In article ,
Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:

On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1560788.ece
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

And they decided not to die needlessly. I guess they must be cowards
Joe.



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On Mar 26, 9:44 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:
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Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

And they decided not to die needlessly. I guess they must be cowards
Joe.


See there you go again Jon.
You assumed if they stood their ground they would die.
Why is that?

Joe




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In article .com,
Joe wrote:
On Mar 26, 9:44 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:
See there you go again Jon.
You assumed if they stood their ground they would die.
Why is that?

Out-numbered, out-gunned... those two things come to mind, but of
course I actually read about the incident.
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

Such unmitigated BS. Saddam and AQ are totally different. We should
have gone after the latter.

Why? If, as you left-wingnuts believe, the whole 9/11 attack scenario was a
ruse by the Bush Administration, what does al Qaeda have to do with
anything, other than taking credit for something they didn't do?

Max

In article ink.net,
Maxprop wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

Such unmitigated BS. Saddam and AQ are totally different. We should
have gone after the latter.

Why? If, as you left-wingnuts believe, the whole 9/11 attack scenario was a
ruse by the Bush Administration, what does al Qaeda have to do with
anything, other than taking credit for something they didn't do?

Huh? Do you need meds? When did I say that? Did Michael Moore, your
arch evil whipping boy say that? Who did exactly?
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On 26 Mar 2007 16:42:17 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 5:37 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:
On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

Hello Goofball, Hope all is well in Wales

Quick question: When is the last time six large vessels snuck up on
you at sea?

Not enough information to know what happened.


Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

No thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV_16PdWnBo

Sheeeeze even here on the ship channel our USCG boats all have .50
cal's on the bows.
Your flag ship is sending people out to inspect maybe smugglers and
all they carry is side arms?
Man... if so.... thats screwed-up. I bet if Prince Harry was in charge
of that boarding party he would have taken out all 6 crappy little
revolutionary guard boats.


The more you learn about the Royal family the more revolting they
appear to be..

On Mar 27, 8:05 am, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:
On 26 Mar 2007 16:42:17 -0700, "Joe" wrote:





On Mar 26, 5:37 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:
On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

Hello Goofball, Hope all is well in Wales

Quick question: When is the last time six large vessels snuck up on
you at sea?

Not enough information to know what happened.

I agree, but someone knew they were surrounded by 6 boats, or just
made it up. Something is messed up if you can have 6 boats sneek up on
you. I think the USA learned from the USS Cole not to allow anyone to
sneak up.. or run up at you at high speeds without challenging them.



Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

No thanks.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV_16PdWnBo

Tragic. But in a fluid situation such as war, when split seconds
count...accidents happen.

Here read this and think again:

LONDON (USMC, Europe) -- Many movies end with the hero appearing
before the emperor and being recognized for saving the galaxy.

Marine Maj. William D. Chesarek Jr. is no actor, but he did appear
before Queen Elizabeth II March 21 to receive the United Kingdom's
Distinguished Flying Cross at Buckingham Palace for saving lives and
in recognition for his bravery during combat operations in Iraq; the
first time for an American service member since World War II.

Assigned as an exchange officer with the UK's 847 Naval Air Squadron,
Commando Helicopter Force, based at Royal Naval Air Station Yeovilton
in Somerset, England, the U.S. Marine didn't fly into combat in a
space craft capable of warp speed or cloaking, but the UK's Lynx Mk7
helicopter; the aircraft he used to dodge insurgent's bullets and
rocket propelled grenades and employ it in unconventional ways.

Through flight school training at Pensacola, Fla. and Corpus Christi,
Texas he mastered the Marine Corps AH-1W Super Cobra helicopter; a two-
seater, rotary-winged aircraft armed with weaponry with names like
Hellfire, Sidewinder and Sidearm missiles.

Joining the UK squadron in 2005, he traded in the Super Cobra for the
Lynx.

"It's a very agile aircraft," said Chesareck, whose call sign is
Punchy. "Its maneuverability is significantly enhanced compared to a
Cobra. It's like comparing a Mustang to a Porsche. They're both great,
but different." Then describing how his stomach turned witnessing an
UK
pilot doing a full 360 degree flip in the Lynx.

Flying the evening of June 10, 2006, Chesarek wasn't doing flips with
his Lynx, but providing radio communication relay for UK ground troops
conducting a company-sized search operation in the vicinity of Al
Amarah, Iraq. Listening to radio transmissions he overheard that a
vehicle involved in the operation had became disabled and a crowd of
insurgents were now firing small arms and rocket propelled grenades at
the company.

According to his award citation, "Chesarek elected to fly low over the
area in an attempt to distract the crowd and if possible, to engage
the insurgents." Because of the close proximity of the crowd to the
ground troops, instead of engaging his onboard Lynx general purpose
machine gun, he "opted instead to provide bold, harassing, very low
level flight over the area in an attempt to disperse the crowd."

However, radio traffic from the ground told Chesarek he was now the
target and drawing small arms fire and a rocket propelled grenade had
just passed the rear of his aircraft.

This was not his first time in combat. He and his wife Christine, a
U.S. Navy nurse, had served simultaneously in Operation Iraqi Freedom
during the initial stages. But now in a different aircraft, with a
different purpose, things were different. Last month, Chesarek's UK
commander and his crew had been shot down flying in the same type of
aircraft.

"I had been in a couple of situations with troops in contact before,"
the 32-year-old Chesarek said. "I had a good idea of the kind of
potential danger involved, but now I was listening to the individual
commander on the ground. Some one was injured what can we do?"

Using his view from above, Chesarek applied his training as an
airborne forward air controller to coordinate, designate and control
fixed-wing assets in conducting close air support, resulting in the
dispersing the insurgents.

Considered an "implied mission," Chesarek made the unconventional move
to conduct a medical evacuation with the Lynx to help a UK soldier
with a life-threatening head injury. As the only aircraft available to
assist, he landed the Lynx in the vicinity of the company in distress
as his door gunner and another crew member jumped out.

"My door gunner jumped out and picked up the injured soldier and put
him in the helicopter," Chesarek said. "My other crewmember had to
stay or we would have been overweight to fly."

Now, nine months later, Chesarek's name echoed throughout the Ballroom
of Buckingham Palace as he was called before the queen to be
recognized and credited for "having a pivotal role in ensuring the
rapid evacuation of [a] badly injured soldier and the safe extraction
of the Company."

Donning his ceremonial uniform, Chesarek stood before the queen and
hundreds in attendance, to include his parents, wife and two-year-old
son, William. After Chesarek bowed, the custom when in front of her
majesty, she placed her Kingdom's level-three award for gallantry in
the air while on active operation against the enemy, upon his chest.
In light of his recognition, Chesarek reflected on his lost comrades
and brothers in arms.

"I am greatly honored and would like to accept this prestigious award
for 847 NAS in memory of Lt. Cmdr. Darren Chapman (Royal Navy), Capt.
David Dobson (Army Air Corps), and Marine Paul Collins (Royal
Marines), who were killed in action over Basrah in May 2006," said
Chesarek. "The awarded actions were only possible due to the combined
effort of my combat crew; Lt. David Williams (Royal Navy) and Lance
Cpl. Max Carter (Royal Marines). My greatest sense of achievement that
day is in knowing the ground troops all made it home."




Sheeeeze even here on the ship channel our USCG boats all have .50
cal's on the bows.
Your flag ship is sending people out to inspect maybe smugglers and
all they carry is side arms?
Man... if so.... thats screwed-up. I bet if Prince Harry was in charge
of that boarding party he would have taken out all 6 crappy little
revolutionary guard boats.

The more you learn about the Royal family the more revolting they
appear to be

I do not consider Harry or his brother revolting, nor your Queen.
Prince Charles is revolting maybe.

Joe

"Joe" wrote
: I do not consider Harry or his brother revolting, nor your Queen.
: Prince Charles is revolting maybe.

Their ancestors certainly thot mine were revolting grin.

On 27 Mar 2007 09:16:44 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

snip.

Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

No thanks.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV_16PdWnBo

Tragic. But in a fluid situation such as war, when split seconds
count...accidents happen.

Sure but that was not an accident.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/s...035714,00.html


Here read this and think again:

LONDON (USMC, Europe) -- Many movies end with the hero appearing
before the emperor and being recognized for saving the galaxy.

Marine Maj. William D. Chesarek Jr. is no actor, but he did appear
before Queen Elizabeth II March 21 to receive the United Kingdom's
Distinguished Flying Cross at Buckingham Palace for saving lives and
in recognition for his bravery during combat operations in Iraq; the
first time for an American service member since World War II.

Ok, we'll take him..
Snip.


I do not consider Harry or his brother revolting, nor your Queen.
Prince Charles is revolting maybe.

Disneyland can have them all.