In article .com,
Joe wrote:
Umm... you were making the point that you couldn't understand why they
didn't fight back. I said that the Iranians were probably well-armed.
Now, you say they were surrounded. Sounds like not dying was the right
thing to do. Do you not have a clue?


Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

And do you expect to loose every fight?

Using the word "every" basically means that you're ignoring what I
said.

Fingernail extraction before dis-honoring my country. Knowing my
commrades in arms are on they way to my rescue.

Easy to say Joe until you're the one in the hot seat.

Typical response if you don't value human life. So far, they haven't
killed or likely tortured anyone.

Typical bend over and take it liberal attitude.

Typical response when you've run out of logic... attack the messenger.

If we delt with Iran in 1979 then maybe hostage taking would not be so
popular.

Carter tried. Raygun attempted to bribe them.

Did you miss the part about calling ahead and letting them know the
targets so they can clear them?

Huh?

But, keep telling yourself he was if it makes you feel better.

Keep your blinders on Jon, if you think he was a honest guy willing to
live up the the surrender treaty he signed then go and keep thinking
that if it makes you feel better.

Never said Saddam was honest or willing to live up to his
commitments. There was never a surrender treaty.

We invaded Iraq based on lies and deception. The President and/or the
Vice-President conspired to out an undercover CIA agent to punish Joe
Wilson for speaking the truth. The Attorney General mislead Congress
about his involvement in the firing of federal prosecuters. Bush lied
about Rumsfeld. 1000s died, were horribly injured all because Bushco
was fixated on Saddam.

And, we attacked the Taliban and Al Queda in Afganistan. Nothing to do
with Iraq.

BTW, how come you're not so upset about the 100s of 1000s in Darfur
who are being killed by terrorists there? Or, do they not count
because they have darker skin?

Why? We didn't wait to invade Iraq because of the Kurds... at least
that's what the right-wing is now saying was the reason.

I'm waiting for France or Russia, or Germany, China, Japan, Mexico,
Cuba, or Canada to deal with Dufar.
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Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.



And do you expect to loose every fight?

Using the word "every" basically means that you're ignoring what I
said.

You said surrender, and loose.

Fingernail extraction before dis-honoring my country. Knowing my
commrades in arms are on they way to my rescue.

Easy to say Joe until you're the one in the hot seat.

Typical response if you don't value human life. So far, they haven't
killed or likely tortured anyone.

Typical bend over and take it liberal attitude.

Typical response when you've run out of logic... attack the messenger.

If we delt with Iran in 1979 then maybe hostage taking would not be so
popular.

Carter tried. Raygun attempted to bribe them.

Did you miss the part about calling ahead and letting them know the
targets so they can clear them?

Huh?

Damn Jon, if you can not follow a thread, then wait till you get home.
I said
"The whole operation was a major cluster F*&K Jon. A totally botched
snatch and grab, when we should have used overwhelming force. Flaten
a
few dozen palaces and see how fast they return hostages. You can even
call the assholes and give them enough warning to clear the target
site."



But, keep telling yourself he was if it makes you feel better.

Keep your blinders on Jon, if you think he was a honest guy willing to
live up the the surrender treaty he signed then go and keep thinking
that if it makes you feel better.

Never said Saddam was honest or willing to live up to his
commitments. There was never a surrender treaty.

We invaded Iraq based on lies and deception. The President and/or the
Vice-President conspired to out an undercover CIA agent to punish Joe
Wilson for speaking the truth. The Attorney General mislead Congress
about his involvement in the firing of federal prosecuters. Bush lied
about Rumsfeld. 1000s died, were horribly injured all because Bushco
was fixated on Saddam.

And, we attacked the Taliban and Al Queda in Afganistan. Nothing to do
with Iraq.

BTW, how come you're not so upset about the 100s of 1000s in Darfur
who are being killed by terrorists there? Or, do they not count
because they have darker skin?

Why? We didn't wait to invade Iraq because of the Kurds... at least
that's what the right-wing is now saying was the reason.

Why?, well maybe the folks in Dufar are not shooting missles at our
pilots in the NO FLY ZONE.
Maybe the folks in Dufar are not a clear and present danger to the
USA.

Whats wrong with other countries dealing with Dufar, they know we are
busy.

Joe

I'm waiting for France or Russia, or Germany, China, Japan, Mexico,
Cuba, or Canada to deal with Dufar.

--
Capt. JG

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
It's crazy. You would think a boat load of Brits could fend off a boat
load of Iran sailors.
Seems the America's are required not to be captured.

Strange too, they have the whole episode on radar and sat and know
they were not in Iran waters, but the Iranian's say they confessed to
being in Iraq waters. Rubber hose confessions I bet.

Blair needs to pop off 15 cruise missles now, and then give them
about one hour to release the crew or send in another 15 missles.

Joe

You are right ,Joe. This has happened before and it is high time we sorted
them out.
I spent some time in Iran (oilfields) before the religious nutters took
control and it was a quite nice country and the people were very friendly to
me when I spent a whole night in a railway compartment with them going from
south Iran to Teheran.
Some years later I spent a lot of time trying to set up a factory to make
our products in their country. Spoke at length with government officials,
lawyers, you name it, and got quite a long way towards success but it all
came to nothing when the French sent back to Iran the awful Ayotollah
Khomeini whom they had been looking after for years. Been downhill all the
way since then.
Don't blame the people of the country-only the ones who have siezed power.

On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1560788.ece
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

On Mar 26, 5:37 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:
On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

Hello Goofball, Hope all is well in Wales

Quick question: When is the last time six large vessels snuck up on
you at sea?

Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

Sheeeeze even here on the ship channel our USCG boats all have .50
cal's on the bows.
Your flag ship is sending people out to inspect maybe smugglers and
all they carry is side arms?
Man... if so.... thats screwed-up. I bet if Prince Harry was in charge
of that boarding party he would have taken out all 6 crappy little
revolutionary guard boats.

Joe

Joe wrote:
On Mar 26, 5:37 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:

On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:


On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "


Hello Goofball, Hope all is well in Wales

Quick question: When is the last time six large vessels snuck up on
you at sea?

Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

Sheeeeze even here on the ship channel our USCG boats all have .50
cal's on the bows.
Your flag ship is sending people out to inspect maybe smugglers and
all they carry is side arms?
Man... if so.... thats screwed-up. I bet if Prince Harry was in charge
of that boarding party he would have taken out all 6 crappy little
revolutionary guard boats.

Joe

If he wasn't too drunk at the time...
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2...C-RSSFeeds0312

The kid has a real substance abuse problem and should more likely be in
a rehab center than in the armed services...

On Mar 26, 7:15 pm, katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
On Mar 26, 5:37 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:

On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

Hello Goofball, Hope all is well in Wales

Quick question: When is the last time six large vessels snuck up on
you at sea?

Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

Sheeeeze even here on the ship channel our USCG boats all have .50
cal's on the bows.
Your flag ship is sending people out to inspect maybe smugglers and
all they carry is side arms?
Man... if so.... thats screwed-up. I bet if Prince Harry was in charge
of that boarding party he would have taken out all 6 crappy little
revolutionary guard boats.

Joe

If he wasn't too drunk at the time...http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2...C-RSSFeeds0312

The kid has a real substance abuse problem and should more likely be in
a rehab center than in the armed services...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

His only problem is he needs to vent a little steam, a tour of duty
will do him good.
If i had a pack of photographers chasing me around all the time, I'd
stumble on a few of them too.
Might even make it a habit if I were Harry. As he matures he will find
better ways to get even.

Joe

Joe wrote:
On Mar 26, 7:15 pm, katy wrote:

Joe wrote:

On Mar 26, 5:37 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:

On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

Hello Goofball, Hope all is well in Wales

Quick question: When is the last time six large vessels snuck up on
you at sea?

Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

Sheeeeze even here on the ship channel our USCG boats all have .50
cal's on the bows.
Your flag ship is sending people out to inspect maybe smugglers and
all they carry is side arms?
Man... if so.... thats screwed-up. I bet if Prince Harry was in charge
of that boarding party he would have taken out all 6 crappy little
revolutionary guard boats.

Joe

If he wasn't too drunk at the time...http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2...C-RSSFeeds0312

The kid has a real substance abuse problem and should more likely be in
a rehab center than in the armed services...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


His only problem is he needs to vent a little steam, a tour of duty
will do him good.
If i had a pack of photographers chasing me around all the time, I'd
stumble on a few of them too.
Might even make it a habit if I were Harry. As he matures he will find
better ways to get even.

Joe


Except that he's been at this particular game for about 4-5
years...being a royal does not excuse you from bad behavior...

On Mar 26, 8:44 pm, katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
On Mar 26, 7:15 pm, katy wrote:

Joe wrote:

On Mar 26, 5:37 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:

On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

Hello Goofball, Hope all is well in Wales

Quick question: When is the last time six large vessels snuck up on
you at sea?

Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

Sheeeeze even here on the ship channel our USCG boats all have .50
cal's on the bows.
Your flag ship is sending people out to inspect maybe smugglers and
all they carry is side arms?
Man... if so.... thats screwed-up. I bet if Prince Harry was in charge
of that boarding party he would have taken out all 6 crappy little
revolutionary guard boats.

Joe

If he wasn't too drunk at the time...http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2...C-RSSFeeds0312

The kid has a real substance abuse problem and should more likely be in
a rehab center than in the armed services...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

His only problem is he needs to vent a little steam, a tour of duty
will do him good.
If i had a pack of photographers chasing me around all the time, I'd
stumble on a few of them too.
Might even make it a habit if I were Harry. As he matures he will find
better ways to get even.

Joe

Except that he's been at this particular game for about 4-5
years...being a royal does not excuse you from bad behavior...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I do not consider his behavior "Bad".
He's like any other 20 something year old man, just under a
microscope.
He just graduated boot camp, and he's fixing to be shipped of to war.
I think he deserves a party night or two before heading to Iraq.

Being Royal in his case must be more of a pain in the ass then a
blessing.

Joe

In article .com,
Joe wrote:
On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

What's the matter Joe... so angry about the poor showing both in the
election and morally that you have to lash out?

And do you expect to loose every fight?

Using the word "every" basically means that you're ignoring what I
said.

You said surrender, and loose.

Never said loose... didn't even say lose. Never said EVERY.

Damn Jon, if you can not follow a thread, then wait till you get home.
I said
"The whole operation was a major cluster F*&K Jon. A totally botched
snatch and grab, when we should have used overwhelming force. Flaten
a
few dozen palaces and see how fast they return hostages. You can even
call the assholes and give them enough warning to clear the target
site."

Must have been Hillary's fault..

Why?, well maybe the folks in Dufar are not shooting missles at our
pilots in the NO FLY ZONE.
Maybe the folks in Dufar are not a clear and present danger to the
USA.

So, it's ok to attack a country that wasn't a threat to us, but it's
not ok to attack a country to save 2M lives.... got it.

Whats wrong with other countries dealing with Dufar, they know we are
busy.

Nothing, but they need leadership as you always like to point
out. We're busy because Bushco lied to us. So, not only are 1000s
dying in Iraq for no good reason, millions might die in Darfur. But,
we're busy, so I guess it's ok.
--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com