On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.



And do you expect to loose every fight?

Using the word "every" basically means that you're ignoring what I
said.

You said surrender, and loose.

Fingernail extraction before dis-honoring my country. Knowing my
commrades in arms are on they way to my rescue.

Easy to say Joe until you're the one in the hot seat.

Typical response if you don't value human life. So far, they haven't
killed or likely tortured anyone.

Typical bend over and take it liberal attitude.

Typical response when you've run out of logic... attack the messenger.

If we delt with Iran in 1979 then maybe hostage taking would not be so
popular.

Carter tried. Raygun attempted to bribe them.

Did you miss the part about calling ahead and letting them know the
targets so they can clear them?

Huh?

Damn Jon, if you can not follow a thread, then wait till you get home.
I said
"The whole operation was a major cluster F*&K Jon. A totally botched
snatch and grab, when we should have used overwhelming force. Flaten
a
few dozen palaces and see how fast they return hostages. You can even
call the assholes and give them enough warning to clear the target
site."



But, keep telling yourself he was if it makes you feel better.

Keep your blinders on Jon, if you think he was a honest guy willing to
live up the the surrender treaty he signed then go and keep thinking
that if it makes you feel better.

Never said Saddam was honest or willing to live up to his
commitments. There was never a surrender treaty.

We invaded Iraq based on lies and deception. The President and/or the
Vice-President conspired to out an undercover CIA agent to punish Joe
Wilson for speaking the truth. The Attorney General mislead Congress
about his involvement in the firing of federal prosecuters. Bush lied
about Rumsfeld. 1000s died, were horribly injured all because Bushco
was fixated on Saddam.

And, we attacked the Taliban and Al Queda in Afganistan. Nothing to do
with Iraq.

BTW, how come you're not so upset about the 100s of 1000s in Darfur
who are being killed by terrorists there? Or, do they not count
because they have darker skin?

Why? We didn't wait to invade Iraq because of the Kurds... at least
that's what the right-wing is now saying was the reason.

Why?, well maybe the folks in Dufar are not shooting missles at our
pilots in the NO FLY ZONE.
Maybe the folks in Dufar are not a clear and present danger to the
USA.

Whats wrong with other countries dealing with Dufar, they know we are
busy.

Joe

I'm waiting for France or Russia, or Germany, China, Japan, Mexico,
Cuba, or Canada to deal with Dufar.

--
Capt. JG

On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1560788.ece
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

On Mar 26, 5:37 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:
On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

Hello Goofball, Hope all is well in Wales

Quick question: When is the last time six large vessels snuck up on
you at sea?

Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

Sheeeeze even here on the ship channel our USCG boats all have .50
cal's on the bows.
Your flag ship is sending people out to inspect maybe smugglers and
all they carry is side arms?
Man... if so.... thats screwed-up. I bet if Prince Harry was in charge
of that boarding party he would have taken out all 6 crappy little
revolutionary guard boats.

Joe

Joe wrote:
On Mar 26, 5:37 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:

On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:


On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "


Hello Goofball, Hope all is well in Wales

Quick question: When is the last time six large vessels snuck up on
you at sea?

Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

Sheeeeze even here on the ship channel our USCG boats all have .50
cal's on the bows.
Your flag ship is sending people out to inspect maybe smugglers and
all they carry is side arms?
Man... if so.... thats screwed-up. I bet if Prince Harry was in charge
of that boarding party he would have taken out all 6 crappy little
revolutionary guard boats.

Joe

If he wasn't too drunk at the time...
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2...C-RSSFeeds0312

The kid has a real substance abuse problem and should more likely be in
a rehab center than in the armed services...

On Mar 26, 7:15 pm, katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
On Mar 26, 5:37 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:

On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

Hello Goofball, Hope all is well in Wales

Quick question: When is the last time six large vessels snuck up on
you at sea?

Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

Sheeeeze even here on the ship channel our USCG boats all have .50
cal's on the bows.
Your flag ship is sending people out to inspect maybe smugglers and
all they carry is side arms?
Man... if so.... thats screwed-up. I bet if Prince Harry was in charge
of that boarding party he would have taken out all 6 crappy little
revolutionary guard boats.

Joe

If he wasn't too drunk at the time...http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2...C-RSSFeeds0312

The kid has a real substance abuse problem and should more likely be in
a rehab center than in the armed services...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

His only problem is he needs to vent a little steam, a tour of duty
will do him good.
If i had a pack of photographers chasing me around all the time, I'd
stumble on a few of them too.
Might even make it a habit if I were Harry. As he matures he will find
better ways to get even.

Joe

Joe wrote:
On Mar 26, 7:15 pm, katy wrote:

Joe wrote:

On Mar 26, 5:37 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:

On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

Hello Goofball, Hope all is well in Wales

Quick question: When is the last time six large vessels snuck up on
you at sea?

Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

Sheeeeze even here on the ship channel our USCG boats all have .50
cal's on the bows.
Your flag ship is sending people out to inspect maybe smugglers and
all they carry is side arms?
Man... if so.... thats screwed-up. I bet if Prince Harry was in charge
of that boarding party he would have taken out all 6 crappy little
revolutionary guard boats.

Joe

If he wasn't too drunk at the time...http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2...C-RSSFeeds0312

The kid has a real substance abuse problem and should more likely be in
a rehab center than in the armed services...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


His only problem is he needs to vent a little steam, a tour of duty
will do him good.
If i had a pack of photographers chasing me around all the time, I'd
stumble on a few of them too.
Might even make it a habit if I were Harry. As he matures he will find
better ways to get even.

Joe


Except that he's been at this particular game for about 4-5
years...being a royal does not excuse you from bad behavior...

On Mar 26, 8:44 pm, katy wrote:
Joe wrote:
On Mar 26, 7:15 pm, katy wrote:

Joe wrote:

On Mar 26, 5:37 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:

On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

Hello Goofball, Hope all is well in Wales

Quick question: When is the last time six large vessels snuck up on
you at sea?

Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

Sheeeeze even here on the ship channel our USCG boats all have .50
cal's on the bows.
Your flag ship is sending people out to inspect maybe smugglers and
all they carry is side arms?
Man... if so.... thats screwed-up. I bet if Prince Harry was in charge
of that boarding party he would have taken out all 6 crappy little
revolutionary guard boats.

Joe

If he wasn't too drunk at the time...http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2...C-RSSFeeds0312

The kid has a real substance abuse problem and should more likely be in
a rehab center than in the armed services...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

His only problem is he needs to vent a little steam, a tour of duty
will do him good.
If i had a pack of photographers chasing me around all the time, I'd
stumble on a few of them too.
Might even make it a habit if I were Harry. As he matures he will find
better ways to get even.

Joe

Except that he's been at this particular game for about 4-5
years...being a royal does not excuse you from bad behavior...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I do not consider his behavior "Bad".
He's like any other 20 something year old man, just under a
microscope.
He just graduated boot camp, and he's fixing to be shipped of to war.
I think he deserves a party night or two before heading to Iraq.

Being Royal in his case must be more of a pain in the ass then a
blessing.

Joe

On 26 Mar 2007 16:42:17 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 5:37 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:
On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

Hello Goofball, Hope all is well in Wales

Quick question: When is the last time six large vessels snuck up on
you at sea?

Not enough information to know what happened.


Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

No thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV_16PdWnBo

Sheeeeze even here on the ship channel our USCG boats all have .50
cal's on the bows.
Your flag ship is sending people out to inspect maybe smugglers and
all they carry is side arms?
Man... if so.... thats screwed-up. I bet if Prince Harry was in charge
of that boarding party he would have taken out all 6 crappy little
revolutionary guard boats.


The more you learn about the Royal family the more revolting they
appear to be..

On Mar 27, 8:05 am, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:
On 26 Mar 2007 16:42:17 -0700, "Joe" wrote:





On Mar 26, 5:37 pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:
On 26 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

On Mar 26, 4:30 pm, (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

Where did I say they were surrounded?

Thought you did. I don't have access to the entire thread from my
boat.

You thought wrong..and should update your crappy internet via boat
connection if you do not want to keep putting your foot in your mouth.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new.../article156078...
"The incident occurred mid-morning when a boarding party left HMS
Cornwall, the flagship of the multinational task force in the northern
Gulf, in two small craft to inspect an Iranian merchant ship.
When the inspection was completed the British were surrounded by six
larger vessels from a Revolutionary Guards naval unit. "

Hello Goofball, Hope all is well in Wales

Quick question: When is the last time six large vessels snuck up on
you at sea?

Not enough information to know what happened.

I agree, but someone knew they were surrounded by 6 boats, or just
made it up. Something is messed up if you can have 6 boats sneek up on
you. I think the USA learned from the USS Cole not to allow anyone to
sneak up.. or run up at you at high speeds without challenging them.



Don't British boarding parties have radios? Air support? Your guys
could have called for American back-up.

No thanks.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV_16PdWnBo

Tragic. But in a fluid situation such as war, when split seconds
count...accidents happen.

Here read this and think again:

LONDON (USMC, Europe) -- Many movies end with the hero appearing
before the emperor and being recognized for saving the galaxy.

Marine Maj. William D. Chesarek Jr. is no actor, but he did appear
before Queen Elizabeth II March 21 to receive the United Kingdom's
Distinguished Flying Cross at Buckingham Palace for saving lives and
in recognition for his bravery during combat operations in Iraq; the
first time for an American service member since World War II.

Assigned as an exchange officer with the UK's 847 Naval Air Squadron,
Commando Helicopter Force, based at Royal Naval Air Station Yeovilton
in Somerset, England, the U.S. Marine didn't fly into combat in a
space craft capable of warp speed or cloaking, but the UK's Lynx Mk7
helicopter; the aircraft he used to dodge insurgent's bullets and
rocket propelled grenades and employ it in unconventional ways.

Through flight school training at Pensacola, Fla. and Corpus Christi,
Texas he mastered the Marine Corps AH-1W Super Cobra helicopter; a two-
seater, rotary-winged aircraft armed with weaponry with names like
Hellfire, Sidewinder and Sidearm missiles.

Joining the UK squadron in 2005, he traded in the Super Cobra for the
Lynx.

"It's a very agile aircraft," said Chesareck, whose call sign is
Punchy. "Its maneuverability is significantly enhanced compared to a
Cobra. It's like comparing a Mustang to a Porsche. They're both great,
but different." Then describing how his stomach turned witnessing an
UK
pilot doing a full 360 degree flip in the Lynx.

Flying the evening of June 10, 2006, Chesarek wasn't doing flips with
his Lynx, but providing radio communication relay for UK ground troops
conducting a company-sized search operation in the vicinity of Al
Amarah, Iraq. Listening to radio transmissions he overheard that a
vehicle involved in the operation had became disabled and a crowd of
insurgents were now firing small arms and rocket propelled grenades at
the company.

According to his award citation, "Chesarek elected to fly low over the
area in an attempt to distract the crowd and if possible, to engage
the insurgents." Because of the close proximity of the crowd to the
ground troops, instead of engaging his onboard Lynx general purpose
machine gun, he "opted instead to provide bold, harassing, very low
level flight over the area in an attempt to disperse the crowd."

However, radio traffic from the ground told Chesarek he was now the
target and drawing small arms fire and a rocket propelled grenade had
just passed the rear of his aircraft.

This was not his first time in combat. He and his wife Christine, a
U.S. Navy nurse, had served simultaneously in Operation Iraqi Freedom
during the initial stages. But now in a different aircraft, with a
different purpose, things were different. Last month, Chesarek's UK
commander and his crew had been shot down flying in the same type of
aircraft.

"I had been in a couple of situations with troops in contact before,"
the 32-year-old Chesarek said. "I had a good idea of the kind of
potential danger involved, but now I was listening to the individual
commander on the ground. Some one was injured what can we do?"

Using his view from above, Chesarek applied his training as an
airborne forward air controller to coordinate, designate and control
fixed-wing assets in conducting close air support, resulting in the
dispersing the insurgents.

Considered an "implied mission," Chesarek made the unconventional move
to conduct a medical evacuation with the Lynx to help a UK soldier
with a life-threatening head injury. As the only aircraft available to
assist, he landed the Lynx in the vicinity of the company in distress
as his door gunner and another crew member jumped out.

"My door gunner jumped out and picked up the injured soldier and put
him in the helicopter," Chesarek said. "My other crewmember had to
stay or we would have been overweight to fly."

Now, nine months later, Chesarek's name echoed throughout the Ballroom
of Buckingham Palace as he was called before the queen to be
recognized and credited for "having a pivotal role in ensuring the
rapid evacuation of [a] badly injured soldier and the safe extraction
of the Company."

Donning his ceremonial uniform, Chesarek stood before the queen and
hundreds in attendance, to include his parents, wife and two-year-old
son, William. After Chesarek bowed, the custom when in front of her
majesty, she placed her Kingdom's level-three award for gallantry in
the air while on active operation against the enemy, upon his chest.
In light of his recognition, Chesarek reflected on his lost comrades
and brothers in arms.

"I am greatly honored and would like to accept this prestigious award
for 847 NAS in memory of Lt. Cmdr. Darren Chapman (Royal Navy), Capt.
David Dobson (Army Air Corps), and Marine Paul Collins (Royal
Marines), who were killed in action over Basrah in May 2006," said
Chesarek. "The awarded actions were only possible due to the combined
effort of my combat crew; Lt. David Williams (Royal Navy) and Lance
Cpl. Max Carter (Royal Marines). My greatest sense of achievement that
day is in knowing the ground troops all made it home."




Sheeeeze even here on the ship channel our USCG boats all have .50
cal's on the bows.
Your flag ship is sending people out to inspect maybe smugglers and
all they carry is side arms?
Man... if so.... thats screwed-up. I bet if Prince Harry was in charge
of that boarding party he would have taken out all 6 crappy little
revolutionary guard boats.

The more you learn about the Royal family the more revolting they
appear to be

I do not consider Harry or his brother revolting, nor your Queen.
Prince Charles is revolting maybe.

Joe

"Joe" wrote
: I do not consider Harry or his brother revolting, nor your Queen.
: Prince Charles is revolting maybe.

Their ancestors certainly thot mine were revolting grin.