Lessons to be learned from the wreck of the 'RED CLOUD'
 

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:33:10 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob"
wrote:

On Apr 11, 9:34?am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:13:14 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote:

Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
And, short lobsters are all right if you dig the hole yourself and go
out to the island on an actual lobster boat with a tub of bait in the
cockpit :-)
Shorts and scrambled eggs, breakfast of Champions!

Cheers
Marty

Goodness, and here I thought that all RBC folks were law abiding good
guys. I mention "short lobsters" and it seems like everybody knows
what I'm talking about. Next thing I'm going to mention "jack
lighting" to see if there are any deer hunters in the crowd.

Had friends on Grand Manan Island when I was young. "Honest Officer,
those little fellers was killed by the big lads in the pots, once we had
em in the boat it seemed like it'd just be polluting to throw them back..."

No deer there, but the island I currently live on has plenty, and a
number of people with apparently impaired night vision; why else would
they have those giant lights on the cab roof?

Cheers
Marty- Hide quoted text -

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Knew this was a lie when I read "Had friends..."



The Good Captain
35s5
NY

In the some sixty years that I've been messing around in boats I have
never heard a professional seaman refer to himself as "the good
captain" so I assume that you are some sort of ignoramus that knows
nothing and rates right along side such other sterling examples of
stupidity as the Good Captain Neil and Wilbur (the guy that can't
spell his name correctly) for competency.

So, good but good captain and into the hopper you go.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)

'Captain' (was) Lessons to be learned from the wreck of the 'RED CLOUD'
 

In article ,
Bruce in Bangkok wrote:


In the some sixty years that I've been messing around in boats I have
never heard a professional seaman refer to himself as "the good
captain" so I assume that you are some sort of ignoramus that knows
nothing and rates right along side such other sterling examples of
stupidity as the Good Captain Neil and Wilbur (the guy that can't
spell his name correctly) for competency.

I sailed into harbor in W Fla for the night and was addressed as
'Captain' by the dockie. I was single-handing but I still squirm with
embarrassment as I don't consider myself to be experienced enough to
earn that title.

And I don't know when/if I'll be comfortable with it either.

However, someone has to be in charge (me).. Hmm, a quandary!

--
Molesworth

'Captain' (was) Lessons to be learned from the wreck of the 'RED CLOUD'
 

"Molesworth" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Bruce in Bangkok wrote:


In the some sixty years that I've been messing around in boats I have
never heard a professional seaman refer to himself as "the good
captain" so I assume that you are some sort of ignoramus that knows
nothing and rates right along side such other sterling examples of
stupidity as the Good Captain Neil and Wilbur (the guy that can't
spell his name correctly) for competency.

I sailed into harbor in W Fla for the night and was addressed as
'Captain' by the dockie. I was single-handing but I still squirm with
embarrassment as I don't consider myself to be experienced enough to
earn that title.

And I don't know when/if I'll be comfortable with it either.

However, someone has to be in charge (me).. Hmm, a quandary!

--
Molesworth


Very accurate assessment of them both. In a couple of VHF communications
with the CG, one time they called me captain, but all the rest called me
skipper. I felt a little odd answering to the former. The LT in charge of
the Mexican Navy used the term capeetan, which I assumed was the same thing.
LOL


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

'Captain' (was) Lessons to be learned from the wreck of the 'RED CLOUD'
 

"Molesworth" wrote in message
...
I sailed into harbor in W Fla for the night and was addressed as
'Captain' by the dockie. I was single-handing but I still squirm with
embarrassment as I don't consider myself to be experienced enough to
earn that title.

And I don't know when/if I'll be comfortable with it either.

However, someone has to be in charge (me).. Hmm, a quandary!

No quandary really.
You were undoubtedly the 'Skipper' of your vessel.
The word 'Captain' is greatly misused especially on this ng and you
certainly cannot be a captain if you do not have a crew..

'Captain' (was) Lessons to be learned from the wreck of the 'RED CLOUD'
 

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:40:41 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote this crap:

Very accurate assessment of them both. In a couple of VHF communications
with the CG, one time they called me captain, but all the rest called me
skipper. I felt a little odd answering to the former. The LT in charge of
the Mexican Navy used the term capeetan, which I assumed was the same thing.
LOL


Oooh! wow! They called you, "captain," over the radio. I'm so
unimpressed. They called me, "Captain Horvath," in the army, and many
brave men saluted me. I was a real captain.

I was known throughout the land as, "Captain Horvath, Defender of
Freedom."

And I have the paperwork to prove it.




I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

Lessons to be learned from the wreck of the 'RED CLOUD'
 

OzOne wrote:
I'd suggest you look back thru the archives.
I some misgivings regarding the actions leading to the loss of Red
Cloud.

I bet Joe did too. However he was under a lot of time pressure to
complete the voyage.

To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld: "You can't go to sea with the boat you
*wish* you had, you can only go to sea with the boat you do have."

It appeared to me as it has to Neal and others that there were some
serious omissions and dubious decisions prior to and during the
voyage.


"Neal" is constantly crying doom, and insisting that everybody else is
an ignorant incompetent etc etc.... just because Joe lost Red Cloud
doesn't even make him right once... it seems to me that taking a look
at "Neal"s success record would be a better way of evaluating his
"expertise."

DSK

Lessons to be learned from the wreck of the 'RED CLOUD'
 

Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
Goodness, and here I thought that all RBC folks were law abiding good
guys. I mention "short lobsters" and it seems like everybody knows
what I'm talking about. Next thing I'm going to mention "jack
lighting" to see if there are any deer hunters in the crowd.


No, absolutely not. Never.
Although I did have a car with one headlight bent upward a little,
years ago... somehow passed the state inspection anyway ;)

DSK

'Captain' (was) Lessons to be learned from the wreck of the 'RED CLOUD'
 

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:28:41 -0500, Molesworth
wrote:

In article ,
Bruce in Bangkok wrote:


In the some sixty years that I've been messing around in boats I have
never heard a professional seaman refer to himself as "the good
captain" so I assume that you are some sort of ignoramus that knows
nothing and rates right along side such other sterling examples of
stupidity as the Good Captain Neil and Wilbur (the guy that can't
spell his name correctly) for competency.

I sailed into harbor in W Fla for the night and was addressed as
'Captain' by the dockie. I was single-handing but I still squirm with
embarrassment as I don't consider myself to be experienced enough to
earn that title.

And I don't know when/if I'll be comfortable with it either.

However, someone has to be in charge (me).. Hmm, a quandary!

It is common courtesy to address the master of a vessel as "Captain"
but one does not introduce one's self as Captain unless one is a
serving military officer in which case it is proper to announce one's
rank, primarily so that others know how to address you.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)

Lessons to be learned from the wreck of the 'RED CLOUD'
 

On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:34:03 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
Goodness, and here I thought that all RBC folks were law abiding good
guys. I mention "short lobsters" and it seems like everybody knows
what I'm talking about. Next thing I'm going to mention "jack
lighting" to see if there are any deer hunters in the crowd.


No, absolutely not. Never.
Although I did have a car with one headlight bent upward a little,
years ago... somehow passed the state inspection anyway ;)

DSK
Next you'll be telling me about how the kid taped that stupid 5 cell
flashlight under the barrel on the 30-30 so he could shoot rats after
dark...... Right!


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)

'Captain' (was) Lessons to be learned from the wreck of the 'REDCLOUD'
 

Bloody Horvath wrote:
.... They called me, "Captain Horvath," in the army, and many
brave men saluted me. I was a real captain.


You may have been a real Captain, but still outranked by a Navy
Lieutenant.

If I were to claim a title, I'd be just as happy to be the senior
petty officer on board. That leaves no doubt as to who is really in
charge in any emergency, yet I can still loaf most of the time.

former BT1(SW) Doug King