Dave wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:18:46 -0400, Marty said:

Dave, can you explain to me how it is, that in america, one can earn
$30,000, spend it all and yet pay no taxes? Are there special lines at
the supermarket market marked "no sales tax at this register"?

In many places, food is not subject to sales tax. Nor clothing to one degree
or another.

To "one degree or another"? So they pay taxes on some things, yes?
Gasoline, televisions, kitchen tables, blankets...... ? If they pay
*any* taxes, on anything, it negates your allegation. As an attorney I'm
sure you are familiar with the concept that if you disprove one part of
a witness's statement, everything else from him is suspect.

Do their
landlords get a special dispensation and not have to pay property taxes
on the places they rent, or on their rental income?

In New York, at least, yes. In fact the gummint is probably providing
housing to them at well below market rents.

"Probably"? You making this stuff up as you go? So if I tell the state
government that I'm renting to low income folks, I get my property taxes
waived? And of course I'll pass that saving on. No wonder I hear so
many complaints about NY state having some of the highest property taxes
in the country.

Do manufactures
have special plants that pay no taxes because the make goods for those
who earn less than 30K?

Generally, we do not regard income taxes paid by a manufacturer as a tax
imposed on the purchaser of the goods. We don't have VAT here. You're
playing word games here, Marty.

No, you made the statement "Do you swallow that line that handing out
money to folks who don't pay taxes is a "tax cut?" I'm merely pointing
out that the old adage about death and taxes is correct. You seem to
think that not paying any Federal income tax is paying *no* taxes, I
assert not.


If you look at the whole picture, those at the bottom pay a greater
percentage than those at the top.

A highly doubtful proposition, particularly if you net all the transfer
payments they receive against taxes paid.

I think that your country is much like mine; if you make enough to have
disposable income, then there are many ways to invest that excess and
get nice tax deductions and credits. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that
I fall into the category that can take advantage of such opportunities,
but I do recognize the basic unfairness of such a system.

"Capitalism, that quaint concept that really nasty men will do the right
thing", can't remember who said it.

Cheers
Marty

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On 10 Sep 2008 11:47:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:27:01 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Still waiting for your answer:

Do you dispute the unemployment numbers, the growing mortgage crisis, the
huge deficit that's getting worse?

Asked and answered.

Why not put this stupidity to bed and restate your answer so we can
move on?



Good question. I answered his question in a straightforward fashion.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:27:38 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Do you swallow that line that handing out money to folks who
don't pay taxes is a "tax cut?"


I've already answered... still waiting for yours.

You mean by saying you didn't think it was a fair question? LOL.


I said that it's not a legitimate question that you asked in this case, and
I answered your other one with "absolutely not."

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:14:56 -0400, said:

Do you swallow that line that handing out money to folks who
don't pay taxes is a "tax cut?"

I haven't heard that line. Who said it?

That's part of your boy Obama's "economic plan."


Sounds a bit racist... boy Obama? Perhaps it's a pig by another name. LOL

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:33:55 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

You mean by saying you didn't think it was a fair question? LOL.


I said that it's not a legitimate question

My apologies for misquoting you.


Heh...

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:34:41 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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Sounds a bit racist.

Jon boy, to Dems, Mary Had a Little Lamb no doubt sounds racist.


Like Lipstick on a pig? Oh wait, that would be sexist for Republicans! LOL

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:14:56 -0400, said:

Do you swallow that line that handing out money to folks who
don't pay taxes is a "tax cut?"

I haven't heard that line. Who said it? What else did they say that
might affect the context?

The Obama folks would never say they want to hand out money to people who
don't pay taxes, silly. You have to think about what they're saying rather
than slavishly accepting their rhetoric. They call the money they're
handing
out a "refundable tax credit," apparently figuring that folks like you and
Jon won't look at the substance of what they're offering. Never mind the
man
behind the curtain.


I agree! They would never say that! And, I agree you have to think about
what they and the Bushies, I mean, McCain/Palin is actually saying rather
than the rhetoric. Like "I told them thanks, but no thanks" (wanted but then
didn't and kept the money anyway). Or, here are a few more...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG7Xp2XnvlQ

But, the real question is... who is John McCain?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH32x...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/v/-CazKanlYDg&hl=en&fs=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSlAJ...eature=related

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On 10 Sep 2008 15:03:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:02:01 -0400, said:

Do you swallow that line that handing out money to folks who
don't pay taxes is a "tax cut?"

I haven't heard that line. Who said it? What else did they say that
might affect the context?

The Obama folks would never say they want to hand out money to people who
don't pay taxes, silly.


So, you admit you are just making **** up. Okay.

Nope. I'm telling it like it is.

No. "Like it is" would be providing a cite to back up your specious
claim. You are telling it "like you imagine in your fantasies". Obama
never said what you claim he said. You are, in fact, just making ****
up. You got caught.

On 10 Sep 2008 19:22:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:02:28 -0400, said:

No. "Like it is" would be providing a cite to back up your specious
claim. You are telling it "like you imagine in your fantasies". Obama
never said what you claim he said. You are, in fact, just making ****
up. You got caught.

So you claim his plan does not call for giving "refundable tax credits" to
people who don't pay taxes?

I haven't claimed anything. You have. And it's obviously you were
making it up, since you can't point to a reliable source where Obama
said what you claimed. Put the shovel down, Dave.

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On 10 Sep 2008 19:22:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:02:28 -0400, said:

No. "Like it is" would be providing a cite to back up your specious
claim. You are telling it "like you imagine in your fantasies". Obama
never said what you claim he said. You are, in fact, just making ****
up. You got caught.

So you claim his plan does not call for giving "refundable tax credits" to
people who don't pay taxes?

I haven't claimed anything. You have. And it's obviously you were
making it up, since you can't point to a reliable source where Obama
said what you claimed. Put the shovel down, Dave.



Hey, he likes to dig.... it's almost entertaining.

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