A friend of mine has a sailboat that's about fifteen meters in length.
The other day his vessel was the subject of a USCG safety check. Among a
couple other things, he got written up for not having a bell. He had a
whistle. The citation said he was in violation of Rule 33(a) which says
the boat is required to have a whistle and a bell. I told him to fight
it because the citation won't stand up in court. Why am I right?

Wilbur Hubbard

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:37:03 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

A friend of mine has a sailboat that's about fifteen meters in length.
The other day his vessel was the subject of a USCG safety check. Among
a
couple other things, he got written up for not having a bell. He had a
whistle. The citation said he was in violation of Rule 33(a) which
says
the boat is required to have a whistle and a bell. I told him to fight
it because the citation won't stand up in court. Why am I right?

Wilbur Hubbard

Bell is required for vessels 20 meters in length, or more.


Are you su

Rule 33
Equipment for Sound Signals
(a) A vessel of 12 meters or more in length shall be provided with a
whistle and a bell and a vessel of 100 meters or more in length shall,
in addition be provided with a gong, the tone and sound of which cannot
be confused with that of the bell. The whistle, bell and gong shall
comply with the specifications in Annex III to these Regulations. The
bell or gong or both may be replaced by other equipment having the same
respective sound characteristics, provided that manual sounding of the
prescribed signals shall always be possible.
(b) A vessel of less than 12 meters in length shall not be obliged to
carry the sound signaling appliances prescribed in paragraph (a) of this
Rule but if she does not, she shall be provided with some other means of
making an efficient signal.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:26:31 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:37:03 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

A friend of mine has a sailboat that's about fifteen meters in
length.
The other day his vessel was the subject of a USCG safety check.
Among
a
couple other things, he got written up for not having a bell. He had
a
whistle. The citation said he was in violation of Rule 33(a) which
says
the boat is required to have a whistle and a bell. I told him to
fight
it because the citation won't stand up in court. Why am I right?

Wilbur Hubbard

Bell is required for vessels 20 meters in length, or more.


Are you su

Rule 33
Equipment for Sound Signals
(a) A vessel of 12 meters or more in length shall be provided with a
whistle

Here's where you omitted some text...

, a vessel of 20 meters or more in length shall be provided with a
bell in addition to a whistle,


and here's where you added some text:
and a bell


and a vessel of 100 meters or more in length shall,
in addition be provided with a gong, the tone and sound of which
cannot
be confused with that of the bell. The whistle, bell and gong shall
comply with the specifications in Annex III to these Regulations. The
bell or gong or both may be replaced by other equipment having the
same
respective sound characteristics, provided that manual sounding of the
prescribed signals shall always be possible.
(b) A vessel of less than 12 meters in length shall not be obliged to
carry the sound signaling appliances prescribed in paragraph (a) of
this
Rule but if she does not, she shall be provided with some other means
of
making an efficient signal.

Wilbur Hubbard


I added or omitted nothing. It was a copy and paste directly from he
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...g/colregs.html
See for yourself.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:38:19 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:26:31 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:37:03 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

A friend of mine has a sailboat that's about fifteen meters in
length.
The other day his vessel was the subject of a USCG safety check.
Among
a
couple other things, he got written up for not having a bell. He
had
a
whistle. The citation said he was in violation of Rule 33(a) which
says
the boat is required to have a whistle and a bell. I told him to
fight
it because the citation won't stand up in court. Why am I right?

Wilbur Hubbard

Bell is required for vessels 20 meters in length, or more.


Are you su

Rule 33
Equipment for Sound Signals
(a) A vessel of 12 meters or more in length shall be provided with a
whistle

Here's where you omitted some text...

, a vessel of 20 meters or more in length shall be provided with a
bell in addition to a whistle,


and here's where you added some text:
and a bell


and a vessel of 100 meters or more in length shall,
in addition be provided with a gong, the tone and sound of which
cannot
be confused with that of the bell. The whistle, bell and gong shall
comply with the specifications in Annex III to these Regulations.
The
bell or gong or both may be replaced by other equipment having the
same
respective sound characteristics, provided that manual sounding of
the
prescribed signals shall always be possible.
(b) A vessel of less than 12 meters in length shall not be obliged
to
carry the sound signaling appliances prescribed in paragraph (a) of
this
Rule but if she does not, she shall be provided with some other
means
of
making an efficient signal.

Wilbur Hubbard


I added or omitted nothing. It was a copy and paste directly from
he
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...g/colregs.html
See for yourself.

Wilbur Hubbard


Here, look at a CURRENT and CORRECT copy from the source:

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/mwv_f...Rules32-38.pdf

CWM

Well, it took you long enough to finally arrive at the correct answer.
The citation was based on the OLD rule. Therefore, one should always
keep a copy of the newest rules at hand to keep ignorant law enforcement
at bay. The Colregs are evolving but many of the sources where they can
be found on the Internet are not.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/Changes.htm Then click on the
download on the left to get the latest up-to-datest pdf. Or just click
he
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/download.htm

Wilbur Hubbard

One has only to consult the Old Testament where The Lord himself instructs
Noah on the building and regulations of watercraft. Behold the Book of
Genesis:

006:014 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the
ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

006:015 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The
length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth
of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

006:016 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou
finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the
side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou
make it. Since thyne Ark is greater than 3 cubits though shall
equip it with a bell made of the finest brass,
a rams horn capable of soundeth thyne collision alarm,
a vest filled within of the kapok reed, one for each living being aboard
thyne Ark,
A candle that burneth green and one that burneth red to be held one in each
hand,
thy buckets shall be made of the cedar-wood,
and not lastly a platform made from the beech tree to be fixed astern
slightly above the waterline.

006:017 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the
earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life,
from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall
die.

006:018 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt
come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy
sons' wives with thee.

Praise!

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

A friend of mine has a sailboat that's about fifteen meters in length.
The other day his vessel was the subject of a USCG safety check. Among a
couple other things, he got written up for not having a bell. He had a
whistle. The citation said he was in violation of Rule 33(a) which says
the boat is required to have a whistle and a bell. I told him to fight
it because the citation won't stand up in court. Why am I right?

Wilbur Hubbard

Inland Rules say 12 meters or more, Internationlal rules say 20 meters
or more, was he outside the demarcation line?

Cheers
Marty

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

A friend of mine has a sailboat that's about fifteen meters in
length.
The other day his vessel was the subject of a USCG safety check.
Among a
couple other things, he got written up for not having a bell. He had
a
whistle. The citation said he was in violation of Rule 33(a) which
says
the boat is required to have a whistle and a bell. I told him to
fight
it because the citation won't stand up in court. Why am I right?

Wilbur Hubbard

Inland Rules say 12 meters or more, Internationlal rules say 20 meters
or more, was he outside the demarcation line?

Cheers
Marty

He was outside the line. But, an excellent point as the rule differs
depending if you're inland or international. Since you should be legal
inland because that's where you dock your boat you still need the bell
and the whistle. Only when you're in international waters do you need
both. What boat never docks or moors? Few, if any. So, in effect, the
change to rule 33(a) is really really stupid and useless.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

A friend of mine has a sailboat that's about fifteen meters in
length.
The other day his vessel was the subject of a USCG safety check.
Among a
couple other things, he got written up for not having a bell. He had
a
whistle. The citation said he was in violation of Rule 33(a) which
says
the boat is required to have a whistle and a bell. I told him to
fight
it because the citation won't stand up in court. Why am I right?

Wilbur Hubbard

Inland Rules say 12 meters or more, Internationlal rules say 20
meters
or more, was he outside the demarcation line?

Cheers
Marty

He was outside the line. But, an excellent point as the rule differs
depending if you're inland or international. Since you should be legal
inland because that's where you dock your boat you still need the bell
and the whistle. Only when you're in international waters do you need
both. What boat never docks or moors? Few, if any. So, in effect, the
change to rule 33(a) is really really stupid and useless.

Wilbur Hubbard

Correction: Only when you're in international waters you "don't" need
both.

What, no mention of registration requirements!


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
...
One has only to consult the Old Testament where The Lord
himself instructs
Noah on the building and regulations of watercraft. Behold
the Book of
Genesis:

006:014 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou
make in the
ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with
pitch.

006:015 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it
of: The
length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits,
the breadth
of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty
cubits.

006:016 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a
cubit shalt thou
finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt
thou set in the
side thereof; with lower, second, and third
stories shalt thou
make it. Since thyne Ark is greater than 3 cubits
though shall
equip it with a bell made of the finest brass,
a rams horn capable of soundeth thyne collision alarm,
a vest filled within of the kapok reed, one for each
living being aboard
thyne Ark,
A candle that burneth green and one that burneth red to be
held one in each
hand,
thy buckets shall be made of the cedar-wood,
and not lastly a platform made from the beech tree to be
fixed astern
slightly above the waterline.

006:017 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters
upon the
earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath
of life,
from under heaven; and every thing that is in the
earth shall
die.

006:018 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and
thou shalt
come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy
wife, and thy
sons' wives with thee.

Praise!

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:03:24 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:38:19 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:26:31 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:37:03 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

A friend of mine has a sailboat that's about fifteen meters in
length.
The other day his vessel was the subject of a USCG safety check.
Among
a
couple other things, he got written up for not having a bell. He
had
a
whistle. The citation said he was in violation of Rule 33(a)
which
says
the boat is required to have a whistle and a bell. I told him to
fight
it because the citation won't stand up in court. Why am I right?

Wilbur Hubbard

Bell is required for vessels 20 meters in length, or more.


Are you su

Rule 33
Equipment for Sound Signals
(a) A vessel of 12 meters or more in length shall be provided with
a
whistle

Here's where you omitted some text...

, a vessel of 20 meters or more in length shall be provided with a
bell in addition to a whistle,


and here's where you added some text:
and a bell


and a vessel of 100 meters or more in length shall,
in addition be provided with a gong, the tone and sound of which
cannot
be confused with that of the bell. The whistle, bell and gong
shall
comply with the specifications in Annex III to these Regulations.
The
bell or gong or both may be replaced by other equipment having the
same
respective sound characteristics, provided that manual sounding of
the
prescribed signals shall always be possible.
(b) A vessel of less than 12 meters in length shall not be obliged
to
carry the sound signaling appliances prescribed in paragraph (a)
of
this
Rule but if she does not, she shall be provided with some other
means
of
making an efficient signal.

Wilbur Hubbard


I added or omitted nothing. It was a copy and paste directly from
he
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknow...g/colregs.html
See for yourself.

Wilbur Hubbard


Here, look at a CURRENT and CORRECT copy from the source:

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/mwv_f...Rules32-38.pdf

CWM


Well, it took you long enough to finally arrive at the correct answer.

No it didn't I gave the correct answer right off the bat. You asked
why the citation would not stand up, and I said it was because the
bell was not required for boats under 20 meters in length under 33(a).
My answer is correct no matter how fast you tap dance.

CWM

You were, at most, only half right. For international waters you were
right. For inland waters you were wrong. But you didn't know in which
waters the boat in question was operating. You didn't ask either. You
just assumed. This demonstrates you were ignorant and had no problem
remaining ignorant. But, nobody really expects anything but ignorance
from you Bitty Bill!

Wilbur Hubbard