"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article ,
katy wrote:
Polls? You believe polls? How about Santa CLause, the Easter Bunny and
the Tooth Fairy, too, while you're at it? No, I have no belief in
polls. They are slanted to the poll developers slant. And I am not an
innocent...I am well aware of what goes on in the world.

How do you propose we find out what the public wants if we don't use
polls? Are all the polls wrong or just the ones you don't like?

We, as a population, are over-polled. Polls are conducted for anything
these days. We poll the people to see how often they have sex, what brand
of peanut butter they buy, who in Hollywood they find appealing, etc. ad
nauseum. I tend to believe people are dishonest or disinterested w/r/t
being polled. The proof of that is how radically and quickly polls of
identical issues can change virtually overnight.

Max

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:58:54 -0400, katy
scribbled thusly:


Why not start putting insane people back in the institutions where they
belong so they don't jeopardize the lives and welfare of others? Turns
out the guy was clincally diagnosed and was referred by the university
for counseling becasue his creative writing assignments were so
disturbing that the instructor was concerned. And it is the
Constitution, Jon...obviously the American people have not come to a
different conclusion about that or they'd make the quorum to change it...

Cool init...he was being treated for depression yet was able to walk
into the local gunship and buy a Glock .........

Anyone for effective gun control?

Sure. Please describe "effective" gun control, and please bear in mind that
this is the USA and not Oz.

Max

katy wrote:
OzOne wrote:

Before proper gun control is instituted.....or are you really that
afraid of everything?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.


Has nothing to do with gun control unless he purchased the guns at a gun
show, which does need reform.......has everything to do with how kids
are raised...an interesting statistic was mentioned on CNN yesterday by
an FBI profiler...the majority of college shootings are done by young
Asian men...the assumption made is that they do not understand other
cutures, are pressed for achievement, and flip out...Jim Jones used
grape KoolAid to kill off his clan..

Correction. - Jim Jones used grape KoolAid PLUS a band of thugs carrying
automatic rifles, whose job was to shot anyone who didn't happen to
like grape KoolAid.

As to other forms of "weapons," none of them are as effective and
convenient and reliable as a firearm.

Jim

Jim

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...
I tend to believe people are dishonest or disinterested w/r/t being
polled. The proof of that is how radically and quickly polls of
identical issues can change virtually overnight.

Max


You're right. Just remember how fast they changed from communism to
capitalism under Lech Walesa . . .

Wilbur Hubbard

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...
Sure. Please describe "effective" gun control, and please bear in
mind that this is the USA and not Oz.


Just wait til Ozone tries to go back home. He's liable to be locked out.
I read over the weekend where Australia is no longer allowing anybody
with AIDS into the country . . .

Wilbur Hubbard

OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:45:14 -0400, katy
scribbled thusly:


I just read that...IMO , whether someone is a permanent resident or not,
non-citizens have no right to have a gun....that needs to be rectified...



Whoa?
What is it that puts a non citizen in a position where he is unable to
defend himself when you claim that right?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.

Because it's our reffing country, that's why....if you want to play the
American way, tehn become an American....otherwise don't expect the
perks without the paying the price...

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

In article ,
katy wrote:

Why not... good idea. Too bad Reagan didn't think so. Someone
clinically depressed certainly should be restricted from easy access
to guns. Hate to tell you, but the majority of Americans favor more
strick gun control...

Obviously, you don't have the facts...

Some polls:

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLI...uns/index.html



If that were really so, then there would be legislation...after all, we
are goventment by the people for the people...if what you say was RALLY
true, then the people would rise up and do something about it...if a
person says they're against something, but does nothing to change it and
sits in apathy, then they are really not agaisnt it...they just like to
blat their mouths off with an opinion...I think the more valid statistic
would be that most Americans just don't give a crap...if they did,
they'd do something...


I know you're a very innocent person, but do you dispute the polls? Do
you think the NRA is just going to lie down and let Congress regulate
their business without a fight? They pour millions into their hands
everytime a piece of legislation that would restrict their business
shows up.


Why would the NRA oppose such regulation? Doesn't the Second Amendment
say: "A well-REGULATED militia being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed?" (Incidentally, the judge who stated that a "well-REGULATED
militia" is simply "the people" was full of BS. - That position has
never been upheld by the Supreme Court or any of the Courts of Appeal
for the Federal Circuits in the past 150 years.)

Also, where did anyone get the idea that the 2nd Amendment applies only
to rifles and handguns? If we are talking seriously about "the people"
safeguarding the security of a free State today (in 2007), they are
going to need howitzers, rocket launched grenades, tanks, antimissile
systems, aircraft, nukes, nuclear subs, laser weaponry, etc. - At least
that's what's needed according to the US armed services. - Do "the
people" have a Second Amendment right to use any of these they can pay
for? - "Patriots' citizens militias", perhaps? If the Second Amendment
protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but only with respect to
rifles and/or handguns or other easily carried weapons, what
precedents or case law are you relying on?

Anyone want to talk about "personal" vs "collective" rights? Have at
it! (Please don't throw me into that briar patch.)

Jim

OzOne wrote in message
...


Just going on this statement reported here
"uthorities found a receipt for a Glock 9 millimetre
handgun, bought
last month, in Cho's backpack which also contained two
knives and a
cache of bullets, ABC reported.


TWO KNIVES !!!!! I'm outraged!
TWO KNIVES? Why does a person NEED two knives?
I say we limit each person to ONE knife. Non citizens can
own no knives.
Without knives there can be no stabbings, or cuts.

WE NEED KNIFE CONTROL NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:57:24 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:58:54 -0400, katy
scribbled thusly:


Why not start putting insane people back in the institutions where they
belong so they don't jeopardize the lives and welfare of others? Turns
out the guy was clincally diagnosed and was referred by the university
for counseling becasue his creative writing assignments were so
disturbing that the instructor was concerned. And it is the
Constitution, Jon...obviously the American people have not come to a
different conclusion about that or they'd make the quorum to change
it...

Cool init...he was being treated for depression yet was able to walk
into the local gunship and buy a Glock .........

Anyone for effective gun control?

Sure. Please describe "effective" gun control, and please bear in mind
that
this is the USA and not Oz.

Max


Umm Max, that is for your responsible citizens and authorities to
decide but the US is not the wild west...and you would be well advised
to begin some national measures rather that state ones for starters

National measures such as those which outlaw illicit drugs? How about those
that outlawed abortion back in the 60s and 70s? Or Prohibition? Those have
been terribly effective, haven't they?

And we'd be well-advised by whom? Australians, such as John Howard, who
chided the USA today for lacking any meaningful gun control? Offhand I
don't recall our President deriding Australia for it laws or lack thereof.
Does arrogance run rampant among the government in your country?

Max

OzOne wrote in message ...


Whoa?
What is it that puts a non citizen in a position where he is unable to
defend himself when you claim that right?

The US Constitution. It applies to citizens, not aliens.

Max