Joe wrote in news:1182266139.160045.296860
@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels?

The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would
be nicer than diesel.

Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper
than Diesel fuel.

Joe



Not my boat, but my GM V-8 diesel stepvan (1989), two diesel Mercedes
cars ('73 220D and '83 300 TD turbodiesel 5-cyl). Will that do?

We don't buy fuel. Fuel is free for the asking at any Chinese
restaurant! 3 of us have Frybrids (www.frybrid.com) but, since
installing the Frybrid package in the V-8 diesel stepvan, I found it was
totally unnecessary overkill in South Carolina. You need it "up Nawth" in
the freezing cold, but not in the South. The Frybrid was about $1600 and
I paid my mechanic another thousand to install it all. Check the webpage
for its operation, which is very nice.

Both Mercedes cars are running on filtered used veggie oil, like the
truck, but after viewing a TV program of a Volvo diesel sedan running on
homebrew oil, I tried it and it works great with no outlay, other than
buying some mineral spirits cheap from the paint supply wholesaler. In
England, they use mineral spirits because it has no VAT tax ripoff on it.
I was using 20% gasoline and 80% veggie oil, but have cut the Arabs and
Bushes out of my wallet switching to 1 quart of mineral spirits to 20
gallons of veggie oil.

Our veggie oil facility is in George's warehouse. He's in the trucking
business with a Frybrid 300SD long wheelbase Mercedes sedan. Mike is a
car mechanic and owns a Frybrid VW diesel. The three of us call our
endeavour The French Fried Oil Company, a tongue-in-cheek conglomerate.
With my veggie powered truck, I'm in pickup and transportation, George
provides the warehouse space, which gets larger as time goes on, and Mike
provides pipette and filter services to polish the finished product to
our 55 gallon drums with electric pumps in them. Everyone has keys to
the warehouse for 24/7 fuel oil service.

Our method is really simple. Veggie oil comes to the restaurants in 5
gallon "boxes", pasteboard boxes with thin plastic jugs in them. We
provide the restaurants with a large steel filter funnel that has a fine
screen in it to filter out most of the crap as they pour the used oil
back into the containers it came in after it cools. Taking these
containers also reduces the restaurants' disposal costs along with
eliminating their oil disposal service costs. They love us...even feed
me when I pickup a couple of hundred gallons..(c; We save them quite a
bit of money!

I transport the boxes to the warehouse and mark the date on each box.
Boxes must sit, totally unmoved, for 1 month. Typically, they sit 3 to 5
months, now as our consumption cannot match our supply. In a month, or
more, all the remaining solids settle to a very thin layer in the bottom
of the boxes. Mike's suction pipette reaches down to within 3" of the
bottom of each box. An electric oil gear pump pulls a vacuum on two
large commercial truck fuel filter/water separators who draw the oil out
of the boxes, filter it to .5 microns, slowly, and pump the clean oil
into a 55 gallon finished product drum. We have 6 drums he keeps
filling. We pump that straight into the oil tanks on their cars and my
truck. Another drum is marked LARRY and this drum contains the mineral
spirits - veggie oil homebrew biodiesel I pour directly into the tanks on
the Mercedes cars I own, totally unmodified. The mineral spirits thin
the heavier oil so the stock injection system works as good as my
gas/veggie mix I used last winter. I figure it costs about 12 US cents
per US gallon....lots cheaper than a Frybrid.

I recently bought a Chinese 6KVA, single cylinder, 3600 RPM diesel genset
with battery starting in a nice quieting cabinet from Pep Boys for $1599.
The odd-sounding Chinese company I don't have the name of at the moment
is an ISO 9003 certified company and it shows in the genset's quality and
workmanship. It had an initial tank of diesel fuel when I insisted on
hearing it before buying it. I had to prime it myself because the whole
shop full of car mechanics didn't have a clue as to what I was talking
about and I didn't want them to keep cranking and ruin my new
battery/starter trying to initially start it. If you want it done right,
you have to do it yourself! As the tank emptied, I filled it with my
mineral spirits/veggie homebrew and it cranked right up. I now have 6KW
of emergency power that will only cost me some mineral spirits and lube
oil (it holds 2 quarts) that will run as long as I like. My neighbor
bought a longer drop cord so he doesn't have to sit in the dark...(c;

In a boat, the only drawback would be hauling it all the way to the boat
in the drum....not fun. I suppose you COULD reuse the 5 gallon boxes in
a dock cart just fine. We're throwing away an awful lot of boxes every
month.

My new Honda 250cc scooter is gas......dammit....(c;

Larry
--
Buy biodiesel?? How silly!

Larry brought forth on stone tablets:
Joe wrote in news:1182266139.160045.296860
@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:


Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels?

The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would
be nicer than diesel.

Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper
than Diesel fuel.

Joe




Not my boat, but my GM V-8 diesel stepvan (1989), two diesel Mercedes
cars ('73 220D and '83 300 TD turbodiesel 5-cyl). Will that do?

We don't buy fuel. Fuel is free for the asking at any Chinese
restaurant! 3 of us have Frybrids (www.frybrid.com) but, since
installing the Frybrid package in the V-8 diesel stepvan, I found it was
totally unnecessary overkill in South Carolina. You need it "up Nawth" in
the freezing cold, but not in the South. The Frybrid was about $1600 and
I paid my mechanic another thousand to install it all. Check the webpage
for its operation, which is very nice.

Both Mercedes cars are running on filtered used veggie oil, like the
truck, but after viewing a TV program of a Volvo diesel sedan running on
homebrew oil, I tried it and it works great with no outlay, other than
buying some mineral spirits cheap from the paint supply wholesaler. In
England, they use mineral spirits because it has no VAT tax ripoff on it.
I was using 20% gasoline and 80% veggie oil, but have cut the Arabs and
Bushes out of my wallet switching to 1 quart of mineral spirits to 20
gallons of veggie oil.

Our veggie oil facility is in George's warehouse. He's in the trucking
business with a Frybrid 300SD long wheelbase Mercedes sedan. Mike is a
car mechanic and owns a Frybrid VW diesel. The three of us call our
endeavour The French Fried Oil Company, a tongue-in-cheek conglomerate.
With my veggie powered truck, I'm in pickup and transportation, George
provides the warehouse space, which gets larger as time goes on, and Mike
provides pipette and filter services to polish the finished product to
our 55 gallon drums with electric pumps in them. Everyone has keys to
the warehouse for 24/7 fuel oil service.

Our method is really simple. Veggie oil comes to the restaurants in 5
gallon "boxes", pasteboard boxes with thin plastic jugs in them. We
provide the restaurants with a large steel filter funnel that has a fine
screen in it to filter out most of the crap as they pour the used oil
back into the containers it came in after it cools. Taking these
containers also reduces the restaurants' disposal costs along with
eliminating their oil disposal service costs. They love us...even feed
me when I pickup a couple of hundred gallons..(c; We save them quite a
bit of money!

I transport the boxes to the warehouse and mark the date on each box.
Boxes must sit, totally unmoved, for 1 month. Typically, they sit 3 to 5
months, now as our consumption cannot match our supply. In a month, or
more, all the remaining solids settle to a very thin layer in the bottom
of the boxes. Mike's suction pipette reaches down to within 3" of the
bottom of each box. An electric oil gear pump pulls a vacuum on two
large commercial truck fuel filter/water separators who draw the oil out
of the boxes, filter it to .5 microns, slowly, and pump the clean oil
into a 55 gallon finished product drum. We have 6 drums he keeps
filling. We pump that straight into the oil tanks on their cars and my
truck. Another drum is marked LARRY and this drum contains the mineral
spirits - veggie oil homebrew biodiesel I pour directly into the tanks on
the Mercedes cars I own, totally unmodified. The mineral spirits thin
the heavier oil so the stock injection system works as good as my
gas/veggie mix I used last winter. I figure it costs about 12 US cents
per US gallon....lots cheaper than a Frybrid.

I recently bought a Chinese 6KVA, single cylinder, 3600 RPM diesel genset
with battery starting in a nice quieting cabinet from Pep Boys for $1599.
The odd-sounding Chinese company I don't have the name of at the moment
is an ISO 9003 certified company and it shows in the genset's quality and
workmanship. It had an initial tank of diesel fuel when I insisted on
hearing it before buying it. I had to prime it myself because the whole
shop full of car mechanics didn't have a clue as to what I was talking
about and I didn't want them to keep cranking and ruin my new
battery/starter trying to initially start it. If you want it done right,
you have to do it yourself! As the tank emptied, I filled it with my
mineral spirits/veggie homebrew and it cranked right up. I now have 6KW
of emergency power that will only cost me some mineral spirits and lube
oil (it holds 2 quarts) that will run as long as I like. My neighbor
bought a longer drop cord so he doesn't have to sit in the dark...(c;

In a boat, the only drawback would be hauling it all the way to the boat
in the drum....not fun. I suppose you COULD reuse the 5 gallon boxes in
a dock cart just fine. We're throwing away an awful lot of boxes every
month.

My new Honda 250cc scooter is gas......dammit....(c;

Larry


Perhaps someone with *marine* veggie oil or biodiesel experience can
allay my fears of starting the world's largest bacterial colony in my
fuel tanks if I fill up with one of these alternatives. For goodness
sakes, the bugs eat the *diesel* if only there is a little water present!


Now, I know in a land vehicle, bacterial growth is likely not to be a
problem because the tanks are so much smaller, and the thruput is a lot
higher. But on my sailboat, if I fill up (350 gallons), that will last
me 2 years or more of cruising and living on the boat. That is a long
time for the bugs to get going...

bob
s/v Eolian
Seattle

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:21:33 +0000, Larry wrote:

Our method is really simple. Veggie oil comes to the restaurants in 5
gallon "boxes", pasteboard boxes with thin plastic jugs in them. We
provide the restaurants with a large steel filter funnel that has a fine
screen in it to filter out most of the crap as they pour the used oil
back into the containers it came in after it cools. Taking these
containers also reduces the restaurants' disposal costs along with
eliminating their oil disposal service costs. They love us...even feed
me when I pickup a couple of hundred gallons..(c; We save them quite a
bit of money!

Good on you Larry, for being innovative. Enjoy it while you can.
When 50 more people do it, Econ 101 will kick in, and the restaurant
owners will be asking highest bid for their old grease.
When a few hundred do it, the Chicago Board of Trade will initiate
future contracts. Shouts of "Buy 100 October OFG (Old Fry
Grease)!!!!" will ring out in the OFG pit, and industry experts will
blame the OFG futures speculators on the high cost of fuel.
Maybe you should lock these restaurants' oil in with a contract.
Who knows, you may be the next Rockefeller.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote in
:

Good on you Larry, for being innovative. Enjoy it while you can.
When 50 more people do it, Econ 101 will kick in, and the restaurant
owners will be asking highest bid for their old grease.
When a few hundred do it, the Chicago Board of Trade will initiate
future contracts. Shouts of "Buy 100 October OFG (Old Fry
Grease)!!!!" will ring out in the OFG pit, and industry experts will
blame the OFG futures speculators on the high cost of fuel.
Maybe you should lock these restaurants' oil in with a contract.
Who knows, you may be the next Rockefeller.

--Vic


No, I suspect the next thing to happen is the oil companies' bribed
politicians will pass a law making it a felony to burn anything but oil
company fuel in any vehicle, driving us all underground. Remember the GM
EV-1 all the test owners loved and refused to give back to GM until GM
threatened them? That was about dealers bitching it didn't require
enough maintenance and oil company politicians telling GM to get rid of
it.

Our President owns oil companies, remember?

They'll find some environmental problem, even if there isn't one of
course, to ban it. It produces NO SULPHUR EMISSIONS, like diesel does.
It's not low sulphur...it's NO SULPHUR. So, we'll have to make it a
carcinogen killing the planet's children. Yeah, that'll work as a scare
tactic.



Larry
--
http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:56:33 +0000, Larry wrote:

No, I suspect the next thing to happen is the oil companies' bribed
politicians will pass a law making it a felony to burn anything but oil
company fuel in any vehicle, driving us all underground. Remember the GM
EV-1 all the test owners loved and refused to give back to GM until GM
threatened them? That was about dealers bitching it didn't require
enough maintenance and oil company politicians telling GM to get rid of
it.

Yep. And now I'm hearing all this crying about the poor U.S. auto
mfgs from different sources.
I saw 3 ads on TV yesterday by these jokers, in succession.
1. Chrysler - a big minivan gas hog.
2. Ford - a huge honking crew cab PU gas hog.
3. GM - a Caddie Escalade gas hog.
Now maybe that marketing was a coincidence or a product of the
cable channel(s) I was watching (CNN, Fox or MSNBC - can't remember).
But it doesn't matter. Keep marketing gas guzzlers and you will die
or become further marginalized by the Asian automakers.

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in
message news

Yep. And now I'm hearing all this crying about the poor
U.S. auto
mfgs from different sources.
I saw 3 ads on TV yesterday by these jokers, in
succession.
1. Chrysler - a big minivan gas hog.
2. Ford - a huge honking crew cab PU gas hog.
3. GM - a Caddie Escalade gas hog.
Now maybe that marketing was a coincidence or a product of
the
cable channel(s) I was watching (CNN, Fox or MSNBC - can't
remember).
But it doesn't matter. Keep marketing gas guzzlers and
you will die
or become further marginalized by the Asian automakers.


Have you never driven on a busy interstate? 80% of the cars
are SUVs and PUs.
BTW, my truck gets 6.5 MPG now.

SBV

"Vic Smith" wrote in
message news

Now maybe that marketing was a coincidence or a product of
the
cable channel(s) I was watching (CNN, Fox or MSNBC - can't
remember).
But it doesn't matter. Keep marketing gas guzzlers and
you will die
or become further marginalized by the Asian automakers.


I agree, car ads are some of the worse. Bigger is better?
And how about the ads geared towards the juvenile, immature
( bobspit types) street racer wannabes? Ouy vay!

One ad touts their lighted cup holder. A LIGHTED CUP HOLDER
FOR CRIPES SAKE !!!!!

SBV

Vic Smith wrote in
news
Yep. And now I'm hearing all this crying about the poor U.S. auto
mfgs from different sources.
I saw 3 ads on TV yesterday by these jokers, in succession.
1. Chrysler - a big minivan gas hog.
2. Ford - a huge honking crew cab PU gas hog.
3. GM - a Caddie Escalade gas hog.
Now maybe that marketing was a coincidence or a product of the
cable channel(s) I was watching (CNN, Fox or MSNBC - can't remember).
But it doesn't matter. Keep marketing gas guzzlers and you will die
or become further marginalized by the Asian automakers.

--Vic



Look closely at the lobby success Detroit has had keeping fuel efficient
cars like the Smart Car and other tiny European and Asian developments
out of the country, with the help of their "safety politicians".

I've always wondered why I can buy this:
http://tinyurl.com/3777vp
Which is American made, has absolutely no safety equipment,
whatsoever...but, I'm not allowed to buy this:
http://tinyurl.com/2b7f9u
which HAS plenty of safety equipment so the passengers survive this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s
Here they crashed one into a new Mercedes S-class. It bounced off and
everyone survived.
Do you think the American on the one I can buy will survive this crash
test? I doubt it. It's used as a flimsy excuse to keep fuel efficient
cars that hurt my oil company President, GW, in his pocket book.

Of course, not all Smart Cars are as fast as these with the 500HP Suzuki
Hayabusa motorcycle engine in them....(c;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPQIi...elated&search=

Here's a Diablo Smart wiping a million dollar Ferrari's nose in a drag
race....too funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV1zQ...elated&search=

-------------------------------
We're just now getting ONLY the most inefficiently powered Smart Cars
into America. It's been years of waiting....

God I love youtube....(c;


Larry
--
http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 20:57:05 +0000, Larry wrote:

Vic Smith wrote in
news
Yep. And now I'm hearing all this crying about the poor U.S. auto
mfgs from different sources.
I saw 3 ads on TV yesterday by these jokers, in succession.
1. Chrysler - a big minivan gas hog.
2. Ford - a huge honking crew cab PU gas hog.
3. GM - a Caddie Escalade gas hog.
Now maybe that marketing was a coincidence or a product of the
cable channel(s) I was watching (CNN, Fox or MSNBC - can't remember).
But it doesn't matter. Keep marketing gas guzzlers and you will die
or become further marginalized by the Asian automakers.

--Vic

Look closely at the lobby success Detroit has had keeping fuel efficient
cars like the Smart Car and other tiny European and Asian developments
out of the country, with the help of their "safety politicians".

I've always wondered why I can buy this:
http://tinyurl.com/3777vp
Which is American made, has absolutely no safety equipment,
whatsoever...but, I'm not allowed to buy this:
http://tinyurl.com/2b7f9u
which HAS plenty of safety equipment so the passengers survive this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s
Here they crashed one into a new Mercedes S-class. It bounced off and
everyone survived.
Do you think the American on the one I can buy will survive this crash
test? I doubt it. It's used as a flimsy excuse to keep fuel efficient
cars that hurt my oil company President, GW, in his pocket book.

Of course, not all Smart Cars are as fast as these with the 500HP Suzuki
Hayabusa motorcycle engine in them....(c;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPQIi...elated&search=

Here's a Diablo Smart wiping a million dollar Ferrari's nose in a drag
race....too funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV1zQ...elated&search=

-------------------------------
We're just now getting ONLY the most inefficiently powered Smart Cars
into America. It's been years of waiting....

God I love youtube....(c;

Very timely, Larry.
Would you put your money or Ford/GM or UAG?
http://www.forbes.com/markets/2007/0...markets23.html
You remember the Bug in the '60's. All over the place.
Had one myself Might see a repeat with another Kraut car.
Especially if gas goes to 4-5 bucks.
Should be interesting anyway.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote in
:

You remember the Bug in the '60's. All over the place.
Had one myself Might see a repeat with another Kraut car.
Especially if gas goes to 4-5 bucks.
Should be interesting anyway.

--Vic



I had a string of VWs. 3 bugs, 411 wagon, 2 Kombi campers, one bus...all
great vehicles, but way too much maintenance on the air cooled pancake
engines. All that valve adjusting was way too much.

Larry
--
http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP