A QUOTE FROM STERLING HAYDEN'S BOOK, WANDERER

To be truly challenging, a voyage, like a life, must rest on a firm
foundation of financial unrest. Otherwise, you are doomed to a routine
traverse, the kind known to yachtsmen who play with their boats at
sea... "cruising" it is called. Voyaging belongs to seamen, and to the
wanderers of the world who cannot, or will not, fit in. If you are
contemplating a voyage and you have the means, abandon the venture
until your fortunes change. Only then will you know what the sea is
all about.

"I've always wanted to sail to the South Seas, but I can't afford
it." What these men can't afford is not to go. They are enmeshed in
the cancerous discipline of "security." And in the worship of security
we fling our lives beneath the wheels of routine - and before we know
it our lives are gone.

What does a man need - really need? A few pounds of food each day,
heat and shelter, six feet to lie down in - and some form of working
activity that will yield a sense of accomplishment. That's all - in
the material sense, and we know it. But we are brainwashed by our
economic system until we end up in a tomb beneath a pyramid of time
payments, mortgages, preposterous gadgetry, playthings that divert our
attention for the sheer idiocy of the charade.

The years thunder by. The dreams of youth grow dim where they lie
caked in dust on the shelves of patience. Before we know it, the tomb
is sealed.

Where, then, lies the answer? In choice. Which shall it be: bankruptcy
of purse or bankruptcy of life?

- Sterling Hayden (Wanderer, 1973)

"Bart" wrote in message
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A QUOTE FROM STERLING HAYDEN'S BOOK, WANDERER

To be truly challenging, a voyage, like a life, must rest on a firm
foundation of financial unrest. Otherwise, you are doomed to a routine
traverse, the kind known to yachtsmen who play with their boats at
sea... "cruising" it is called. Voyaging belongs to seamen, and to the
wanderers of the world who cannot, or will not, fit in. If you are
contemplating a voyage and you have the means, abandon the venture
until your fortunes change. Only then will you know what the sea is
all about.

"I've always wanted to sail to the South Seas, but I can't afford
it." What these men can't afford is not to go. They are enmeshed in
the cancerous discipline of "security." And in the worship of security
we fling our lives beneath the wheels of routine - and before we know
it our lives are gone.

What does a man need - really need? A few pounds of food each day,
heat and shelter, six feet to lie down in - and some form of working
activity that will yield a sense of accomplishment. That's all - in
the material sense, and we know it. But we are brainwashed by our
economic system until we end up in a tomb beneath a pyramid of time
payments, mortgages, preposterous gadgetry, playthings that divert our
attention for the sheer idiocy of the charade.

The years thunder by. The dreams of youth grow dim where they lie
caked in dust on the shelves of patience. Before we know it, the tomb
is sealed.

Where, then, lies the answer? In choice. Which shall it be: bankruptcy
of purse or bankruptcy of life?

- Sterling Hayden (Wanderer, 1973)

A most brilliant and grounded man, he. Here is the nub: "But we are
brainwashed by our economic system until we end up in a tomb beneath a
pyramid of time
payments, mortgages, preposterous gadgetry, playthings that divert our
attention for the sheer idiocy of the charade."

No "we" are not. Only the great majority. Be honest. Ask yourself do you
have time payments, mortgages, preposterous gadgetry and playthings that
divert your attention for the sheer idiocy of the charade? If anybody
but myself answers negative on all the above then he is a liar. I'm
willing to wager that I am the only asa subscriber who has and never has
had time payments, has and never has had a mortgage in his entire life.
Unlike ALL you people, I have never been, am not now, and never shall be
a slave to the economic system. My life is my own, all my own. I count
myself the superior of Sterling Hayden. What he did as a diversion, I
have done as a life. You people worship and gush all over the sentiments
of a Sterling Hayden because you don't have the intestinal fortitude to
do anything but remain a brainwashed slave to the economic system buried
in a grave of your own making. What you call comfort men like myself
call prison. Sterling Hayden sold his book to wannabes who would never
be an they knew it full well. People who only dream because they lack
the guts to do.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
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What does a man need - really need? A few pounds of food
each day,
heat and shelter, six feet to lie down in -

the love of a good woman?




No "we" are not. Only the great majority. Be honest. Ask
yourself do you
have time payments,

NO

mortgages,

NO

preposterous gadgetry and playthings that
divert your attention for the sheer idiocy of the charade?

I have a sailboat.


If anybody
but myself answers negative on all the above then he is a
liar. I'm
willing to wager that I am the only asa subscriber who has
and never has
had time payments, has and never has had a mortgage in his
entire life.


And I'm willing to wager that you've never been and never
will be married and/or had children.


Unlike ALL you people, I have never been, am not now, and
never shall be
married. My life is lonely, all lonely. I count the hours
by
myself . What I did as a diversion, is post on ASA .

Oiy!


Scotty

"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
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What does a man need - really need? A few pounds of food
each day,
heat and shelter, six feet to lie down in -

the love of a good woman?

That's a woman thing. Any man who believes in that crap is pussy
whipped. Real men might desire the love of several good women but
limiting yourself to one woman shows you wish to be a slave, wish to
have a boring life, wish to eat the same old boring meal day after day
after day after day.


I have a sailboat.


That's a step in the right direction. Now, you need to get a decent
sailboat. That Seidelmann of yours is a passable starter boat only.
Perhaps it's time to move up. The only way you could move down is if you
bought a MacGregor 26.


And I'm willing to wager that you've never been and never
will be married and/or had children.


You would lose the bet. I've been there, done that. It was a total waste
of several years of my life. You're right about the "never will be" part
provided you type it as "never will be again." But what has that got to
do with time payments? Put the friggin' fat lazy wife to work. Don't buy
things you cannot afford. Neither a borrower nor lender be. If the wife
nags you for this and that but doesn't work for it then she's nothing
but a millstone around your neck. Time to re-think your options. What
she's got between her legs isn't worth becoming a slave over. Being a
satisfied slave at the behest of one woman is delusional. It shows ya
got no guts, boy!

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote

the love of a good woman?

That's a woman thing.

That is my preference. And you?


wish to eat the same old boring meal day after day
after day after day.


Tonight I dined on Hot Dogs and Baked beans. Hadn't had that
for a month or more.




You would lose the bet. I've been there, done that. It was
a total waste
of several years of my life.

Ahh, well, this would explain your attitude then.


But what has that got to
do with time payments?

nothinhg. I already told you I have no 'time payments'.

Put the friggin' fat lazy wife to work. Don't buy
things you cannot afford. Neither a borrower nor lender
be. If the wife
nags you for this and that but doesn't work for it then
she's nothing
but a millstone around your neck. Time to re-think your
options. What
she's got between her legs isn't worth becoming a slave
over. Being a
satisfied slave at the behest of one woman is delusional.
It shows ya
got no guts, boy!


You've got it ass backwards, my wife works, she makes more
than I do, plus she cooks, cleans and does all that other
wifey stuff.

Scotty

"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
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You've got it ass backwards, my wife works, she makes more
than I do, plus she cooks, cleans and does all that other
wifey stuff.

Your wife makes more than you do? Doesn't that make you feel inadequate?
The man's supposed to be the provider and wear the pants in the house.
Tell me you're not one of those limp-wristed types.
Bwaaahahahahahahahahahaha!

Wilbur Hubbard

A QUOTE FROM STERLING HAYDEN'S BOOK, WANDERER

To be truly challenging, a voyage, like a life, must rest on a firm
foundation of financial unrest.

Pure malarkey.

Bart would sail with a skipper whos said, "I couldn't afford to outfit
this boat properly so I bought the cheapest stuff I could find" ??
Would you sail with a skipper who said "We are sailing tonight
whatever the tide & weather because I have to dodge some sheriffs" ??

No.

Fiscal responsibility is one facet of being a responsible adult in
other aspects.




"I've always wanted to sail to the South Seas, but I can't afford
it." What these men can't afford is not to go. They are enmeshed in
the cancerous discipline of "security." And in the worship of security
we fling our lives beneath the wheels of routine - and before we know
it our lives are gone.


I could agree with this.


What does a man need - really need? A few pounds of food each day,

Less

Besides, water is more important.

heat and shelter, six feet to lie down in - and some form of working
activity that will yield a sense of accomplishment. That's all - in
the material sense, and we know it.

I guess the difference between the 1930s and 1940s, with the
comparatively low level of advertising and consumerism, are as
different from the 1960s and the 1960s are from now. Except that
during the 1960s and '70s, credit wasn't as easy and there was a
backlash against the hucksters.


"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote:
........ Ask yourself do you
have time payments, mortgages, preposterous gadgetry and playthings that
divert your attention for the sheer idiocy of the charade?

Other than the boat(s) you mean?

.... If anybody
but myself answers negative on all the above then he is a liar.

That's right, pat yourself on the back.

..... I'm
willing to wager that I am the only asa subscriber who has and never has
had time payments, has and never has had a mortgage in his entire life.

So what? What si the point of *never* utilizing credit? That would be
every bit as stupid as *always* using credit.

There are times when it is cheaper to borrow than to pay cash.



..... My life is my own, all my own.

That's great. Pat yourself on the back some more.

I count
myself the superior of Sterling Hayden.

Maybe, but he wouldn't agree.



h..... You people worship and gush all over the sentiments
of a Sterling Hayden

Actually, many of "us" don't.

Sterling Hayden was a braggart and a blusterer, a poor father and a
worse businessman. He knew how to sail the old fashioned way but never
learned anything new. He also ruined two very nice schooners.

If you look further in Heyden's book, he talks about how he bought his
second schooner on credit; so he was false to his own principles (and
that wasn't the only time). If you want to worship hypocrisy, go right
ahead.

Heyden was a fine schooner sailor when young and I don't blame him for
trying to recapture that. His book "Wanderer" is basically an attempt
to spin a romantic adventure out his fleeing legal and financial
troubles caused by his own irresponsibility. However the best & most
honest part of the book is the earlier chapters where he talks about
the great schooner races. Now that is an experience to brag about!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote:
........ Ask yourself do you
have time payments, mortgages, preposterous gadgetry and playthings
that
divert your attention for the sheer idiocy of the charade?

Other than the boat(s) you mean?

For some of us boats are anything but playthings and diversions. For
some of us boats are a way of life. But, I don't suppose you'd know
about that.


.... If anybody
but myself answers negative on all the above then he is a liar.

That's right, pat yourself on the back.

Not only am I right but I am a realist enough to know it.


..... I'm
willing to wager that I am the only asa subscriber who has and never
has
had time payments, has and never has had a mortgage in his entire
life.

So what? What si the point of *never* utilizing credit? That would be
every bit as stupid as *always* using credit.

The point is you don't need credit. It's just another way to spend above
your means. More importantly, as Hayden points out, it's a way to be
trapped by the system. It's a method of slavery.

There are times when it is cheaper to borrow than to pay cash.

It is NEVER cheaper to borrow than to pay cash. If you can manage to
borrow without usury then it's even steven. But who borrows without
usury these days?

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
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The point is you don't need credit. It's just another way
to spend above
your means. More importantly, as Hayden points out, it's a
way to be
trapped by the system. It's a method of slavery.

If you know what you're doing, one can make money with good
credit. Obviously this leaves you out.

SBV

"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
message news:la3Hh.17150

The point is you don't need credit. It's just another way
to spend above
your means. More importantly, as Hayden points out, it's a
way to be
trapped by the system. It's a method of slavery.

If you know what you're doing, one can make money with good
credit. Obviously this leaves you out.

Ha ha ha ha! You can, indeed, make money with good credit and bad credit
for that matter. That's why credit card companies are as rich as they
are. They didn't get that rich by borrowing money. They got that rich by
lending money. Kinda shows how ignorant you are. Not to mention how
unobservant. Look around you. Every big bank building you see, every big
insurance complex you see, every big credit card center you see got that
way from lending. If you could get so rich from borrowing, those
companies would be borrowing from you and paying you outrageous interest
payments.

You're a sucker and a dumb one at that. People justify borrowing and
jump though hoops trying to justify it but I can shoot down each and
every one of their fallacious arguments just like I just shot down
yours. The next thing you'll be telling me is how fabulous an investment
a house is. Believe me a house NEVER can return more than you paid for
it provided you add up all the expenses, inflation of currency and
taxes.

Wilbur Hubbard