Canada's first ever hydrogen fuel cell sailboat has been unveiled to
the world, a completely green sailing machine that completed its first
successful voyage late this summer.


The prototype's creator, Jim Harrington, equipped the sailboat with a
300-watt Horizon fuel cell system with the hydrogen supplied by NRC in
Vancouver and the only by-products of the operating fuel cell being
heat and water.


"This is history being made. It is that significant," commented
Harrington.


Noting that Canadians are on the brink of a hydrogen revolution,
Harrington said, "Every so often in history, there's a convergence of
where technology and the supply of parts necessary to start a new age
occurs."


Harrington's early calculations suggested the sailboat could reach 6
knots under fuel cell power, but his tests revealed a top speed of
just 1.5 knots. Future tests will incorporate larger fuel cells.


Harrington is working with iGreen Technologies to develop more fuel
cell technology products and it is thought that one of their plans is
to put together fuel cell kits priced at $4,500.

Joe wrote in news:1190122674.465569.282800
@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

Harrington's early calculations suggested the sailboat could reach 6
knots under fuel cell power, but his tests revealed a top speed of
just 1.5 knots. Future tests will incorporate larger fuel cells.




Just like cars....there's no place to STORE super-high-pressure hydrogen
gas bottles that weigh too much, is there? If you took out the diesel
fuel tank from your sailboat, the little one that runs the diesel, and
replaced it with hydrogen cylinders, how far would it travel on gas
stored in the same space? Will it go 20 miles? at 1.5 knots that's over
13 hours. Will it produce full power for 13 hours on cylinders that take
the same space as the diesel tank in a sailboat?

No, it won't, and never will, no matter how greenie feeley good it is.

Then there's this other problem:
http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/n...92h2future.asp
"At $4/gallon for gasoline, hydrogen’s break-even cost is $8/kg."
"Renewably produced hydrogen and oxygen would be cost competitive with
gasoline at about $6 per gallon."

http://local.google.com/answers/threadview?id=704915
"The price of hydrogen gas in steel cylinders costs about $100/kg."

At $100/kg, you could run a sailboat 1.5 knots for about the same price
as buying diesel for a SHIP! The ship has bigger heads and lot more
creature comforts.

Can you say "crazy" without laughing?


Larry
--
Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
The ultimate dirty bomb......

"Larry" wrote in message
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Joe wrote in
news:1190122674.465569.282800

At $100/kg, you could run a sailboat 1.5 knots for about
the same price
as buying diesel for a SHIP!

put your sails up and you can do 5kts all day for FREE!

Scotty

Scotty wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message
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Joe wrote in

news:1190122674.465569.282800

At $100/kg, you could run a sailboat 1.5 knots for about

the same price

as buying diesel for a SHIP!


put your sails up and you can do 5kts all day for FREE!

Scotty


If there's wind, but I doubt you ever have the lack of on your
boat...toot toot...

"Scotty" wrote in news:n7GdndH-2-
:

put your sails up and you can do 5kts all day for FREE!

Scotty




You, obviously, haven't replaced/repaired sails, rigging, winches, the
tiniest little plastic thingy on the rig, cars, travelers, lines, sheets,
sail winding equipment or sailboat steering equipment......etc., etc., ad
nauseum.

Sailing is NEVER "free"! Just ask a sailor coming out of Waste Marine!

Larry
--
"How much did your cruise cost you?"
"About $5400 if you include the torn sails and broken rigging. But, we
only used 12 gallons of diesel fuel!"

Larry wrote:


Just like cars....there's no place to STORE super-high-pressure hydrogen
gas bottles that weigh too much, is there? If you took out the diesel
fuel tank from your sailboat, the little one that runs the diesel, and
replaced it with hydrogen cylinders, how far would it travel on gas
stored in the same space? Will it go 20 miles? at 1.5 knots that's over
13 hours. Will it produce full power for 13 hours on cylinders that take
the same space as the diesel tank in a sailboat?

No, it won't, and never will, no matter how greenie feeley good it is.

Then there's this other problem:
http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/n...92h2future.asp
"At $4/gallon for gasoline, hydrogen’s break-even cost is $8/kg."
"Renewably produced hydrogen and oxygen would be cost competitive with
gasoline at about $6 per gallon."

http://local.google.com/answers/threadview?id=704915
"The price of hydrogen gas in steel cylinders costs about $100/kg."

At $100/kg, you could run a sailboat 1.5 knots for about the same price
as buying diesel for a SHIP! The ship has bigger heads and lot more
creature comforts.

Can you say "crazy" without laughing?


Larry


No - it was jut to get attention of the news media.

15 minutes of fame sysdrome.

Richard

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:38:43 +0000, Larry wrote:

Joe wrote in news:1190122674.465569.282800
:

Harrington's early calculations suggested the sailboat could reach 6
knots under fuel cell power, but his tests revealed a top speed of
just 1.5 knots. Future tests will incorporate larger fuel cells.




Just like cars....there's no place to STORE super-high-pressure hydrogen
gas bottles that weigh too much, is there? If you took out the diesel
fuel tank from your sailboat, the little one that runs the diesel, and
replaced it with hydrogen cylinders, how far would it travel on gas
stored in the same space? Will it go 20 miles? at 1.5 knots that's over
13 hours. Will it produce full power for 13 hours on cylinders that take
the same space as the diesel tank in a sailboat?

No, it won't, and never will, no matter how greenie feeley good it is.

Then there's this other problem:
http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/n...92h2future.asp
"At $4/gallon for gasoline, hydrogen’s break-even cost is $8/kg."
"Renewably produced hydrogen and oxygen would be cost competitive with
gasoline at about $6 per gallon."

http://local.google.com/answers/threadview?id=704915
"The price of hydrogen gas in steel cylinders costs about $100/kg."

At $100/kg, you could run a sailboat 1.5 knots for about the same price
as buying diesel for a SHIP! The ship has bigger heads and lot more
creature comforts.

Can you say "crazy" without laughing?


Larry


If I remember, Mercedes actually built a hydrogen powered car some 20
or 30 years ago. From what I read the engine functioned pretty well
but the storage of high pressure hydrogen proved to be an
unsurmountable problem. Apparently hydrogen being the lightest
molecule will leak right through most metal tanks.



Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)

wrote in news:slt0f31p2acitl9s35jdre6d9ab4kd9aco@
4ax.com:

Apparently hydrogen being the lightest
molecule will leak right through most metal tanks.


Hmm...great point, Bruce! I suppose it's the same as the lighest elements
of gasoline leaking right through those cheapassed polyethelene gas tanks
they put in expensive boats...leaving the shellac behind.

Larry
--
Search youtube for:
Ship Engine
How beautiful they are....(c;

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:35:51 +0000, Larry wrote:

Apparently hydrogen being the lightest
molecule will leak right through most metal tanks.


Hmm...great point, Bruce! I suppose it's the same as the lighest elements
of gasoline leaking right through those cheapassed polyethelene gas tanks
they put in expensive boats...leaving the shellac behind.

Bruce was almost right. Hydrogen is the smallest molecule and it
leaks through normal joints like a sieve. Helium being the next
smallest is commonly used for leak testing high vacuum equipment as a
result. With the proper detection apparatus you could leak test with
hydrogen but it has an unfortunate tendency to release energy in a
rather violent kind of way.

Wayne.B wrote in
:

it has an unfortunate tendency to release energy in a
rather violent kind of way.



Especially in the presence of very high energy neutrons....(c;

Larry
--
Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
The ultimate dirty bomb......