Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels?

The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would
be nicer than diesel.

Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper
than Diesel fuel.

Joe

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Joe wrote:

Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels?

The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would
be nicer than diesel.

Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper
than Diesel fuel.

Joe

You mean real double dipped french fries soft inside and crisp on the
outside, not the North-American greasy overcooked stuff?

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Joe wrote:


You mean real dippy french men, soft inside and crusty on
the
outside?

yelp!

"Joe" wrote in message
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Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels?

The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would
be nicer than diesel.

Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper
than Diesel fuel.

Joe

What sort of "conversion" were you thinking of doing? Do you think you
can get special bio-diesel fuel injectors for a marine diesel or maybe a
bio-diesel fuel pump? I doubt it very much. The engine will probably run
fine on the stuff but it may loosen up deposits in the tank and lines.
Long-term effects on the engine unknown.
On MythBusters they got a tank of used cooking oil from a french fry place,
filtered out the chunks and mounted a tank on the roof of an old Mercedes
diesel. Car started right up and ran fine. Got only 1 mpg less than on
pump diesel.

On Jun 19, 11:00 am, "Gordon Wedman" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

ups.com...

Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels?

The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would
be nicer than diesel.

Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper
than Diesel fuel.

Joe

What sort of "conversion" were you thinking of doing? Do you think you
can get special bio-diesel fuel injectors for a marine diesel or maybe a
bio-diesel fuel pump? I doubt it very much. The engine will probably run
fine on the stuff but it may loosen up deposits in the tank and lines.
Long-term effects on the engine unknown.
On MythBusters they got a tank of used cooking oil from a french fry place,
filtered out the chunks and mounted a tank on the roof of an old Mercedes
diesel. Car started right up and ran fine. Got only 1 mpg less than on
pump diesel.

Seems that all that is required long term is to replace anything
rubber. As rubber is disolved long term. Your pump and injectors
should not be affected inless they have internal rubber parts.

Joe

Joe wrote:
Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels?

The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would
be nicer than diesel.

Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper
than Diesel fuel.

Joe

Deisel engines are designed to run on this stuff but it depends on the
level of filtering that has been done to it. If it is used french fry
grease you should filter it and probably mix it with either bio-deisel
or regular deseil. You can also heat it to get some better
performance. There is a ton of info on this on the net. If you want
it to be the same grade as deisel fuel with all the same perfance
qualities you need to do a little refining yourself. It's doable at
home but is a little complicated. It's propably not worth the time
and added expense to you but you can mix well filtered french fry
grease with deisel fuel and at a pretty good ratio (something like
50-75% grease depending on where you live) and get similar performance
characteristics. One thing I have heard repeatedly is to not leave
the grease in the line when the engine is off. If it gets cold it
will thicken and can cause all sorts of problems when trying to start
up. Kill the fuel pump and let it die on its own. This should be
common practice anyways but it's really important if you are using
unrefined grease as your fuel.

A lot of people like the smell of the exhaust but they say it always
makes them hungry.

....
Deisel engines are designed to run on this stuff but it depends on the
level of filtering that has been done to it. ...

I was jawing with the guy at the counter of the local injector pump
specialists a couple of months ago and he claimed that bio-diesel was
causing pump failures. His assertion was that regular diesel has
lubricants added to it and that even commercially available bio-diesel
doesn't and that this resulted in much more serious pump wear. I
don't really have any idea how true that is though he did a good
looking job of rebuilding the pump so I guess he isn't a total
wacko... Maybe someone in the group knows more about this and if
there are any useful additives (I'm guessing detergent and lubricant)
that you might want to think about...

-- Tom.

In article Z4Tdi.38588$vT6.16597@edtnps90,
"Gordon Wedman" wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels?

The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would
be nicer than diesel.

Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper
than Diesel fuel.

Joe

What sort of "conversion" were you thinking of doing? Do you think you
can get special bio-diesel fuel injectors for a marine diesel or maybe a
bio-diesel fuel pump? I doubt it very much. The engine will probably run
fine on the stuff but it may loosen up deposits in the tank and lines.
Long-term effects on the engine unknown.
On MythBusters they got a tank of used cooking oil from a french fry place,
filtered out the chunks and mounted a tank on the roof of an old Mercedes
diesel. Car started right up and ran fine. Got only 1 mpg less than on
pump diesel.



Just remember that MythBusters is a Southern Kalifornia production, and
if you tried that in Frostbite Falls Minisota, in the winter you would be
doing a lot of walking or rowing as the case may be. Diesel #2 doesn't
even think of gelling untill your down to 10F and Diesel #1 clear down
to -30F or lower. Frier Grease will turn solid at 40F if your not
careful.

Joe wrote in news:1182266139.160045.296860
@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

Has anyone here converted your boats engine over to burn bio-fuels?

The smell of french fry, or duncan doughnuts exhaust fumes sure would
be nicer than diesel.

Here in Houston we have a dealer than will deliver and it's cheaper
than Diesel fuel.

Joe



Not my boat, but my GM V-8 diesel stepvan (1989), two diesel Mercedes
cars ('73 220D and '83 300 TD turbodiesel 5-cyl). Will that do?

We don't buy fuel. Fuel is free for the asking at any Chinese
restaurant! 3 of us have Frybrids (www.frybrid.com) but, since
installing the Frybrid package in the V-8 diesel stepvan, I found it was
totally unnecessary overkill in South Carolina. You need it "up Nawth" in
the freezing cold, but not in the South. The Frybrid was about $1600 and
I paid my mechanic another thousand to install it all. Check the webpage
for its operation, which is very nice.

Both Mercedes cars are running on filtered used veggie oil, like the
truck, but after viewing a TV program of a Volvo diesel sedan running on
homebrew oil, I tried it and it works great with no outlay, other than
buying some mineral spirits cheap from the paint supply wholesaler. In
England, they use mineral spirits because it has no VAT tax ripoff on it.
I was using 20% gasoline and 80% veggie oil, but have cut the Arabs and
Bushes out of my wallet switching to 1 quart of mineral spirits to 20
gallons of veggie oil.

Our veggie oil facility is in George's warehouse. He's in the trucking
business with a Frybrid 300SD long wheelbase Mercedes sedan. Mike is a
car mechanic and owns a Frybrid VW diesel. The three of us call our
endeavour The French Fried Oil Company, a tongue-in-cheek conglomerate.
With my veggie powered truck, I'm in pickup and transportation, George
provides the warehouse space, which gets larger as time goes on, and Mike
provides pipette and filter services to polish the finished product to
our 55 gallon drums with electric pumps in them. Everyone has keys to
the warehouse for 24/7 fuel oil service.

Our method is really simple. Veggie oil comes to the restaurants in 5
gallon "boxes", pasteboard boxes with thin plastic jugs in them. We
provide the restaurants with a large steel filter funnel that has a fine
screen in it to filter out most of the crap as they pour the used oil
back into the containers it came in after it cools. Taking these
containers also reduces the restaurants' disposal costs along with
eliminating their oil disposal service costs. They love us...even feed
me when I pickup a couple of hundred gallons..(c; We save them quite a
bit of money!

I transport the boxes to the warehouse and mark the date on each box.
Boxes must sit, totally unmoved, for 1 month. Typically, they sit 3 to 5
months, now as our consumption cannot match our supply. In a month, or
more, all the remaining solids settle to a very thin layer in the bottom
of the boxes. Mike's suction pipette reaches down to within 3" of the
bottom of each box. An electric oil gear pump pulls a vacuum on two
large commercial truck fuel filter/water separators who draw the oil out
of the boxes, filter it to .5 microns, slowly, and pump the clean oil
into a 55 gallon finished product drum. We have 6 drums he keeps
filling. We pump that straight into the oil tanks on their cars and my
truck. Another drum is marked LARRY and this drum contains the mineral
spirits - veggie oil homebrew biodiesel I pour directly into the tanks on
the Mercedes cars I own, totally unmodified. The mineral spirits thin
the heavier oil so the stock injection system works as good as my
gas/veggie mix I used last winter. I figure it costs about 12 US cents
per US gallon....lots cheaper than a Frybrid.

I recently bought a Chinese 6KVA, single cylinder, 3600 RPM diesel genset
with battery starting in a nice quieting cabinet from Pep Boys for $1599.
The odd-sounding Chinese company I don't have the name of at the moment
is an ISO 9003 certified company and it shows in the genset's quality and
workmanship. It had an initial tank of diesel fuel when I insisted on
hearing it before buying it. I had to prime it myself because the whole
shop full of car mechanics didn't have a clue as to what I was talking
about and I didn't want them to keep cranking and ruin my new
battery/starter trying to initially start it. If you want it done right,
you have to do it yourself! As the tank emptied, I filled it with my
mineral spirits/veggie homebrew and it cranked right up. I now have 6KW
of emergency power that will only cost me some mineral spirits and lube
oil (it holds 2 quarts) that will run as long as I like. My neighbor
bought a longer drop cord so he doesn't have to sit in the dark...(c;

In a boat, the only drawback would be hauling it all the way to the boat
in the drum....not fun. I suppose you COULD reuse the 5 gallon boxes in
a dock cart just fine. We're throwing away an awful lot of boxes every
month.

My new Honda 250cc scooter is gas......dammit....(c;

Larry
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Buy biodiesel?? How silly!

Joe wrote in news:1182270215.620722.115960
@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

Seems that all that is required long term is to replace anything
rubber. As rubber is disolved long term. Your pump and injectors
should not be affected inless they have internal rubber parts.

Joe



I've never figured out why anything you use that bypasses the current
supply train eats rubber. Why would corn or canola oil eat rubber? It
doesn't in the fryers at 450F. I've never seen any dissolved rubber in
my fries...(c;

They said the same thing over R-134a to try to rip us with "conversions"
from R-12. I pumped the R-12 from the 300TD wagon to my 220D antique
diesel car. I changed out the fittings to the new ones. I pumped a
vacuum on the system, injected the R-134a oil and filled it with R-134a.
That was years ago. Not a single piece of rubber failed, as predicted by
anyone selling "conversions".

None of the rubber hoses, return hoses, supply hoses, seals/fittings/etc.
shows any difference running either 170F pure oil or my homebrew mixes of
gas/veggie or mineral spirits/veggie. I think the rubber rumors comes
from OIL COMPANIES. GASOLINE is far more toxic to anything it touches
than any oil....including veggie.



Larry
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