"Nathan Branden" wrote in message
...
I've been tempted to use the stainless steel bathroom handrails on my
cabintop. They are those handrails you see in Lowes or Home Depot,
pretty sturdy bent tubing with only two welds. How will they stand up
in a marine environment? They definitely long strong enough and mount
over a wide area. I just think the boat store handrails are
outrageously expensive and the bathroom ones a much less expensive and
even look better.

Nathan

Nathan,

If you own or sail a properly designed sailboat you need no hand rails
on the cabin top. Hand rails are used only on sailboats that have side
decks. A proper sailboat has a flush or raised deck. Instead of walking
precariously along the side decks, on a proper sailboat you walk on top
of the flush or raised deck. Here is a picture of a proper raised deck
sailboat. http://www.sailboatlistings.com/sailimg/6070/SJ2003.jpg
and here's another http://captneal.homestead.com/files/stbsd.jpg Note
the total absence of unsightly hand rails.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Mar 2, 12:52 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Nathan Branden" wrote in message

...

I've been tempted to use the stainless steel bathroom handrails on my
cabintop. They are those handrails you see in Lowes or Home Depot,
pretty sturdy bent tubing with only two welds. How will they stand up
in a marine environment? They definitely long strong enough and mount
over a wide area. I just think the boat store handrails are
outrageously expensive and the bathroom ones a much less expensive and
even look better.

Nathan

Nathan,

If you own or sail a properly designed sailboat you need no hand rails
on the cabin top. Hand rails are used only on sailboats that have side
decks. A proper sailboat has a flush or raised deck. Instead of walking
precariously along the side decks, on a proper sailboat you walk on top
of the flush or raised deck. Here is a picture of a proper raised deck
sailboat. http://www.sailboatlistings.com/sailimg/6070/SJ2003.jpg
and here's another http://captneal.homestead.com/files/stbsd.jpg Note
the total absence of unsightly hand rails.

Wilbur Hubbard

Is this an inproperly designed boat Wilbur?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...3Doff%26sa%3DG

"Joe" wrote in message
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On Mar 2, 12:52 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Nathan Branden" wrote in message

...

I've been tempted to use the stainless steel bathroom handrails on
my
cabintop. They are those handrails you see in Lowes or Home Depot,
pretty sturdy bent tubing with only two welds. How will they stand
up
in a marine environment? They definitely long strong enough and
mount
over a wide area. I just think the boat store handrails are
outrageously expensive and the bathroom ones a much less expensive
and
even look better.

Nathan

Nathan,

If you own or sail a properly designed sailboat you need no hand
rails
on the cabin top. Hand rails are used only on sailboats that have
side
decks. A proper sailboat has a flush or raised deck. Instead of
walking
precariously along the side decks, on a proper sailboat you walk on
top
of the flush or raised deck. Here is a picture of a proper raised
deck
sailboat. http://www.sailboatlistings.com/sailimg/6070/SJ2003.jpg
and here's another http://captneal.homestead.com/files/stbsd.jpg
Note
the total absence of unsightly hand rails.

Wilbur Hubbard

Is this an inproperly designed boat Wilbur?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...3Doff%26sa%3DG



The Oyster 68 is a competent yacht. However, it would be a better and
more seaworthy yacht if they made it a flush deck or a raised deck. On a
sailboat that size a flush deck would be the answer because it is large
enough to have plenty of headroom. A flush deck is much more practical,
it's easier to clean and move about on. Corners and stressed areas are
eliminated. It has less windage thus it would go to weather better. It's
lighter. So, to answer your question it is, indeed, improperly designed.
If they make a flush deck version then that would be proper and Bristol.
That particular Oyster 68 is style over substance and practicality.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Mar 2, 1:19 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Mar 2, 12:52 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Nathan Branden" wrote in message

. ..

I've been tempted to use the stainless steel bathroom handrails on
my
cabintop. They are those handrails you see in Lowes or Home Depot,
pretty sturdy bent tubing with only two welds. How will they stand
up
in a marine environment? They definitely long strong enough and
mount
over a wide area. I just think the boat store handrails are
outrageously expensive and the bathroom ones a much less expensive
and
even look better.

Nathan

Nathan,

If you own or sail a properly designed sailboat you need no hand
rails
on the cabin top. Hand rails are used only on sailboats that have
side
decks. A proper sailboat has a flush or raised deck. Instead of
walking
precariously along the side decks, on a proper sailboat you walk on
top
of the flush or raised deck. Here is a picture of a proper raised
deck
sailboat. http://www.sailboatlistings.com/sailimg/6070/SJ2003.jpg
and here's another http://captneal.homestead.com/files/stbsd.jpg
Note
the total absence of unsightly hand rails.

Wilbur Hubbard

Is this an inproperly designed boat Wilbur?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...rmarine.com/im...

The Oyster 68 is a competent yacht. However, it would be a better and
more seaworthy yacht if they made it a flush deck or a raised deck. On a
sailboat that size a flush deck would be the answer because it is large
enough to have plenty of headroom. A flush deck is much more practical,
it's easier to clean and move about on. Corners and stressed areas are
eliminated. It has less windage thus it would go to weather better. It's
lighter. So, to answer your question it is, indeed, improperly designed.
If they make a flush deck version then that would be proper and Bristol.
That particular Oyster 68 is style over substance and practicality.

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What about this 40 footer is it another messed up design?
http://www.theyachtmarket.com/userimages/55213.jpg

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...

"Nathan Branden" wrote in message
...
I've been tempted to use the stainless steel bathroom handrails on my
cabintop. They are those handrails you see in Lowes or Home Depot,
pretty sturdy bent tubing with only two welds. How will they stand up
in a marine environment? They definitely long strong enough and mount
over a wide area. I just think the boat store handrails are
outrageously expensive and the bathroom ones a much less expensive and
even look better.

Nathan

Nathan,

If you own or sail a properly designed sailboat you need no hand rails
on the cabin top. Hand rails are used only on sailboats that have side
decks. A proper sailboat has a flush or raised deck. Instead of walking
precariously along the side decks, on a proper sailboat you walk on top
of the flush or raised deck. Here is a picture of a proper raised deck
sailboat. http://www.sailboatlistings.com/sailimg/6070/SJ2003.jpg
and here's another http://captneal.homestead.com/files/stbsd.jpg Note
the total absence of unsightly hand rails.

Wilbur Hubbard

You are risking your life if you ever need to go forward on either of those
boats in a real blow.

"Joe" wrote in message
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On Mar 2, 1:19 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Mar 2, 12:52 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"

wrote:
"Nathan Branden" wrote in message

. ..

I've been tempted to use the stainless steel bathroom handrails
on
my
cabintop. They are those handrails you see in Lowes or Home
Depot,
pretty sturdy bent tubing with only two welds. How will they
stand
up
in a marine environment? They definitely long strong enough and
mount
over a wide area. I just think the boat store handrails are
outrageously expensive and the bathroom ones a much less
expensive
and
even look better.

Nathan

Nathan,

If you own or sail a properly designed sailboat you need no hand
rails
on the cabin top. Hand rails are used only on sailboats that have
side
decks. A proper sailboat has a flush or raised deck. Instead of
walking
precariously along the side decks, on a proper sailboat you walk
on
top
of the flush or raised deck. Here is a picture of a proper raised
deck
sailboat.
http://www.sailboatlistings.com/sailimg/6070/SJ2003.jpg
and here's another http://captneal.homestead.com/files/stbsd.jpg
Note
the total absence of unsightly hand rails.

Wilbur Hubbard

Is this an inproperly designed boat Wilbur?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...rmarine.com/im...

The Oyster 68 is a competent yacht. However, it would be a better and
more seaworthy yacht if they made it a flush deck or a raised deck.
On a
sailboat that size a flush deck would be the answer because it is
large
enough to have plenty of headroom. A flush deck is much more
practical,
it's easier to clean and move about on. Corners and stressed areas
are
eliminated. It has less windage thus it would go to weather better.
It's
lighter. So, to answer your question it is, indeed, improperly
designed.
If they make a flush deck version then that would be proper and
Bristol.
That particular Oyster 68 is style over substance and practicality.

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What about this 40 footer is it another messed up design?
http://www.theyachtmarket.com/userimages/55213.jpg


Let's just say it is a "poor" design. For one thing heavy teak on the
deck raises the CG and is a maintenance nightmare. Get rid of it. For
the second thing construct the house the full width of the hull. Get rid
of the side decks. They are totally unnecessary. Better to have the room
inside than sacrifice layout options for side decks that only force a
crewman to walk closer to where he will be washed or knocked overboard.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:52:41 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

A proper sailboat has a flush or raised deck.

Been there. Done that. You're full of ****.

Tell that to the Open 60 jockeys!

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"Nathan Branden" wrote in message
...
I've been tempted to use the stainless steel bathroom handrails on
my
cabintop. They are those handrails you see in Lowes or Home Depot,
pretty sturdy bent tubing with only two welds. How will they stand
up
in a marine environment? They definitely long strong enough and
mount
over a wide area. I just think the boat store handrails are
outrageously expensive and the bathroom ones a much less expensive
and
even look better.

Nathan

Nathan,

If you own or sail a properly designed sailboat you need no hand
rails
on the cabin top. Hand rails are used only on sailboats that have
side
decks. A proper sailboat has a flush or raised deck. Instead of
walking
precariously along the side decks, on a proper sailboat you walk on
top
of the flush or raised deck. Here is a picture of a proper raised
deck
sailboat. http://www.sailboatlistings.com/sailimg/6070/SJ2003.jpg
and here's another http://captneal.homestead.com/files/stbsd.jpg
Note
the total absence of unsightly hand rails.

Wilbur Hubbard

You are risking your life if you ever need to go forward on either of
those
boats in a real blow.

In a real blow, real sailors use safety harnesses and jacklines. A
single jackline down the center of a yacht is safer than two jacklines
down the side decks of a yacht. It would not be very difficult to get
flipped over the low lifelines and be drug though the water by your
safety line on the side decks. Walking in the center of the boat keeps
you on the boat.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Mar 2, 1:49 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Mar 2, 1:19 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

roups.com...

On Mar 2, 12:52 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"

wrote:
"Nathan Branden" wrote in message

. ..

I've been tempted to use the stainless steel bathroom handrails
on
my
cabintop. They are those handrails you see in Lowes or Home
Depot,
pretty sturdy bent tubing with only two welds. How will they
stand
up
in a marine environment? They definitely long strong enough and
mount
over a wide area. I just think the boat store handrails are
outrageously expensive and the bathroom ones a much less
expensive
and
even look better.

Nathan

Nathan,

If you own or sail a properly designed sailboat you need no hand
rails
on the cabin top. Hand rails are used only on sailboats that have
side
decks. A proper sailboat has a flush or raised deck. Instead of
walking
precariously along the side decks, on a proper sailboat you walk
on
top
of the flush or raised deck. Here is a picture of a proper raised
deck
sailboat.
http://www.sailboatlistings.com/sailimg/6070/SJ2003.jpg
and here's another http://captneal.homestead.com/files/stbsd.jpg
Note
the total absence of unsightly hand rails.

Wilbur Hubbard

Is this an inproperly designed boat Wilbur?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...rmarine.com/im...

The Oyster 68 is a competent yacht. However, it would be a better and
more seaworthy yacht if they made it a flush deck or a raised deck.
On a
sailboat that size a flush deck would be the answer because it is
large
enough to have plenty of headroom. A flush deck is much more
practical,
it's easier to clean and move about on. Corners and stressed areas
are
eliminated. It has less windage thus it would go to weather better.
It's
lighter. So, to answer your question it is, indeed, improperly
designed.
If they make a flush deck version then that would be proper and
Bristol.
That particular Oyster 68 is style over substance and practicality.

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What about this 40 footer is it another messed up design?
http://www.theyachtmarket.com/userimages/55213.jpg

Let's just say it is a "poor" design. For one thing heavy teak on the
deck raises the CG and is a maintenance nightmare. Get rid of it. For
the second thing construct the house the full width of the hull. Get rid
of the side decks. They are totally unnecessary. Better to have the room
inside than sacrifice layout options for side decks that only force a
crewman to walk closer to where he will be washed or knocked overboard.

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

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So you think an Oyster 40 is a poor design...bwahahahahahahahaaa, you
would rather sail Cut the cheese?

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
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On Mar 2, 1:49 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Mar 2, 1:19 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"

wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

roups.com...

On Mar 2, 12:52 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"

wrote:
"Nathan Branden" wrote in message

. ..

I've been tempted to use the stainless steel bathroom
handrails
on
my
cabintop. They are those handrails you see in Lowes or Home
Depot,
pretty sturdy bent tubing with only two welds. How will they
stand
up
in a marine environment? They definitely long strong enough
and
mount
over a wide area. I just think the boat store handrails are
outrageously expensive and the bathroom ones a much less
expensive
and
even look better.

Nathan

Nathan,

If you own or sail a properly designed sailboat you need no
hand
rails
on the cabin top. Hand rails are used only on sailboats that
have
side
decks. A proper sailboat has a flush or raised deck. Instead of
walking
precariously along the side decks, on a proper sailboat you
walk
on
top
of the flush or raised deck. Here is a picture of a proper
raised
deck
sailboat.
http://www.sailboatlistings.com/sailimg/6070/SJ2003.jpg
and here's another
http://captneal.homestead.com/files/stbsd.jpg
Note
the total absence of unsightly hand rails.

Wilbur Hubbard

Is this an inproperly designed boat Wilbur?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...rmarine.com/im...

The Oyster 68 is a competent yacht. However, it would be a better
and
more seaworthy yacht if they made it a flush deck or a raised
deck.
On a
sailboat that size a flush deck would be the answer because it is
large
enough to have plenty of headroom. A flush deck is much more
practical,
it's easier to clean and move about on. Corners and stressed areas
are
eliminated. It has less windage thus it would go to weather
better.
It's
lighter. So, to answer your question it is, indeed, improperly
designed.
If they make a flush deck version then that would be proper and
Bristol.
That particular Oyster 68 is style over substance and
practicality.

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What about this 40 footer is it another messed up design?
http://www.theyachtmarket.com/userimages/55213.jpg

Let's just say it is a "poor" design. For one thing heavy teak on the
deck raises the CG and is a maintenance nightmare. Get rid of it. For
the second thing construct the house the full width of the hull. Get
rid
of the side decks. They are totally unnecessary. Better to have the
room
inside than sacrifice layout options for side decks that only force a
crewman to walk closer to where he will be washed or knocked
overboard.

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So you think an Oyster 40 is a poor design...bwahahahahahahahaaa, you
would rather sail Cut the cheese?

Joe

I'd much rather sail one of these quality steel yachts.
http://www.bruceroberts.com/public/HTML/V450.htm

Wilbur Hubbard