On 9 Sep 2008 18:01:02 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:33:15 -0400, said:

Except the "jobs" are different.

Maybe you can answer the question I put to Jon, Not at All.

Do you swallow that line that handing out money to folks who
don't pay taxes is a "tax cut?"

I haven't heard that line. Who said it? What else did they say that
might affect the context?

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:14:56 -0400, said:

Do you swallow that line that handing out money to folks who
don't pay taxes is a "tax cut?"

I haven't heard that line. Who said it?

That's part of your boy Obama's "economic plan."


Sounds a bit racist... boy Obama? Perhaps it's a pig by another name. LOL

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:34:41 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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Sounds a bit racist.

Jon boy, to Dems, Mary Had a Little Lamb no doubt sounds racist.


Like Lipstick on a pig? Oh wait, that would be sexist for Republicans! LOL

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:14:56 -0400, said:

Do you swallow that line that handing out money to folks who
don't pay taxes is a "tax cut?"

I haven't heard that line. Who said it? What else did they say that
might affect the context?

The Obama folks would never say they want to hand out money to people who
don't pay taxes, silly. You have to think about what they're saying rather
than slavishly accepting their rhetoric. They call the money they're
handing
out a "refundable tax credit," apparently figuring that folks like you and
Jon won't look at the substance of what they're offering. Never mind the
man
behind the curtain.


I agree! They would never say that! And, I agree you have to think about
what they and the Bushies, I mean, McCain/Palin is actually saying rather
than the rhetoric. Like "I told them thanks, but no thanks" (wanted but then
didn't and kept the money anyway). Or, here are a few more...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG7Xp2XnvlQ

But, the real question is... who is John McCain?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH32x...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/v/-CazKanlYDg&hl=en&fs=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSlAJ...eature=related

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On 10 Sep 2008 15:03:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:02:01 -0400, said:

Do you swallow that line that handing out money to folks who
don't pay taxes is a "tax cut?"

I haven't heard that line. Who said it? What else did they say that
might affect the context?

The Obama folks would never say they want to hand out money to people who
don't pay taxes, silly.


So, you admit you are just making **** up. Okay.

Nope. I'm telling it like it is.

No. "Like it is" would be providing a cite to back up your specious
claim. You are telling it "like you imagine in your fantasies". Obama
never said what you claim he said. You are, in fact, just making ****
up. You got caught.

On 10 Sep 2008 19:22:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:02:28 -0400, said:

No. "Like it is" would be providing a cite to back up your specious
claim. You are telling it "like you imagine in your fantasies". Obama
never said what you claim he said. You are, in fact, just making ****
up. You got caught.

So you claim his plan does not call for giving "refundable tax credits" to
people who don't pay taxes?

I haven't claimed anything. You have. And it's obviously you were
making it up, since you can't point to a reliable source where Obama
said what you claimed. Put the shovel down, Dave.

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On 10 Sep 2008 19:22:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:02:28 -0400, said:

No. "Like it is" would be providing a cite to back up your specious
claim. You are telling it "like you imagine in your fantasies". Obama
never said what you claim he said. You are, in fact, just making ****
up. You got caught.

So you claim his plan does not call for giving "refundable tax credits" to
people who don't pay taxes?

I haven't claimed anything. You have. And it's obviously you were
making it up, since you can't point to a reliable source where Obama
said what you claimed. Put the shovel down, Dave.



Hey, he likes to dig.... it's almost entertaining.

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On 11 Sep 2008 09:54:02 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:26:19 -0400, said:

I haven't claimed anything. You have. And it's obviously you were
making it up, since you can't point to a reliable source where Obama
said what you claimed.
What I've said is that Obama's plan includes handing out money to people who
pay no taxes, calling those handouts "refundable tax credits" and trying to
take credit for them as tax reductions. Them's the facts. You dispute them?

There's nothing to dispute until you provide a cite that suppotrst
what you claimed. Until you can do that, you are making stuff up.

It is clearly stated on the Obama web site, and any site that fairly
describes the plans, and anyone who has considered even briefly the
competing tax proposals would appreciate this feature. The one aspect
that hasn't been mentioned is that you have to actually work to get the
credit, so it isn't quite a "welfare payment" as a "negative tax" on low
income workers.