"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:

Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to
me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a
whole people or country.

Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and
yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the
world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the
stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand
come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding
immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here
2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that
you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not
send money back to your parent country


So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a
whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease.

1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the
language *before* they arrived.
2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have a
valuable or needed skill or trade? Who determines this?
3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect.
4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me.

I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so
sure.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Capt. JG wrote:

Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to
me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a
whole people or country.


Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and
yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the
world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the
stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand
come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding
immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here
2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that
you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not
send money back to your parent country



So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a
whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease.

Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own
country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches
that do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it...

1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the
language *before* they arrived.

No..but we should have...

2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have a
valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have skills we don't need...if their
skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint
people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own
countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills...
Who determines this?
Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it
these days...

3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect.
4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me.

Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to
work here, not somewhere else.

I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so
sure.

No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they
value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy
come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we
ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has
their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal
ready to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me
and they are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that
happens, it's time to shut the gates.

"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Capt. JG wrote:

Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to
me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a
whole people or country.


Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and
yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the
world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the
stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand
come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding
immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here
2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that
you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not
send money back to your parent country



So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a
whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease.

Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own
country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that
do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it...

1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the
language *before* they arrived.

No..but we should have...

2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have
a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have
skills we don't need...if their
skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint
people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own
countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills...
Who determines this?
Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it
these days...

3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect.
4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me.

Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to
work here, not somewhere else.

I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so
sure.

No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they
value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy
come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we
ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has
their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal ready
to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and they
are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's
time to shut the gates.



No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people. You're
also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Capt. JG wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
...


Capt. JG wrote:


Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to
me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a
whole people or country.


Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and
yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the
world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the
stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand
come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding
immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here
2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that
you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not
send money back to your parent country



So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a
whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease.

Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own
country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that
do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it...

1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the
language *before* they arrived.

No..but we should have...


2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have
a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have
skills we don't need...if their

skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint
people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own
countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills...
Who determines this?
Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it
these days...


3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect.
4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me.

Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to
work here, not somewhere else.

I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so
sure.

No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they
value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy
come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we
ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has
their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal ready
to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and they
are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's
time to shut the gates.



No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people. You're
also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world.


Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to
that. I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people
walk all over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you
read my reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for
them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans
have to go to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come
here and reap the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to
keep the popyulation down in this country so we can be more
self-sustaining the first place we should turn to is the open door. It
should be shut. Like I said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible
organizations that do finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they
do...help them make that country habitable again...but letting them all
come here is not an answer for anyone and if you don't see that then
you're blind. Other countries have closed their doors and made it
possible for only a few to enter...do you think if you pulled up stakes
and decided all of a sudden to become an Australian they would just let
you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not Japanese...Korea
won't..you're not Korean...

"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Capt. JG wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
...


Capt. JG wrote:


Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad
attitude to me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we
can right-off a whole people or country.


Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are
diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the
saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low
end of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits
as to who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules
regarding immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English
BEFORE you come here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or
trade 3 you must show that you can and will provide for anyone you
bring in with you 4 you may not send money back to your parent
country



So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write
off a whole people, a whole country because of a preventable
disease.

Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own
country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches
that do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it...

1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to
speak the language *before* they arrived.

No..but we should have...


2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't
have a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they
may have skills we don't need...if their

skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint
people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own
countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills...
Who determines this?
Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it
these days...


3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect.
4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me.

Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has
to work here, not somewhere else.

I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not
so sure.

No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because
they value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free
society, tehy come here because they want what we have...they don't
want what we ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then
fine...everyone has their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a
gimpu crybaby liberal ready to save the whole world...I can only save
what is closest to me and they are being threatened by the rest of
the world..when that happens, it's time to shut the gates.



No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people.
You're also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world.


Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to
that. I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people
walk all over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you
read my reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief
for them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should
AMericans have to go to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that
others can come here and reap the benefits our ancestors laid down for
us? If we need to keep the popyulation down in this country so we can
be more self-sustaining the first place we should turn to is the open
door. It should be shut. Like I said, there are plenty of agencies
and chartible organizations that do finr jobs...back them...reinforce
what they do...help them make that country habitable again...but
letting them all come here is not an answer for anyone and if you
don't see that then you're blind. Other countries have closed their
doors and made it possible for only a few to enter...do you think if
you pulled up stakes and decided all of a sudden to become an
Australian they would just let you in? Japan certainly won't...you're
not Japanese...Korea won't..you're not Korean...


Germany will let him in. He's a net Nazi!

Wilbur Hubbard

On Mar 29, 4:32 pm, katy wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Capt. JG wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
...

Capt. JG wrote:

Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to
me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a
whole people or country.

Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are diseased...and
yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the
world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the
stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who cand
come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding
immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come here
2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show that
you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may not
send money back to your parent country

So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a
whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease.

Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own
country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that
do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it...

1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak the
language *before* they arrived.

No..but we should have...

2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have
a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have
skills we don't need...if their

skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint
people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own
countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills...
Who determines this?
Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it
these days...

3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect.
4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me.

Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to
work here, not somewhere else.

I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so
sure.

No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they
value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy
come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we
ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has
their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal ready
to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and they
are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's
time to shut the gates.

No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people. You're
also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world.

Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to
that. I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people
walk all over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you
read my reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for
them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans
have to go to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come
here and reap the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to
keep the popyulation down in this country so we can be more
self-sustaining the first place we should turn to is the open door. It
should be shut. Like I said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible
organizations that do finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they
do...help them make that country habitable again...but letting them all
come here is not an answer for anyone and if you don't see that then
you're blind. Other countries have closed their doors and made it
possible for only a few to enter...do you think if you pulled up stakes
and decided all of a sudden to become an Australian they would just let
you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not Japanese...Korea
won't..you're not Korean...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Jon's in California, they can not get by with out cheap illegal
mexican labor. Who would clean anything?

Here is a typical High School picture in California :

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/...idedown004.jpg

Notice the American flag the students raised on the school flag pole?
Tells you just what many immigrant think about Old Glory and what they
want.

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 29, 4:32 pm, katy wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Capt. JG wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
...

Capt. JG wrote:

Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude
to
me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off
a
whole people or country.

Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are
diseased...and
yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the
world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the
stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who
cand
come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding
immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come
here
2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show
that
you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may
not
send money back to your parent country

So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off
a
whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease.

Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own
country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches
that
do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it...

1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak
the
language *before* they arrived.

No..but we should have...

2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't
have
a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may
have
skills we don't need...if their

skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint
people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own
countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills...
Who determines this?
Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it
these days...

3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect.
4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me.

Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to
work here, not somewhere else.

I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not
so
sure.

No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they
value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society,
tehy
come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we
ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone
has
their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal
ready
to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and
they
are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's
time to shut the gates.

No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people.
You're
also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world.

Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to
that. I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people
walk all over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you
read my reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for
them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans
have to go to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come
here and reap the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to
keep the popyulation down in this country so we can be more
self-sustaining the first place we should turn to is the open door. It
should be shut. Like I said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible
organizations that do finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they
do...help them make that country habitable again...but letting them all
come here is not an answer for anyone and if you don't see that then
you're blind. Other countries have closed their doors and made it
possible for only a few to enter...do you think if you pulled up stakes
and decided all of a sudden to become an Australian they would just let
you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not Japanese...Korea
won't..you're not Korean...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Jon's in California, they can not get by with out cheap illegal
mexican labor. Who would clean anything?


I'm sure you'd be quite good at being a busboy.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Mar 29, 5:19 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

oups.com...





On Mar 29, 4:32 pm, katy wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Capt. JG wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
...

Capt. JG wrote:

Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude
to
me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off
a
whole people or country.

Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are
diseased...and
yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the saviors of the
world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end of the
stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to who
cand
come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding
immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come
here
2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must show
that
you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4 you may
not
send money back to your parent country

So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off
a
whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease.

Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own
country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches
that
do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it...

1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak
the
language *before* they arrived.

No..but we should have...

2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't
have
a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may
have
skills we don't need...if their

skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint
people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own
countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills...
Who determines this?
Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it
these days...

3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect.
4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me.

Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to
work here, not somewhere else.

I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not
so
sure.

No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they
value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society,
tehy
come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we
ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone
has
their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal
ready
to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and
they
are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens, it's
time to shut the gates.

No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people.
You're
also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world.

Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to
that. I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people
walk all over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you
read my reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for
them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans
have to go to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come
here and reap the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to
keep the popyulation down in this country so we can be more
self-sustaining the first place we should turn to is the open door. It
should be shut. Like I said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible
organizations that do finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they
do...help them make that country habitable again...but letting them all
come here is not an answer for anyone and if you don't see that then
you're blind. Other countries have closed their doors and made it
possible for only a few to enter...do you think if you pulled up stakes
and decided all of a sudden to become an Australian they would just let
you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not Japanese...Korea
won't..you're not Korean...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Jon's in California, they can not get by with out cheap illegal
mexican labor. Who would clean anything?

I'm sure you'd be quite good at being a busboy.

--
"j" ganz - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You are correct, but I make more working the deep fryer.

Joe

"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Capt. JG wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
...


Capt. JG wrote:


Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to
me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a
whole people or country.


Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are
diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the
saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end
of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to
who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding
immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come
here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must
show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4
you may not send money back to your parent country



So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a
whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease.

Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own
country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that
do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it...

1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak
the language *before* they arrived.

No..but we should have...


2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have
a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have
skills we don't need...if their

skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint
people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own
countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills...
Who determines this?
Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it
these days...


3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect.
4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me.

Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to
work here, not somewhere else.

I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so
sure.

No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they
value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy
come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we
ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has
their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal
ready to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and
they are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens,
it's time to shut the gates.



No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people.
You're also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world.


Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to that.
I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people walk all
over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you read my
reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for them IN
THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans have to go
to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come here and reap
the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to keep the
popyulation down in this country so we can be more self-sustaining the
first place we should turn to is the open door. It should be shut. Like I
said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible organizations that do
finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they do...help them make that
country habitable again...but letting them all come here is not an answer
for anyone and if you don't see that then you're blind. Other countries
have closed their doors and made it possible for only a few to enter...do
you think if you pulled up stakes and decided all of a sudden to become an
Australian they would just let you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not
Japanese...Korea won't..you're not Korean...


How are *you* being taken advantage of by Haitians? Non-reproduction? Huh?


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Diseased? Who are you talking about? Sure seems like a bad attitude to
me. While we certainly have problems, I don't think we can right-off a
whole people or country.


Have you looked at the statistics for Haiti, Jon? They are
diseased...and yes, we can write off whole peoples...we are not the
saviors of the world...every time we try to be we end up at the low end
of the stick...yes, I do believe we should set specific limits as to
who cand come to this country..aand there should be rules regarding
immigration...number 1 rule you must speak English BEFORE you come
here 2you must have a valuable or needed skill or trade 3 you must
show that you can and will provide for anyone you bring in with you 4
you may not send money back to your parent country



So, just to be sure I read this right.... you're willing to write off a
whole people, a whole country because of a preventable disease.

Yep...if it's so treatable then they should be treated in their own
country, not ours...there are plenty of social agencies and churches that
do outreach in Haiti...let them get to it...


1) I don't believe we've ever had a law that said people had to speak
the language *before* they arrived.

No..but we should have...



2) What makes you certain that immigrants from poor countries don't have
a valuable or needed skill or trade? They might have..ort they may have
skills we don't need...if their

skills are not needed here then they can't come in...I am not agasint
people training here to gain skills to take back to thier own
countries...but they must leave when they have attained the skills...
Who determines this?
Dept of Immigration and Naturalization or whatever they're calling it
these days...



3) I believe that we already have this critieria in effect.
4) You can't send money back? Zero? Seems pretty harsh to me.

Too bad, so sad. If you want to be an American, then your money has to
work here, not somewhere else.


I'm truly shocked. You seemed like a fair-minded person. Now I'm not so
sure.

No, I'm saick and tired of it a;;...people copme here not because they
value our philosophy, or becasue they want to be in a free society, tehy
come here because they want what we have...they don't want what we
ARE....if they can prove they want what we ARE, then fine...everyone has
their limit...I've reached mine and I am not a gimpu crybaby liberal
ready to save the whole world...I can only save what is closest to me and
they are being threatened by the rest of the world..when that happens,
it's time to shut the gates.



No. You're a mean-spirited person if you write off an entire people.
You're also an isolationist, which is unworkable in todays world.



Not mean spirited and anyone who knows me personally will attest to that.
I am tired of being taken advantage of as a countyry. Let people walk all
over you long enough and you turn into a dorrmat. And if you read my
reply, youwould see that I am entirely for providing relief for them IN
THEIR OWN COUNTRIES...WHERE THEY BELONG! Why should AMericans have to go
to reat lengths of non-reproduction so that others can come here and reap
the benefits our ancestors laid down for us? If we need to keep the
popyulation down in this country so we can be more self-sustaining the
first place we should turn to is the open door. It should be shut. Like I
said, there are plenty of agencies and chartible organizations that do
finr jobs...back them...reinforce what they do...help them make that
country habitable again...but letting them all come here is not an answer
for anyone and if you don't see that then you're blind. Other countries
have closed their doors and made it possible for only a few to enter...do
you think if you pulled up stakes and decided all of a sudden to become an
Australian they would just let you in? Japan certainly won't...you're not
Japanese...Korea won't..you're not Korean...



How are *you* being taken advantage of by Haitians? Non-reproduction? Huh?


Because MY taxes that I pay go to their welfare if they stay instead of
to AMerican citizens who may truly need it....

non0reproduction...to not produce....so if we are so overcrowdsed that
we shouldn't be makin no more babies than why the heck are we letting
others in here???