I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably has
a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have
long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks worth
in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with
different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to own
is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's not
clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to
separate the BS from BS.

I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential for
losing portlights in bad conditions.

wrote in message
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On 9 Oct, 18:53, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

...

On Oct 9, 1:47 am, Ringmaster wrote:
Corbin ................................ LOL.................

Seems to me the boat desired, needed, required, etc. depends on the use to
which it will be put. RB agrees, I think, since he changes boats every
few
years, and we know he can afford any boat his heart desires.

Crab crushers have their uses and in some roles are the very best boat for
the task at hand.

Can we not discuss the pros and cons of a particular boat, its uses etc.
without the "my boat is superior to yours?" Frankly, I would like
insights
into the relative merits of boats for particular uses. If more people
here
would dispassionately discuss boats, I would find this newsgroup more
useful
and interesting.

I know RB, Marty, Oz, Doug, Ringmaster, JG and others have enough
knowledge
to discuss boats intelligently. It is a shame there isn't more of it.

Actually, none of us can offer advice outside of our experience. RB
sails
within a mile of his marina with a "family" crew. Oz, as far as I
can see,
races single class boats. Doug, seems to be a racer of "20
something"
foot yachts. Likewise, Ringmaster races a particular boat.

JG, probably has as much general expereince as any of
us.

My experience is mainly based on a single boat. Fortunately,
I seem to have made the right choice. All of us will
give advice that we think will help *you* to make the
right choice. Unfortunately, my "right choice" may not
be your "right choice".

As I see it, you have two choices.
1) Go for your ultimate boat!
2) Buy something "safe" so that you can learn
about your real requirements.

My advice is to take choice 2).

However, when I bought my boat I took option
1). It worked for me.


I think that it all depends on how confident you
feel about your ability to define your own ultimate
yacht.



Regards


Donal
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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:10:50 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably has
a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have
long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks worth
in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with
different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to own
is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's not
clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to
separate the BS from BS.

I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential for
losing portlights in bad conditions.


The Corbin, while a pilot house, doesn't really suffer from excess
windage as badly as the typical pilot house configuration. The
topsides are a little tall, but other than the small pilot house, the
rest of the boat is a flush deck. The pilot house is pretty much the
only thing that sticks up higher than the gunwhales. It's also got a
reputation as being a very tough boat. People cruise the high
latitudes with them.

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:10:50 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably
has
a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have
long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks
worth
in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with
different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to
own
is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's
not
clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to
separate the BS from BS.

I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential
for
losing portlights in bad conditions.


The Corbin, while a pilot house, doesn't really suffer from excess
windage as badly as the typical pilot house configuration. The
topsides are a little tall, but other than the small pilot house, the
rest of the boat is a flush deck. The pilot house is pretty much the
only thing that sticks up higher than the gunwhales. It's also got a
reputation as being a very tough boat. People cruise the high
latitudes with them.



Sounds like it's totally inappropriate for BS' day cruises.


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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:06:26 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:10:50 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably
has
a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have
long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks
worth
in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with
different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to
own
is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's
not
clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to
separate the BS from BS.

I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential
for
losing portlights in bad conditions.


The Corbin, while a pilot house, doesn't really suffer from excess
windage as badly as the typical pilot house configuration. The
topsides are a little tall, but other than the small pilot house, the
rest of the boat is a flush deck. The pilot house is pretty much the
only thing that sticks up higher than the gunwhales. It's also got a
reputation as being a very tough boat. People cruise the high
latitudes with them.



Sounds like it's totally inappropriate for BS' day cruises.

It really isn't meant as a daysailer at all. It would be quite a
handful to single hand, as well. What it was designed for, it does
very well. I can easily understand someone being attracted to it,
because it is a very nice and capable boat. I don't think Bob is going
to get one. I think he was just daydreaming out loud. He isn't really
going to have a use for a boat like that until Thomas is out on his
own. It's for crossing oceans, not sailing back and forth to Newport
once a year, and day trips the rest of the time.

On Oct 9, 7:11 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:06:26 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:



wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:10:50 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably
has
a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have
long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks
worth
in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with
different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to
own
is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's
not
clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to
separate the BS from BS.

I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential
for
losing portlights in bad conditions.

The Corbin, while a pilot house, doesn't really suffer from excess
windage as badly as the typical pilot house configuration. The
topsides are a little tall, but other than the small pilot house, the
rest of the boat is a flush deck. The pilot house is pretty much the
only thing that sticks up higher than the gunwhales. It's also got a
reputation as being a very tough boat. People cruise the high
latitudes with them.

Sounds like it's totally inappropriate for BS' day cruises.

It really isn't meant as a daysailer at all. It would be quite a
handful to single hand, as well. What it was designed for, it does
very well. I can easily understand someone being attracted to it,
because it is a very nice and capable boat. I don't think Bob is going
to get one. I think he was just daydreaming out loud. He isn't really
going to have a use for a boat like that until Thomas is out on his
own. It's for crossing oceans, not sailing back and forth to Newport
once a year, and day trips the rest of the time.




Well, yes I WAS daydreaming to an extent. On the other hand few of use
our boats to anywhere near their potential. I mostly daysail my big
Beneteau and could easily be doing the same gig on a J27. On the other
hand I love my boat, and in fact just about ALL sailboats. A sailboat
is not only defined by how you use it. You can appreciate it on it's
own and enjoy it on many other levels. We had a fellow with an older
Valiant here for a while. He did not cruise any distances, just up and
down the sound. He waited for windy days to go for occasional day
sails. At other times he sat on his boat and worked on it and simply
loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have
enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of
their labor.
With that in mind my next boat will NOT be a the most practical
choice. I may choose a sea-boat like the Corbin because I find the
look and feel salty and charming. The extended sailing season and days
in the rain are also appealing via the pilothouse. Only a racer need
truly be concerned with making a "specific" pick. The coastal and
protected waters sailor can choose a boat on shear romance.
The Corbin IS high on my list.


RB

Capt. Rob wrote:


loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have
enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of
their labor.



Well, that's about the best laugh I've had in a week!!!!

Thanks so much Bob, you crack me up.

Cheers
Martin

On Oct 9, 8:10 pm, Marty wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have
enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of
their labor.

Well, that's about the best laugh I've had in a week!!!!

Thanks so much Bob, you crack me up.

Cheers
Martin




Martin, you really can't act like an adult, even for a moment, can
you?



RB

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:50:44 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob"
wrote:

On Oct 9, 7:11 pm, wrote:


It really isn't meant as a daysailer at all. It would be quite a
handful to single hand, as well. What it was designed for, it does
very well. I can easily understand someone being attracted to it,
because it is a very nice and capable boat. I don't think Bob is going
to get one. I think he was just daydreaming out loud. He isn't really
going to have a use for a boat like that until Thomas is out on his
own. It's for crossing oceans, not sailing back and forth to Newport
once a year, and day trips the rest of the time.




Well, yes I WAS daydreaming to an extent. On the other hand few of use
our boats to anywhere near their potential. I mostly daysail my big
Beneteau and could easily be doing the same gig on a J27. On the other
hand I love my boat, and in fact just about ALL sailboats. A sailboat
is not only defined by how you use it. You can appreciate it on it's
own and enjoy it on many other levels. We had a fellow with an older
Valiant here for a while. He did not cruise any distances, just up and
down the sound. He waited for windy days to go for occasional day
sails. At other times he sat on his boat and worked on it and simply
loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have
enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of
their labor.
With that in mind my next boat will NOT be a the most practical
choice. I may choose a sea-boat like the Corbin because I find the
look and feel salty and charming. The extended sailing season and days
in the rain are also appealing via the pilothouse. Only a racer need
truly be concerned with making a "specific" pick. The coastal and
protected waters sailor can choose a boat on shear romance.
The Corbin IS high on my list.


RB


Uh, Bob. Your Beneteau is really not a "big" boat at all. In fact,
it's really what most would call a small 35. There are other 35's that
are subtantially bigger. The Corbin, by contrast is a very large 39.

Will you also being trading in your "big" EVO for a tri-axle dump
truck? LOL

Uh, Bob. Your Beneteau is really not a "big" boat at all. In fact,
it's really what most would call a small 35. There are other 35's that
are subtantially bigger. The Corbin, by contrast is a very large 39



35 foot is big for DAYAILING, which was the point of the comment. Read
it again. And on the LIS sound, sailboats average 30 feet, which is
ideal.
The Corbin is certainly not large below decks unless you buy the aft
cabin version and even that is nowhere near a Catalina or Beneteau
sized interior.


RB

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:50:44 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob"
wrote:

On Oct 9, 7:11 pm, wrote:


It really isn't meant as a daysailer at all. It would be quite a
handful to single hand, as well. What it was designed for, it does
very well. I can easily understand someone being attracted to it,
because it is a very nice and capable boat. I don't think Bob is going
to get one. I think he was just daydreaming out loud. He isn't really
going to have a use for a boat like that until Thomas is out on his
own. It's for crossing oceans, not sailing back and forth to Newport
once a year, and day trips the rest of the time.




Well, yes I WAS daydreaming to an extent. On the other hand few of use
our boats to anywhere near their potential. I mostly daysail my big
Beneteau and could easily be doing the same gig on a J27. On the other
hand I love my boat, and in fact just about ALL sailboats. A sailboat
is not only defined by how you use it. You can appreciate it on it's
own and enjoy it on many other levels. We had a fellow with an older
Valiant here for a while. He did not cruise any distances, just up and
down the sound. He waited for windy days to go for occasional day
sails. At other times he sat on his boat and worked on it and simply
loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have
enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of
their labor.
With that in mind my next boat will NOT be a the most practical
choice. I may choose a sea-boat like the Corbin because I find the
look and feel salty and charming. The extended sailing season and days
in the rain are also appealing via the pilothouse. Only a racer need
truly be concerned with making a "specific" pick. The coastal and
protected waters sailor can choose a boat on shear romance.
The Corbin IS high on my list.


RB


Uh, Bob. Your Beneteau is really not a "big" boat at all. In fact,
it's really what most would call a small 35. There are other 35's that
are subtantially bigger. The Corbin, by contrast is a very large 39.

Will you also being trading in your "big" EVO for a tri-axle dump
truck? LOL



Now that's funny.


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