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I just got a report from a friend of mine about his
recent TransPac experience. It seems one of the 11 crew contracted a viral flu a few days before starting the trip. 9 of 11 crew were knocked out of action within three days. The DNF'd and returned to California, making better time on the return than the way out. My friend was one of the two who did not get sick. An interesting web page about a similar subject. http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/plagueships.html Liverpool Mercury, Saturday, July 5th, 1913 THE PLAGUE SHIPS The Cholera Imagine the cargo of several hundred, men, women and children cooped up together like herrings, all fearful of destruction among the huge waves, with just a few planks between them and death. Then imagine that the rumour has spread that the vessel is plague stricken, that the dread cholera has broken out on board! During the month of November in the year 1853, 28 emigrant ships sailed to America from European ports carrying, 13,762 passengers. The cholera broke out on all of the 28 ships, 1,141 persons died, 4 to 5000 people were affected by the cholera. Table appearing in the New York Herald, December 1853. [NB the edge of the paper is badly damaged, some parts illegible, ? added as to missing letters, could guess at names but would not like to mislead] L - Length of passage in days P - passengers D - Deaths from cholera FOREST KING, from Liverpool, L- 48, P - 589, D - 39 PRINCE ALBERT, from London, L - 42, P - 378, D - 35 DEVONSHIRE, from London, L - 30, P - 596, D - 27 Wm TAPSCOTT, from Liverpool, L - 35, P - 940, D - 62 CORINTHIAN, from Harve, L - 50, P - 514, D - 44 FORTITUDE, from Harve, L - 40, P - 324, D - 20 CENTURION, from Liverpool, L - 40, P - 392, D - 15 STATESMAN, from Antwerp, L - 37, P - 299, D- 26 ? UNION, from Liverpool, L - 38, P - 620, D - 89 ?OTHENBURG, from Hamburg, L - 37, P - 290, D - 26 DELAWARE, from Bremen, L - 37, P - 236, D - 15 EMMA FIELDS, from Liverpool, L - 35, P - 439, D - 42 ?LHAIN, from Liverpool, L - 29, P - 932, D - 53 ?OWARD, from Antwerp,L - 40, P - 265, D - 7 ANTARCTIC, from Liverpool, L - 34, P - 531, D - 65 ?MPIRE, from Harve, L - 33, P - 723, D - 73 ?INE, from Hamburg, L - 40, P - 205, D - 14 ?DELIA, from Liverpool, L - 31, P - 421, D - 24 ?ORNELIA, from Liverpool, L - 43, P - 466, D - 13 ?LONDA, from London, L - ?, P - 353, D - 33 CONSTELLATION, from Liverpool, L - 33, P - 922, D - 100 ?IBERNIA, from Liverpool, L - 30, P - 380, D - 33 ?LAS GREENMAN, from Liverpool, L - 45, P - 351, D - 27 ?OCHAMBEAN, from Liverpool, L - 38, P - 430, D - 11 Geo HWLBUT, from Harve, L - 36, P - 685, D - 76 NEW WORLD, from Liverpool, L - 34, P - 754, D - 75 ?OWHATAN, from Rotterdam, L - 47, P - 196, D - 13 ?ARATHON, from Liverpool, L - 59, P - 531, D - 64 The biggest mortality was on the Constellation which left Liverpool on the 25th October and reached New York on the 25th November, 34 days, with 922 on board, it was 2days out when cholera made its appearance. There was as many as 80 persons sick at one time, 10 people died in one day. The disease was rendered more virulent by the large number of emigrants lacking in provisions for the voyage, dependent on the weekly rations handed out on the vessel, mortality was therefore excessive amongst the steerage passengers. The crowded state of the vessel was most injurious to the health of the passengers, space allowed per passenger is 14 ft, the constellation had 7 ft less, the passengers confined between decks compelled to breathe the loathsome and fetid atmosphere of the steerage. In the steerage apartment the walls are lined with 2 r ows of bunks placed one above the other, each capable of accommodating, 2/3 people. The berths are like temporary bedsteads made in the roughest style, plain, pine boards. Each passenger finds his own bedding, generally scant and of poor description. Hundreds of people are housed of both sexes and all ages, most confined to their beds during the voyage in an enfeebled state. There are no windows, the only source of light and ventilation being an opening on the deck 4ft by 6ft. The scenes occurring on these plague ships are of the most melancholy character, 3 and 4 children left without parents, whole families swept off, 10 persons have died, 80 lie prostrate, several of these in the convulsive struggle of death. The vapour rising from this loathsome abode affects you with the most sick nausea, yet up to 800 people are breathing its infected atmosphere. Here is a young woman whose child has been committed to the deep in the last agonies of the plague, she has no friends and was on her way to meet her husband in Michigan, anxiously waiting their arrival. We saw his affectionate letter to her enclosing money to pay her expenses and the liveliest satisfaction at the prospect of seeing her after long years of separation. He is one of hundreds who will look in vain for the arrival of friends and relatives. The CONSTELLATON complied with the requirements of the law, the humanity of the Captain and officers was spoken of in the highest terms of praise by the passengers. She appears to be ventilated as well as any ship can be and has never had so much sickness and death on board during the 3 to 4yrs she has been running between Liverpool and America, the sailors alarmed by the sickness refused to sail on any other passenger ships. |
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Bart wrote:
I just got a report from a friend of mine about his recent TransPac experience. It seems one of the 11 crew contracted a viral flu a few days before starting the trip. 9 of 11 crew were knocked out of action within three days. The DNF'd and returned to California, making better time on the return than the way out. My friend was one of the two who did not get sick. An interesting web page about a similar subject. http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/plagueships.html Liverpool Mercury, Saturday, July 5th, 1913 THE PLAGUE SHIPS The Cholera Imagine the cargo of several hundred, men, women and children cooped up together like herrings, all fearful of destruction among the huge waves, with just a few planks between them and death. Then imagine that the rumour has spread that the vessel is plague stricken, that the dread cholera has broken out on board! During the month of November in the year 1853, 28 emigrant ships sailed to America from European ports carrying, 13,762 passengers. The cholera broke out on all of the 28 ships, 1,141 persons died, 4 to 5000 people were affected by the cholera. Table appearing in the New York Herald, December 1853. [NB the edge of the paper is badly damaged, some parts illegible, ? added as to missing letters, could guess at names but would not like to mislead] L - Length of passage in days P - passengers D - Deaths from cholera FOREST KING, from Liverpool, L- 48, P - 589, D - 39 PRINCE ALBERT, from London, L - 42, P - 378, D - 35 DEVONSHIRE, from London, L - 30, P - 596, D - 27 Wm TAPSCOTT, from Liverpool, L - 35, P - 940, D - 62 CORINTHIAN, from Harve, L - 50, P - 514, D - 44 FORTITUDE, from Harve, L - 40, P - 324, D - 20 CENTURION, from Liverpool, L - 40, P - 392, D - 15 STATESMAN, from Antwerp, L - 37, P - 299, D- 26 ? UNION, from Liverpool, L - 38, P - 620, D - 89 ?OTHENBURG, from Hamburg, L - 37, P - 290, D - 26 DELAWARE, from Bremen, L - 37, P - 236, D - 15 EMMA FIELDS, from Liverpool, L - 35, P - 439, D - 42 ?LHAIN, from Liverpool, L - 29, P - 932, D - 53 ?OWARD, from Antwerp,L - 40, P - 265, D - 7 ANTARCTIC, from Liverpool, L - 34, P - 531, D - 65 ?MPIRE, from Harve, L - 33, P - 723, D - 73 ?INE, from Hamburg, L - 40, P - 205, D - 14 ?DELIA, from Liverpool, L - 31, P - 421, D - 24 ?ORNELIA, from Liverpool, L - 43, P - 466, D - 13 ?LONDA, from London, L - ?, P - 353, D - 33 CONSTELLATION, from Liverpool, L - 33, P - 922, D - 100 ?IBERNIA, from Liverpool, L - 30, P - 380, D - 33 ?LAS GREENMAN, from Liverpool, L - 45, P - 351, D - 27 ?OCHAMBEAN, from Liverpool, L - 38, P - 430, D - 11 Geo HWLBUT, from Harve, L - 36, P - 685, D - 76 NEW WORLD, from Liverpool, L - 34, P - 754, D - 75 ?OWHATAN, from Rotterdam, L - 47, P - 196, D - 13 ?ARATHON, from Liverpool, L - 59, P - 531, D - 64 The biggest mortality was on the Constellation which left Liverpool on the 25th October and reached New York on the 25th November, 34 days, with 922 on board, it was 2days out when cholera made its appearance. There was as many as 80 persons sick at one time, 10 people died in one day. The disease was rendered more virulent by the large number of emigrants lacking in provisions for the voyage, dependent on the weekly rations handed out on the vessel, mortality was therefore excessive amongst the steerage passengers. The crowded state of the vessel was most injurious to the health of the passengers, space allowed per passenger is 14 ft, the constellation had 7 ft less, the passengers confined between decks compelled to breathe the loathsome and fetid atmosphere of the steerage. In the steerage apartment the walls are lined with 2 r ows of bunks placed one above the other, each capable of accommodating, 2/3 people. The berths are like temporary bedsteads made in the roughest style, plain, pine boards. Each passenger finds his own bedding, generally scant and of poor description. Hundreds of people are housed of both sexes and all ages, most confined to their beds during the voyage in an enfeebled state. There are no windows, the only source of light and ventilation being an opening on the deck 4ft by 6ft. The scenes occurring on these plague ships are of the most melancholy character, 3 and 4 children left without parents, whole families swept off, 10 persons have died, 80 lie prostrate, several of these in the convulsive struggle of death. The vapour rising from this loathsome abode affects you with the most sick nausea, yet up to 800 people are breathing its infected atmosphere. Here is a young woman whose child has been committed to the deep in the last agonies of the plague, she has no friends and was on her way to meet her husband in Michigan, anxiously waiting their arrival. We saw his affectionate letter to her enclosing money to pay her expenses and the liveliest satisfaction at the prospect of seeing her after long years of separation. He is one of hundreds who will look in vain for the arrival of friends and relatives. The CONSTELLATON complied with the requirements of the law, the humanity of the Captain and officers was spoken of in the highest terms of praise by the passengers. She appears to be ventilated as well as any ship can be and has never had so much sickness and death on board during the 3 to 4yrs she has been running between Liverpool and America, the sailors alarmed by the sickness refused to sail on any other passenger ships. I have a photograph of my triple great and great great grandmother Ann Davitt when they disembarked in New York...they wore every scrap of clothing they owned because they didn't have luggage...fortunately, 3 great grandfather was already in Minnesaota and had saved and sent to Islandeady, Co, Mayo for them....they were lucky and survived...they came over on the Caledonia....much sickness was reproted then, too....whole thing was horrendous...but not nearly as bad as the criminal ships sent to Australia.... |
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"katy" wrote in message ... Bart wrote: I have a photograph of my triple great and great great grandmother Ann Davitt when they disembarked in New York...they wore every scrap of clothing they owned because they didn't have luggage...fortunately, 3 great grandfather was already in Minnesaota and had saved and sent to Islandeady, Co, Mayo for them....they were lucky and survived...they came over on the Caledonia....much sickness was reproted then, too....whole thing was horrendous...but not nearly as bad as the criminal ships sent to Australia.... or the slave ships. |
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"katysails" wrote
I have a photograph of my triple great and great great grandmother Ann Davitt when they disembarked in New York... It's amazing all the photos & records.... wouldn't think they were that organized back then. And who would want their picture taken at one of the lowest points of their lives? I have a bunch of old photos of family but none "upon arrival." Many of my ancestor either came here before photography was invented, or snuck in illegally and didn't want their picture taken. One of my maternal ancestors was a sea captain and is said to have made many undocumented stops to pick up friends & family on the west coast of Ireland. ...fortunately, 3 great grandfather was already in Minnesaota and had saved and sent to Islandeady, Co, Mayo for them....they were lucky and survived... The incidence of plague on ships was one of the things that convinced many doctors in the late 1800s and early 1900s that the germ theory of disease was incorrect. Plenty of "bad air" on ships. "Scotty" wrote: or the slave ships. That was bad.... but hey, at least they didn't have to row! DSK |
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On Sep 13, 9:10 pm, Bart wrote:
I just got a report from a friend of mine about his recent TransPac experience. It seems one of the 11 crew contracted a viral flu a few days before starting the trip. 9 of 11 crew were knocked out of action within three days. The DNF'd and returned to California, making better time on the return than the way out. My friend was one of the two who did not get sick. An interesting web page about a similar subject. http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/plagueships.html Liverpool Mercury, Saturday, July 5th, 1913 THE PLAGUE SHIPS The Cholera Imagine the cargo of several hundred, men, women and children cooped up together like herrings, all fearful of destruction among the huge waves, with just a few planks between them and death. Then imagine that the rumour has spread that the vessel is plague stricken, that the dread cholera has broken out on board! During the month of November in the year 1853, 28 emigrant ships sailed to America from European ports carrying, 13,762 passengers. The cholera broke out on all of the 28 ships, 1,141 persons died, 4 to 5000 people were affected by the cholera. Table appearing in the New York Herald, December 1853. [NB the edge of the paper is badly damaged, some parts illegible, ? added as to missing letters, could guess at names but would not like to mislead] L - Length of passage in days P - passengers D - Deaths from cholera FOREST KING, from Liverpool, L- 48, P - 589, D - 39 PRINCE ALBERT, from London, L - 42, P - 378, D - 35 DEVONSHIRE, from London, L - 30, P - 596, D - 27 Wm TAPSCOTT, from Liverpool, L - 35, P - 940, D - 62 CORINTHIAN, from Harve, L - 50, P - 514, D - 44 FORTITUDE, from Harve, L - 40, P - 324, D - 20 CENTURION, from Liverpool, L - 40, P - 392, D - 15 STATESMAN, from Antwerp, L - 37, P - 299, D- 26 ? UNION, from Liverpool, L - 38, P - 620, D - 89 ?OTHENBURG, from Hamburg, L - 37, P - 290, D - 26 DELAWARE, from Bremen, L - 37, P - 236, D - 15 EMMA FIELDS, from Liverpool, L - 35, P - 439, D - 42 ?LHAIN, from Liverpool, L - 29, P - 932, D - 53 ?OWARD, from Antwerp,L - 40, P - 265, D - 7 ANTARCTIC, from Liverpool, L - 34, P - 531, D - 65 ?MPIRE, from Harve, L - 33, P - 723, D - 73 ?INE, from Hamburg, L - 40, P - 205, D - 14 ?DELIA, from Liverpool, L - 31, P - 421, D - 24 ?ORNELIA, from Liverpool, L - 43, P - 466, D - 13 ?LONDA, from London, L - ?, P - 353, D - 33 CONSTELLATION, from Liverpool, L - 33, P - 922, D - 100 ?IBERNIA, from Liverpool, L - 30, P - 380, D - 33 ?LAS GREENMAN, from Liverpool, L - 45, P - 351, D - 27 ?OCHAMBEAN, from Liverpool, L - 38, P - 430, D - 11 Geo HWLBUT, from Harve, L - 36, P - 685, D - 76 NEW WORLD, from Liverpool, L - 34, P - 754, D - 75 ?OWHATAN, from Rotterdam, L - 47, P - 196, D - 13 ?ARATHON, from Liverpool, L - 59, P - 531, D - 64 The biggest mortality was on the Constellation which left Liverpool on the 25th October and reached New York on the 25th November, 34 days, with 922 on board, it was 2days out when cholera made its appearance. There was as many as 80 persons sick at one time, 10 people died in one day. The disease was rendered more virulent by the large number of emigrants lacking in provisions for the voyage, dependent on the weekly rations handed out on the vessel, mortality was therefore excessive amongst the steerage passengers. The crowded state of the vessel was most injurious to the health of the passengers, space allowed per passenger is 14 ft, the constellation had 7 ft less, the passengers confined between decks compelled to breathe the loathsome and fetid atmosphere of the steerage. In the steerage apartment the walls are lined with 2 r ows of bunks placed one above the other, each capable of accommodating, 2/3 people. The berths are like temporary bedsteads made in the roughest style, plain, pine boards. Each passenger finds his own bedding, generally scant and of poor description. Hundreds of people are housed of both sexes and all ages, most confined to their beds during the voyage in an enfeebled state. There are no windows, the only source of light and ventilation being an opening on the deck 4ft by 6ft. The scenes occurring on these plague ships are of the most melancholy character, 3 and 4 children left without parents, whole families swept off, 10 persons have died, 80 lie prostrate, several of these in the convulsive struggle of death. The vapour rising from this loathsome abode affects you with the most sick nausea, yet up to 800 people are breathing its infected atmosphere. Here is a young woman whose child has been committed to the deep in the last agonies of the plague, she has no friends and was on her way to meet her husband in Michigan, anxiously waiting their arrival. We saw his affectionate letter to her enclosing money to pay her expenses and the liveliest satisfaction at the prospect of seeing her after long years of separation. He is one of hundreds who will look in vain for the arrival of friends and relatives. The CONSTELLATON complied with the requirements of the law, the humanity of the Captain and officers was spoken of in the highest terms of praise by the passengers. She appears to be ventilated as well as any ship can be and has never had so much sickness and death on board during the 3 to 4yrs she has been running between Liverpool and America, the sailors alarmed by the sickness refused to sail on any other passenger ships. I once lived a few slips from a Plaque ship, her name was Sea-Mint. As you may guess she was a cement hull. The owner was walking home from a bar and was hit by a car. He got up dusted himself off, went home and died in his sleep. About two weeks later the boats plaque emerged as 100,000 + cockroaches. It completly covered the boats decks and interior. We tossed many bug bombs below, but still the dock was covered, the dock boxes, cars, water, the creepy *******s were everywhere. Took a week of spraying to get them undercontrol. Man that was gross! Thanks for the memorys Bart. Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message ps.com... ssenger ships. I once lived a few slips from a Plaque ship, her name was Sea-Mint. As you may guess she was a cement hull. The owner was walking home from a bar and was hit by a car. He got up dusted himself off, went home and died in his sleep. About two weeks later the boats plaque emerged as 100,000 + cockroaches. It completly covered the boats decks and interior. We tossed many bug bombs below, but still the dock was covered, the dock boxes, cars, water, the creepy *******s were everywhere. Took a week of spraying to get them undercontrol. Man that was gross! Thanks for the memorys Bart. Joe When I was in the Royal Navy our messroom was infested with the things. You could come in at night and switch on the light and they would all run like hell for cover into all the dark places under the seats. I fixed them permanently by connecting a hose to the low pressure steam main and hosing all those places well and good. Afterwards I swept up heaps of them and they never came back. That is a lot 'greener' way of disposing of them than spraying chemicals to which they can become immune. I still think that they will outlast the human race though. They are survivors. |
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On Sep 14, 1:14 pm, "Edgar" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ps.com... ssenger ships. I once lived a few slips from a Plaque ship, her name was Sea-Mint. As you may guess she was a cement hull. The owner was walking home from a bar and was hit by a car. He got up dusted himself off, went home and died in his sleep. About two weeks later the boats plaque emerged as 100,000 + cockroaches. It completly covered the boats decks and interior. We tossed many bug bombs below, but still the dock was covered, the dock boxes, cars, water, the creepy *******s were everywhere. Took a week of spraying to get them undercontrol. Man that was gross! Thanks for the memorys Bart. Joe When I was in the Royal Navy our messroom was infested with the things. You could come in at night and switch on the light and they would all run like hell for cover into all the dark places under the seats. I fixed them permanently by connecting a hose to the low pressure steam main and hosing all those places well and good. Afterwards I swept up heaps of them and they never came back. That is a lot 'greener' way of disposing of them than spraying chemicals to which they can become immune. I still think that they will outlast the human race though. They are survivors. Sounds like a new biz venture Edgar. Joe |
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:52:45 -0700, Joe
wrote: About two weeks later the boats plaque emerged as 100,000 + cockroaches. It completly covered the boats decks and interior. We tossed many bug bombs below, but still the dock was covered, the dock boxes, cars, water, the creepy *******s were everywhere. Took a week of spraying to get them undercontrol. Man that was gross! Thanks for the memorys Bart. I had some kind of outdoor roach between the sidewalk and building one summer. They must have got under the tar-like caulking that had been squeezed between the building and sidewalk, and built nests under the sidewalk. The tar stuff was dried and peeling away. They'd only come out at night and were all over the sidewalk and into the grass. The grass was getting ate up. I got some spray in a big pressure can from an exterminator, pulled all the tar away and started spraying all along in the 40' crack. Thousand and thousands came pouring out dancing on their back legs before keeling over. All the neighbor kids were watching from a distance, and they started screaming out their emotions, mostly stuff like "Look at all them bugs!! Eeeew gross!." That was that. Roaches are dangerous, and caused one of the most painful and long-lasting injuries of my life. Came into the basement, flipped on the light, and a roach took off for shelter under a rolled piece of carpet. I sprinted after it, and pulled a hamstring. Limped for weeks. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:52:45 -0700, Joe wrote: About two weeks later the boats plaque emerged as 100,000 + cockroaches. It completly covered the boats decks and interior. We tossed many bug bombs below, but still the dock was covered, the dock boxes, cars, water, the creepy *******s were everywhere. Took a week of spraying to get them undercontrol. Man that was gross! Thanks for the memorys Bart. I had some kind of outdoor roach between the sidewalk and building one summer. They must have got under the tar-like caulking that had been squeezed between the building and sidewalk, and built nests under the sidewalk. The tar stuff was dried and peeling away. They'd only come out at night and were all over the sidewalk and into the grass. The grass was getting ate up. I got some spray in a big pressure can from an exterminator, pulled all the tar away and started spraying all along in the 40' crack. Thousand and thousands came pouring out dancing on their back legs before keeling over. All the neighbor kids were watching from a distance, and they started screaming out their emotions, mostly stuff like "Look at all them bugs!! Eeeew gross!." That was that. Roaches are dangerous, and caused one of the most painful and long-lasting injuries of my life. Came into the basement, flipped on the light, and a roach took off for shelter under a rolled piece of carpet. I sprinted after it, and pulled a hamstring. Limped for weeks. --Vic What you had sounds like earwigs..... |
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