In article ,
katy wrote:
It's a bummer when those pesky facts just pop out of nowhere. g


The reality is that the former Bush adminsitration called for a stufdy
to lessen the costs of health care by systemizing an el;ectronic billing
system for insurance companies so that only one code book and one set of
diagnosis values would be used, thus streamlinging the medical insurance
business. In comes the bureaucrats, saying "Ah! but what about
privacy???" Need we remind you that those people were Democrats? Like I
said, I have a very close friend, a well known health care lobbyist, who
worked in the HEW Dept during the Reagan years who was in on the
initiative...What started out as a cost cutting effort turned into a
fisco...it's all there in the facts...just Google Hisotry of HIPAA....

Yeah, to hell with privacy. We don't need it.


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* katy wrote, On 4/18/2007 12:44 PM:
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article ,
Jeff wrote:

The Privacy and Security provisions of HIPPA were passed by a
Republican Congress and signed by a Republican President.

And are you seriously saying that the NRA (or anyone else) would
support a law that encouraged a psychiatrist to put a note in your
FBI file that you're being treated for depression and therefore
cannot be trusted?


It's a bummer when those pesky facts just pop out of nowhere. g


The reality is that the former Bush adminsitration called for a stufdy
to lessen the costs of health care by systemizing an el;ectronic billing
system for insurance companies so that only one code book and one set of
diagnosis values would be used, thus streamlinging the medical insurance
business. In comes the bureaucrats, saying "Ah! but what about
privacy???" Need we remind you that those people were Democrats?

Why do you have to remind us? Why is it a given that anything you
don't like was done by a liberal Democrat? The truth is that the
final version of the privacy and security provisions were voted
approved by a Congress that had been Republican for 6 years. So what
are you claiming, that Democrats infiltrated and subverted the
Republican party?

Like I
said, I have a very close friend, a well known health care lobbyist, who
worked in the HEW Dept during the Reagan years who was in on the
initiative...What started out as a cost cutting effort turned into a
fisco...it's all there in the facts...just Google Hisotry of HIPAA....

A fiasco it may be, I can't say. I can say that there are a number of
nice things about it, like being guaranteed I won't lose coverage when
changing jobs.

And I'll repeat the issue relevant to the current situation: Are you
claiming that a person who voluntarily gets treated for depression
should have that put on his FBI record so they are flagged forever as
someone who can't get a gun? In the case of Cho, if he involuntarily
been committed for observation, it would have been possible to flag
his file. But since it was voluntary, it simply isn't appropriate.

I don't know what could have been done different in this case. But I
certainly don't think answer is to share all of our medical records
with the police. And claiming that its only the "Liberals" that
prevent us from doing that is, well, rather bizarre!

In article ,
katy wrote:
Ben & Jerry`s Homemade, Inc.
Bennett R. Cohen Chrm. & CEO
Rte. 100, Box 240
Waterbury, VT 05676
(802) 244-5641
www.benjerry.com
Ice cream and frozen yogurt

Wow... compared to Halliburton. You got me there!

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In article ,
Edgar wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
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Hate to tell you, but he probably had mental problems. Are you
advocating locking those people up before they do anything?

That is exactly what the British Government is planning to do.
I sincerely hope thay can not get this scheme through Parliament.

We had them in mental institutions until Reagan came along.

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In article ,
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article ,
katy wrote:
Ben & Jerry`s Homemade, Inc.
Bennett R. Cohen Chrm. & CEO
Rte. 100, Box 240
Waterbury, VT 05676
(802) 244-5641
www.benjerry.com
Ice cream and frozen yogurt

Wow... compared to Halliburton. You got me there!

Well, you guys fight it out... I'm going to the Stritly Sail show in
Oakland. I'm gonna leave my gun in the car.





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katy wrote:

Martin Baxter wrote:
Maxprop wrote:. Many small


Just another isolated example of a government that is broken and no fix in
sight. And you want this government to control the proliferation of guns.
LOL.


HIPPA was enacted Aug. 1996, you've had a Replican House, Senate and
President for something over half the time the Act has been in effect.
If it's so bad why hasn't it been repealled or amended?

Cheers
Marty

Becasue the hue and cry of the liverals over the right of privacy (which
existed prior to HIPPA) makes it a deadlocked issue...passing it was a
concession to get through the federal ID program for diagnosis and
billing, which went from being a money saving proposal to becoming a
bugaboo under the volumes of procedure needed to run the HIPPA program...

You guys, (Max, Katy, Dave) begin to sound somewhat paranoid. You chant
"Liberal" about every perceived problem, using the term in like it was
the most vile depraved thing a human could be. The word you should be
chanting is "Politician", in the grand scheme of things there really
isn't that huge of range from your mainstream political left to
mainstream political right. The common thread to all legislation is
politicians and their machinations, which far too often are driven by
greed, enough money can make most of them sit on whichever side of the
fence pleases the funds provider.

Marty (sick of being lied to by politicians)

Can you explain how this person under treatment for depression managed
to buy a gun from a gunshop if your system works?

because people were being nice and making it part of his official
record instead of saying 'this guy is a psycho and needs to be locked
up'.

It's all about feelings with liberals. It's all about reality with
libertarians.


HAHAHAHAHA that is freaking awesome Max. Today you are my favorite
person.

Bill

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:48:37 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:51:59 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
m...
On 17 Apr 2007 12:24:24 -0700, Bill
scribbled thusly:

Before proper gun control is instituted.....or are you really that
afraid of everything?

Yes lets blame the gun. it's the guns fault those people are dead,
not the person who knowingly killed them. Nope if holding that gun
was illegal he would have never done it I mean KILLING people isn't
illegal or anything. Plus it's always a good idea to restrict the
freedoms of people out of fear and control. It really doen't help
make people safer just gives that illusion. Do you know who were huge
supporters of gun control? Hitler, Stalin, Polpot and Mussilini. The
people thought just like you, that it would make them safer and give
them a better more civilized country. But that's somehow different.
Robbing you of freedoms is okay if the people are to stupid to realize
it like in your country. Most Americans are to and that really
bothers me. You shouldn't have to justify the desire to own a gun.
You shouldn't have to justify anything here that does not harm
others. My gun has never killed or harmed another person. I own it
legally and I shouldn't have to tell you why. I own many things that
I don't "need" but i still have them. I have some kitchen knives that
could kill someone but I don't have to register those.

Oh and byt he way assult rifles are illegal. The definition of an
assault rifle keeps changing bbut any fully automatic machine gun has
been illegal since 1934 here. To me that's more than enough
regulation but sadly there are plenty of other laws. The liberal
dip****s don't care about helping people they only care about passing
useless laws to make it look like they are doing something important
when they are doing nothing. In California, the gun control laws are
aimed at the apperance of the gun. They don't want someone to be shot
with something that looks scary. In the mean tim ethey are making
prison sentences shorter and letting a lot more murderers go free.
Yep it's the guns fault not the person that did the act. hey maybe
gun is out robbing a bank right now without me even knowing it.


Nope, blame a system which allows someone who is under treatment for
depression yet can walk up to the counter in a gunshop, slap down a
credit card and walk out with a pistol and ammunition...no check, no
wait...

The scenario you state isn't possible. The federal government mandates
a
wait and background check. But what difference does it make. He could
walk
into any of a thousand sectors of virtually any city in the country and
walk
out with a handgun that's not traceable to anyone. And he'll probably
pay
a
fraction for it compared with the legally-obtained one.

Max


Can you explain how this person under treatment for depression managed
to buy a gun from a gunshop if your system works?

I didn't imply the system works--only that the scenario you related was
impossible.

But yet you state below taht the system doesn't work, so it may indeed
be very possible....No?

Oddly enough, the one set of laws that get close scrutiny are those that
affect legal gun dealers. BATFE agents have a reputation for using straw
man tactics to entrap dealers. Most dealers are savvy to this and toe the
line rather closely.

Max

Maxprop wrote:
OzOne wrote in message ...

On 17 Apr 2007 12:24:24 -0700, Bill
scribbled thusly:


Before proper gun control is instituted.....or are you really that
afraid of everything?

Yes lets blame the gun. it's the guns fault those people are dead,
not the person who knowingly killed them.


Guns don't kill people, people do? How many people do you think he would
have killed if he tried to use two knives, instead of two guns? Or two
clubs, or two brass knuckles? Or two pairs of scissors? Staple guns?
Machetes?

Jim