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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:25:48 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

"It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt,"
he said.


Well, if that's what you believe, I suggest you pollute for all your
worth.

While I'm something of an agnostic on the whole GW thing, it's hard to
miss
the fact that there's a high correlation between those pushing its cause
and
those who historically have insisted on regulating others' behavior and
reaching into others' pockets to pay for their own pet causes of one sort
or
another.


Its all about following the money. The GW enthusiasts have created a
panic against which they can get gov't grants to do research $$ and
contracts to develop solutions to the synthesized problem.

GW has been with us for the past 18,000 years. So which factory or auto
emission started that warming trend before the Egyptians figured out which
way to align the pyramids?

CO2 levels are rising. That's what happens when it gets warmer and the
bacteria get more active. The fact that our current CO2 levels "appear"
greater than those in the ice core samples is easily explained by the
outgassing of CO2 from the ice over thousands of years. The same reason
carbonated water goes flat if its left in the glass for hours.

Glacial retreat? That's what happens when the earth emerges from an ice
age.

Thirty years ago, the cry was that the earth was cooling and that we were
pushing it back into an ice age.



We wouldn't want you to be fooled by appearence...

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:25:48 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

"It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt,"
he said.


Well, if that's what you believe, I suggest you pollute for all your
worth.

While I'm something of an agnostic on the whole GW thing, it's hard to
miss
the fact that there's a high correlation between those pushing its cause
and
those who historically have insisted on regulating others' behavior and
reaching into others' pockets to pay for their own pet causes of one
sort or
another.


Its all about following the money. The GW enthusiasts have created a
panic against which they can get gov't grants to do research $$ and
contracts to develop solutions to the synthesized problem.

GW has been with us for the past 18,000 years. So which factory or auto
emission started that warming trend before the Egyptians figured out
which way to align the pyramids?

CO2 levels are rising. That's what happens when it gets warmer and the
bacteria get more active. The fact that our current CO2 levels "appear"
greater than those in the ice core samples is easily explained by the
outgassing of CO2 from the ice over thousands of years. The same reason
carbonated water goes flat if its left in the glass for hours.

Glacial retreat? That's what happens when the earth emerges from an ice
age.

Thirty years ago, the cry was that the earth was cooling and that we were
pushing it back into an ice age.



We wouldn't want you to be fooled by appearence...

Nor would we want you to be, despite the fact that you have been.

Max

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"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:25:48 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

"It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt,"
he said.


Well, if that's what you believe, I suggest you pollute for all your
worth.

While I'm something of an agnostic on the whole GW thing, it's hard to
miss
the fact that there's a high correlation between those pushing its
cause and
those who historically have insisted on regulating others' behavior and
reaching into others' pockets to pay for their own pet causes of one
sort or
another.


Its all about following the money. The GW enthusiasts have created a
panic against which they can get gov't grants to do research $$ and
contracts to develop solutions to the synthesized problem.

GW has been with us for the past 18,000 years. So which factory or auto
emission started that warming trend before the Egyptians figured out
which way to align the pyramids?

CO2 levels are rising. That's what happens when it gets warmer and the
bacteria get more active. The fact that our current CO2 levels "appear"
greater than those in the ice core samples is easily explained by the
outgassing of CO2 from the ice over thousands of years. The same reason
carbonated water goes flat if its left in the glass for hours.

Glacial retreat? That's what happens when the earth emerges from an ice
age.

Thirty years ago, the cry was that the earth was cooling and that we
were pushing it back into an ice age.



We wouldn't want you to be fooled by appearence...

Nor would we want you to be, despite the fact that you have been.

Max



The fact is that man is the primary reason for the increase in carbon in the
atmosphere. We need to deal with it asap.


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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:25:48 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

"It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt,"
he said.


Well, if that's what you believe, I suggest you pollute for all your
worth.

While I'm something of an agnostic on the whole GW thing, it's hard to
miss
the fact that there's a high correlation between those pushing its
cause and
those who historically have insisted on regulating others' behavior
and
reaching into others' pockets to pay for their own pet causes of one
sort or
another.


Its all about following the money. The GW enthusiasts have created a
panic against which they can get gov't grants to do research $$ and
contracts to develop solutions to the synthesized problem.

GW has been with us for the past 18,000 years. So which factory or
auto emission started that warming trend before the Egyptians figured
out which way to align the pyramids?

CO2 levels are rising. That's what happens when it gets warmer and the
bacteria get more active. The fact that our current CO2 levels
"appear" greater than those in the ice core samples is easily explained
by the outgassing of CO2 from the ice over thousands of years. The
same reason carbonated water goes flat if its left in the glass for
hours.

Glacial retreat? That's what happens when the earth emerges from an
ice age.

Thirty years ago, the cry was that the earth was cooling and that we
were pushing it back into an ice age.



We wouldn't want you to be fooled by appearence...

Nor would we want you to be, despite the fact that you have been.

Max



The fact is that man is the primary reason for the increase in carbon in
the atmosphere. We need to deal with it asap.

On this you and I agree completely. In fact I couldn't agree more. But
please don't expect me to believe that the increase in atmospheric co2 is
the prime reason our planet is warming. The evidence for that is nebulous
at best, and ignores the more likely factors which include, among others,
that the planet is simply in a warming trend, which it has been for several
thousand years.

What disturbs me, Jon, is that I haven't seen anything from you about
cleaning up the planet. Or don't you care?

Max

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:25:48 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

"It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt,"
he said.


Well, if that's what you believe, I suggest you pollute for all your
worth.

While I'm something of an agnostic on the whole GW thing, it's hard
to miss
the fact that there's a high correlation between those pushing its
cause and
those who historically have insisted on regulating others' behavior
and
reaching into others' pockets to pay for their own pet causes of one
sort or
another.


Its all about following the money. The GW enthusiasts have created a
panic against which they can get gov't grants to do research $$ and
contracts to develop solutions to the synthesized problem.

GW has been with us for the past 18,000 years. So which factory or
auto emission started that warming trend before the Egyptians figured
out which way to align the pyramids?

CO2 levels are rising. That's what happens when it gets warmer and
the bacteria get more active. The fact that our current CO2 levels
"appear" greater than those in the ice core samples is easily
explained by the outgassing of CO2 from the ice over thousands of
years. The same reason carbonated water goes flat if its left in the
glass for hours.

Glacial retreat? That's what happens when the earth emerges from an
ice age.

Thirty years ago, the cry was that the earth was cooling and that we
were pushing it back into an ice age.



We wouldn't want you to be fooled by appearence...

Nor would we want you to be, despite the fact that you have been.

Max



The fact is that man is the primary reason for the increase in carbon in
the atmosphere. We need to deal with it asap.

On this you and I agree completely. In fact I couldn't agree more. But
please don't expect me to believe that the increase in atmospheric co2 is
the prime reason our planet is warming. The evidence for that is nebulous
at best, and ignores the more likely factors which include, among others,
that the planet is simply in a warming trend, which it has been for
several thousand years.

What disturbs me, Jon, is that I haven't seen anything from you about
cleaning up the planet. Or don't you care?

Max



Yeah, I don't care. Simple isn't it. Does that make you feel better? I'm
sure we wouldn't want to disturb you. g

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Yeah, I don't care. Simple isn't it. Does that make you feel better? I'm
sure we wouldn't want to disturb you. g


That has seemed clear for many of your posts. It appears that you only
want to complain and take an unsupported and highly radical view.

"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Maxprop" wrote in message



Yeah, I don't care. Simple isn't it. Does that make you feel better? I'm
sure we wouldn't want to disturb you. g


That has seemed clear for many of your posts. It appears that you only
want to complain and take an unsupported and highly radical view.



I was trying to make you feel better... and this is the thanks I get!
Sheesh...

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Cessna 310" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:25:48 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

"It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt,"
he said.


Well, if that's what you believe, I suggest you pollute for all your
worth.

While I'm something of an agnostic on the whole GW thing, it's hard
to miss
the fact that there's a high correlation between those pushing its
cause and
those who historically have insisted on regulating others' behavior
and
reaching into others' pockets to pay for their own pet causes of one
sort or
another.


Its all about following the money. The GW enthusiasts have created a
panic against which they can get gov't grants to do research $$ and
contracts to develop solutions to the synthesized problem.

GW has been with us for the past 18,000 years. So which factory or
auto emission started that warming trend before the Egyptians figured
out which way to align the pyramids?

CO2 levels are rising. That's what happens when it gets warmer and
the bacteria get more active. The fact that our current CO2 levels
"appear" greater than those in the ice core samples is easily
explained by the outgassing of CO2 from the ice over thousands of
years. The same reason carbonated water goes flat if its left in the
glass for hours.

Glacial retreat? That's what happens when the earth emerges from an
ice age.

Thirty years ago, the cry was that the earth was cooling and that we
were pushing it back into an ice age.



We wouldn't want you to be fooled by appearence...

Nor would we want you to be, despite the fact that you have been.

Max



The fact is that man is the primary reason for the increase in carbon in
the atmosphere. We need to deal with it asap.

On this you and I agree completely. In fact I couldn't agree more. But
please don't expect me to believe that the increase in atmospheric co2 is
the prime reason our planet is warming. The evidence for that is nebulous
at best, and ignores the more likely factors which include, among others,
that the planet is simply in a warming trend, which it has been for
several thousand years.

What disturbs me, Jon, is that I haven't seen anything from you about
cleaning up the planet. Or don't you care?

Max



Oh, I forgot to mention that I have solar panels on the house... payback is
about 12 years. Cash flow neutral for the year, cash flow slightly positive
during the summer, spring, fall. Changed most of the lightbulbs to compact
fluorescents. Installed low-e windows throughout. Contribute to the "green"
energy program from the local utility. Improved the house insulation
dramatically, including using cellulose vs. fiberglass in the attic, and
installed radiant barrier. Switched the dryer from electric to gas... more
efficient, less expensive. I think I turned on the AC four times last
summer. I'm not ready to buy a hybrid car just yet, which will be the next
major update in the attempt to be as carbon neutral as possible. And, I have
three vehicles, but the good news is that two don't get driven much. Also, I
volunteer with a environmentally oriented group, which does local cleanups
of the bay....

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Oh, I forgot to mention that I have solar panels on the house... payback
is about 12 years. Cash flow neutral for the year, cash flow slightly
positive during the summer, spring, fall. Changed most of the lightbulbs
to compact fluorescents. Installed low-e windows throughout. Contribute to
the "green" energy program from the local utility. Improved the house
insulation dramatically, including using cellulose vs. fiberglass in the
attic, and installed radiant barrier. Switched the dryer from electric to
gas... more efficient, less expensive. I think I turned on the AC four
times last summer. I'm not ready to buy a hybrid car just yet, which will
be the next major update in the attempt to be as carbon neutral as
possible. And, I have three vehicles, but the good news is that two don't
get driven much.

Good for you--you are energy conscious. But do you use disposable food
containers--plastic milk bottles, cardboard boxes, plastic condiment
containers, etc.? If so you're contributing to the pollution of the planet.
I realize that foods don't come in reusable containers any longer, but such
things should be considered unless we want to be knee-deep in refuse some
day. Do you change your car's oil? If so, what do you do with the oil?
What do you do with discarded oil filters and air filters?

Also, I volunteer with a environmentally oriented group, which does local
cleanups of the bay....

A good start.

Max

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Oh, I forgot to mention that I have solar panels on the house... payback
is about 12 years. Cash flow neutral for the year, cash flow slightly
positive during the summer, spring, fall. Changed most of the lightbulbs
to compact fluorescents. Installed low-e windows throughout. Contribute
to the "green" energy program from the local utility. Improved the house
insulation dramatically, including using cellulose vs. fiberglass in the
attic, and installed radiant barrier. Switched the dryer from electric to
gas... more efficient, less expensive. I think I turned on the AC four
times last summer. I'm not ready to buy a hybrid car just yet, which will
be the next major update in the attempt to be as carbon neutral as
possible. And, I have three vehicles, but the good news is that two don't
get driven much.

Good for you--you are energy conscious. But do you use disposable food
containers--plastic milk bottles, cardboard boxes, plastic condiment
containers, etc.? If so you're contributing to the pollution of the
planet. I realize that foods don't come in reusable containers any longer,
but such things should be considered unless we want to be knee-deep in
refuse some day. Do you change your car's oil? If so, what do you do
with the oil? What do you do with discarded oil filters and air filters?

Also, I volunteer with a environmentally oriented group, which does local
cleanups of the bay....

A good start.

Max



A quick response... then I'm outta here to go sailing for a couple of
hours...

Use some recycled food containers... best you can do without washing out
ziplocks. Recycle cardboard boxes, etc. via the recycling program or
craigslist. I use synthetic oil in all the cars. Change the oil every 20K or
so. The air filter doesn't need to be tossed.. can be reused. A good start I
suppose. I could do more.

I wonder how many people here actually do this sort of stuff.


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