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Mac26X fit for all waters
Jeff wrote in
: * Duncan McC (NZ) wrote, On 6/10/2007 10:02 PM: My issue with this situation is that the boat is marketed to novices, yet requires extra attention to issues that are found on very few other boats. Absolutely - so really the instructions should be *always* operate the boat with the ballast in place (when on the water). Here is the decal from the 26M. I don't know if the 26X had the same warning, but IIRC the boat that rolled didn't have a decal. http://www.macgregor26.com/safety/sa...l_apr_2006.pdf The M version was redesigned to include several hundred pounds of ballast plus foam in the mast which means that it should be self-righting in most situations. In the X version, they say that if the boat heels 50 degrees without water ballast it will quite possibly capsize and not self-right. Here is the full list of safety recommendations/warnings on the site: http://www.macgregor26.com/safety/safety.htm Some of the warnings would apply to any boat, but many are unique for a 26 foot sailboat sold as a "cruiser." In particular, without the water ballast crew size is limited to 4 people/640 pounds. Having sailed many years in daysailers 15-19 feet, the concept of a 26 foot cruising boat with a cabin that is unsafe with 5 people on board is quite unexpected. You've got to get back to basics. The Mac26X or M are trailerable boats. The ballast is water so it can be drained for trailering. That's all you have to remember. Fill the ballast tank right after you launch and drain it right after you pull. That's not so hard is it? Once you got the basics down you just have to remember that even with the ballast tank full it's still a trailer boat that can't be treated like a heavy ballast keel boat. It's a compromise and a damned good one but you gotta keep it in mind all the time. Get drunk and forget and you might pay for your stupidity. I like to look at it this way. Macs are for the more intelligent and careful sailors. Heavy keel boats perform poorer but are harder to capsize so you can get drunk and sloppy and get away with it more often. A Mac is like riding a thorobred. Hang on and enjoy the greater speed and versatility but don't get complacent. -- Cheerio, Ed Gordon http://www.freewebs.com/egordon873/index.htm |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:41:33 +0200 (CEST), Ed Gordon
wrote: A Mac is like riding a thorobred. Right. |
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"Ed Gordon" wrote in message 8... I like to look at it this way. Macs are for the more intelligent and careful sailors. Heavy keel boats perform poorer but are harder to capsize so you can get drunk and sloppy and get away with it more often. A Mac is like riding a thorobred. Hang on and enjoy the greater speed and versatility but don't get complacent. -- Cheerio, Ed Gordon http://www.freewebs.com/egordon873/index.htm With the ballast tanks full, it's a displacement hull limited in its hullspeed just like any "heavy keel boat." It's also under-rigged compared to those heavier deep keel displacement boats, and can't carry much in the way of light air sails. |
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* Ed Gordon wrote, On 6/11/2007 2:41 PM:
You've got to get back to basics. The Mac26X or M are trailerable boats. The ballast is water so it can be drained for trailering. That's all you have to remember. Fill the ballast tank right after you launch and drain it right after you pull. That's not so hard is it? And yet, just yesterday, you bragged about how fast it would go with an empty ballast tank with the Honda engine. Once you got the basics down you just have to remember that even with the ballast tank full it's still a trailer boat that can't be treated like a heavy ballast keel boat. It's a compromise and a damned good one but you gotta keep it in mind all the time. Get drunk and forget and you might pay for your stupidity. In other words, all other boats are for normal people, the Mac is only for "special" people. I like to look at it this way. Macs are for the more intelligent and careful sailors. Heavy keel boats perform poorer but are harder to capsize so you can get drunk and sloppy and get away with it more often. So please explain to us which boats it sails faster than. You've said many times that its a "fast sailer" but when I look at the ratings, I have trouble finding a boat remotely comparable to a Mac that isn't 10% faster, or more. In fact, its real hard to find a boat that's slower than a Mac. So please, give us an example of a boat that sails slower than a Mac. A Mac is like riding a thorobred. Hang on and enjoy the greater speed and versatility but don't get complacent. Yes, that's the perfect boat for a family cruiser. Even in perfect weather, if you get complacent it will roll over and kill you. |
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Jeff wrote in
: And yet, just yesterday, you bragged about how fast it would go with an empty ballast tank with the Honda engine. Hey, man, I can do it because I'm not stupid or drunk. I was smart enough not to have bowriders etc. Keep the people inside or in the cockpit for stability with an empty tank. It does go faster without the ballast under power. It's just plain physics. So please explain to us which boats it sails faster than. You've said many times that its a "fast sailer" but when I look at the ratings, I have trouble finding a boat remotely comparable to a Mac that isn't 10% faster, or more. In fact, its real hard to find a boat that's slower than a Mac. So please, give us an example of a boat that sails slower than a Mac. Any boat that has less length waterline will be slower than a Mac under sail. But since the Mac is a plaining hull it can go faster than heavy ballast keel boats in winds strong enough to plain it off. You want an example, just look up boats that have less than a 23 feet. Here's one much slower Alerion Express 20. Yes, that's the perfect boat for a family cruiser. Even in perfect weather, if you get complacent it will roll over and kill you. Catamarans roll over and kill people too. People still buy them too. It's because they know the risks. Every boat has it's own risks. You're too uptight, man. -- Cheerio, Ed Gordon http://www.freewebs.com/egordon873/index.htm |
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* Ed Gordon wrote, On 6/12/2007 11:53 AM:
Jeff wrote in : And yet, just yesterday, you bragged about how fast it would go with an empty ballast tank with the Honda engine. Hey, man, I can do it because I'm not stupid or drunk. I was smart enough not to have bowriders etc. Keep the people inside or in the cockpit for stability with an empty tank. It does go faster without the ballast under power. It's just plain physics. So what is it? First you say fill the tanks, now you say run empty? So please explain to us which boats it sails faster than. You've said many times that its a "fast sailer" but when I look at the ratings, I have trouble finding a boat remotely comparable to a Mac that isn't 10% faster, or more. In fact, its real hard to find a boat that's slower than a Mac. So please, give us an example of a boat that sails slower than a Mac. Any boat that has less length waterline will be slower than a Mac under sail. Only an idiot or a simpleton would make that claim. There are many more factors than waterline length. But since the Mac is a plaining hull it can go faster than heavy ballast keel boats in winds strong enough to plain it off. The Mac can plane only in certain limited situations. You want an example, just look up boats that have less than a 23 feet. Here's one much slower Alerion Express 20. Oh, so you pick a boat 6 feet shorter - one that's designed for simple daysailing. It shouldn't be too hard to beat a boat like that. OK, lets look at the USSailing Portsmouth Yardstick for these two boats. The Mac 26X is 99.5, but the Alerion 20 is only 93.1. So that means the Alerion is more than 6% faster than the Mac. Sorry, maybe you're faster than a Rhodes 19. Nope, that's 96.9. Wait! I found one! You're faster than a Typhoon, the 18 foot Alberg design. It only rates 106.9. Congratulations, the mac is not the slowest boat on the water! Yes, that's the perfect boat for a family cruiser. Even in perfect weather, if you get complacent it will roll over and kill you. Catamarans roll over and kill people too. People still buy them too. It's because they know the risks. Every boat has it's own risks. You're too uptight, man. The difference is that a cat has a small chance of rolling in extreme weather, hurricanes and the like. The Mac has a chance of rolling if a few people are standing up and you goose the throttle by mistake. |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:53:42 +0200, Ed Gordon wrote:
Jeff wrote in : So please explain to us which boats it sails faster than. You've said many times that its a "fast sailer" but when I look at the ratings, I have trouble finding a boat remotely comparable to a Mac that isn't 10% faster, or more. In fact, its real hard to find a boat that's slower than a Mac. So please, give us an example of a boat that sails slower than a Mac. Any boat that has less length waterline will be slower than a Mac under sail. Yeah... I'm sure the Martin 242 (or Hotfoot 20) sailors are shaking in their boots when they see a Mac26 next to them... But since the Mac is a plaining hull it can go faster than heavy ballast keel boats in winds strong enough to plain it off. You want an example, just look up boats that have less than a 23 feet. Here's one much slower Alerion Express 20. I watched a Mac26 and a Catalina 27 sail upwind in about 10-15knots (from ahead of course, I was in my Catalina 36...). They looked about equal, although the Mac was heeling unbeleivably at times. Then they tacked... and it turned out the Mac had so much leeway it was 1/2 mile behind! Thanks, but I think even a trailerable Cat 22 would beat a Mac26 (and doesn't capsize for no reason, and will take more than 5 passengers...) druid - has had 12 on his Cal 25 without it capsizing http://www.bcboatnet.org |
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