"Dave" wrote:

He was certainly a bit slow in admitting what most people have known for
some time.

O'Reilly asked him repeatedly, and I never heard him admit he made a
mistake. Maybe I need to get the transcript, but I was intensly listening
for those exact words, "I made a mistake" or "I was wrong in voting against
the surge", but I didn't hear anything that was close to ADMITTING what most
people have known for some time.

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On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:24:16 -0500, "Rizzo" said:

I didn't hear anything that was close to ADMITTING what most
people have known for some time.

Can't give you the exact quote, but it was something like "the surge has
succeeded beyond my wildest expectations." Anyone who has been following
his
pronouncements should immediately recognize that as a 180 about face from
his earlier predictions that the surge would never work, and his later
"well, the Sunnis and the Shias still haven't started sitting down
together
and singing cumbya."


Here are some more 180s for you...

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/325.html

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On 5 Sep 2008 10:57:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:24:16 -0500, "Rizzo" said:

I didn't hear anything that was close to ADMITTING what most
people have known for some time.

Can't give you the exact quote, but it was something like "the surge has
succeeded beyond my wildest expectations." Anyone who has been following his
pronouncements should immediately recognize that as a 180 about face from
his earlier predictions that the surge would never work, and his later
"well, the Sunnis and the Shias still haven't started sitting down together
and singing cumbya."

As a lawyer, you should realize that if the surge suceeded in even
some very minor way, it would have succeed beyond Obamas wildest
expectations.

Actually, I disagree with Obama on this anyway. The surge quelled
violence that we instigated, but did not accomplish the stated
mission. So it did "something", but it didn't do what it set out to
do. I don't call that success, regardless of who wants to say,
"Mission Accomplished".

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On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:18:14 -0400, said:

As a lawyer, you should realize that if the surge suceeded in even
some very minor way, it would have succeed beyond Obamas wildest
expectations.

Yes. He was not just wrong. He was really really wrong.

Of course the hilarious part is that he also denies that his current
position is inconsistent with his earlier one.


Amazingly I agree with you. He's really wrong right now. The surge didn't
work. The terrorists just moved after we paid off the locals.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...24/ldt.01.html

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On 6 Sep 2008 12:41:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:18:14 -0400, said:

As a lawyer, you should realize that if the surge suceeded in even
some very minor way, it would have succeed beyond Obamas wildest
expectations.

Yes. He was not just wrong. He was really really wrong.


No, he was really correct. The surge did not solve the problem it was
intended to solve. All it did was get us back to the level of violence
that existed before the U.S. actions escalated it. Sort of like the
Auto Glass repairman who goes around breaking windshields at night to
drum up business, or the volunteer fireman who torches buildings so he
can then pretend to be a hero.


Oh, yeah... this was all done using our children as cheap cannon
fodder.

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On 6 Sep 2008 12:41:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:18:14 -0400, said:

As a lawyer, you should realize that if the surge suceeded in even
some very minor way, it would have succeed beyond Obamas wildest
expectations.

Yes. He was not just wrong. He was really really wrong.


No, he was really correct. The surge did not solve the problem it was
intended to solve. All it did was get us back to the level of violence
that existed before the U.S. actions escalated it. Sort of like the
Auto Glass repairman who goes around breaking windshields at night to
drum up business, or the volunteer fireman who torches buildings so he
can then pretend to be a hero.


Oh, yeah... this was all done using our children as cheap cannon
fodder.



Expensive cannon fodder...


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On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:18:50 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

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On 6 Sep 2008 12:41:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:18:14 -0400, said:

As a lawyer, you should realize that if the surge suceeded in even
some very minor way, it would have succeed beyond Obamas wildest
expectations.

Yes. He was not just wrong. He was really really wrong.


No, he was really correct. The surge did not solve the problem it was
intended to solve. All it did was get us back to the level of violence
that existed before the U.S. actions escalated it. Sort of like the
Auto Glass repairman who goes around breaking windshields at night to
drum up business, or the volunteer fireman who torches buildings so he
can then pretend to be a hero.


Oh, yeah... this was all done using our children as cheap cannon
fodder.



Expensive cannon fodder...

Bush apparently disagrees with you. He treats them as cheap.

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On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:18:50 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

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On 6 Sep 2008 12:41:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:18:14 -0400, said:

As a lawyer, you should realize that if the surge suceeded in even
some very minor way, it would have succeed beyond Obamas wildest
expectations.

Yes. He was not just wrong. He was really really wrong.


No, he was really correct. The surge did not solve the problem it was
intended to solve. All it did was get us back to the level of violence
that existed before the U.S. actions escalated it. Sort of like the
Auto Glass repairman who goes around breaking windshields at night to
drum up business, or the volunteer fireman who torches buildings so he
can then pretend to be a hero.


Oh, yeah... this was all done using our children as cheap cannon
fodder.



Expensive cannon fodder...

Bush apparently disagrees with you. He treats them as cheap.

Sad but true. I was frankly shocked when McCain failed to support the vet
bill to give them the benefits they deserve. His claim that this will lower
retention seems to me to be insulting to the people in harm's way. I guess
he thinks the bullets are softer for the first three years.

Did you catch the RNC spectacle? I enjoyed how the crowd attempted to drown
out the people who were protesting on the floor.

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