On Feb 2, 11:34 am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:

The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science
The Deniers -- Part III
Lawrence Solomon, Financial Post
Published: Friday, February 02, 2007
December 8, 2006

You're quoting from a Canadian organization (Energy Probe Research
Foundation)?

One or two "scientists" say that Global warming is entirely attributable
too natural causes, 5000 others say man is making a significant
contribution, and which do you go with?

Cheers
Marty

I'm just tryiong to figure how to make more money off your fears.
like all the other global warming warriors.

You know more about hurricanes then the most honored hurricane
researcher in the Atlantic basin?

Joe

joe

On Feb 2, 12:00 pm, Walt wrote:
Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:

crap snipped

One or two "scientists" say that Global warming is entirely attributable
too natural causes, 5000 others say man is making a significant
contribution, and which do you go with?

The third option of course: deny that it's happening at all.

Head, meet sand.

//Walt

Another option might be to figure out if it's caused by nature or
man.


Joe

I've parked my truck under a big tree, just in case.

Scotty


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Here is another link on the subject.

http://www.msnbc.com/id/1692224/

they claim ocean levels will rise in the next century
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Joe wrote:
On Feb 2, 11:34 am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:

The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science
The Deniers -- Part III
Lawrence Solomon, Financial Post
Published: Friday, February 02, 2007
December 8, 2006
You're quoting from a Canadian organization (Energy Probe Research
Foundation)?

One or two "scientists" say that Global warming is entirely attributable
too natural causes, 5000 others say man is making a significant
contribution, and which do you go with?

Cheers
Marty

I'm just tryiong to figure how to make more money off your fears.
like all the other global warming warriors.

You know more about hurricanes then the most honored hurricane
researcher in the Atlantic basin?

So, are you claiming that Dr. Landsea is denying global warming?

On Feb 2, 1:31 pm, Jeff wrote:
Joe wrote:
On Feb 2, 11:34 am, Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:

The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science
The Deniers -- Part III
Lawrence Solomon, Financial Post
Published: Friday, February 02, 2007
December 8, 2006
You're quoting from a Canadian organization (Energy Probe Research
Foundation)?

One or two "scientists" say that Global warming is entirely attributable
too natural causes, 5000 others say man is making a significant
contribution, and which do you go with?

Cheers
Marty

I'm just tryiong to figure how to make more money off your fears.
like all the other global warming warriors.

You know more about hurricanes then the most honored hurricane
researcher in the Atlantic basin?

So, are you claiming that Dr. Landsea is denying global warming?-


No..I just posted his opinion that the global warming folks are using
hurricanes as the "global warming poster child."
It's a scare tactic, and the Hurricane expert says they are bald face
liar's. You should read the posting again.

I trust Dr. Landsea's opinion on Hurricanes more than some Yourapeein
pack of liars.

Joe


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Joe wrote:
I'm just tryiong to figure how to make more money off your fears.
like all the other global warming warriors.
You know more about hurricanes then the most honored hurricane
researcher in the Atlantic basin?
So, are you claiming that Dr. Landsea is denying global warming?-


No..I just posted his opinion that the global warming folks are using
hurricanes as the "global warming poster child."
It's a scare tactic, and the Hurricane expert says they are bald face
liar's. You should read the posting again.

I trust Dr. Landsea's opinion on Hurricanes more than some Yourapeein
pack of liars.


Dr. Landsea agrees that Global Warming is with us for the long haul.
His point has been that it is (or was, several years ago) premature to
blame increased hurricanes on global warming. His conclusion is
three-fold, that the science is only "suggestive" of a linkage, but
not definitive. Second, that the change in hurricane intensity will
be relatively small. And third, that the increased "dollar value" of
the hurricane damage is caused more by increased wealth and coastal
development than increased storm strength.


From his 2004 paper:

CONCLUSIONS. To summarize, claims of linkages
between global warming and hurricane impacts
are premature for three reasons. First, no connection
has been established between greenhouse gas
emissions and the observed behavior of hurricanes
(Houghton et al. 2001; Walsh 2004). Emanuel (2005)
is suggestive of such a connection, but is by no means
definitive. In the future, such a connection may be
established [e.g., in the case of the observations
of Emanuel (2005) or the projections of Knutson
and Tuleya (2004)] or made in the context of other
metrics of tropical cyclone intensity and duration
that remain to be closely examined. Second, the
peer-reviewed literature reflects that a scientific
consensus exists that any future changes in hurricane
intensities will likely be small in the context
of observed variability (Knutson and Tuleya 2004;
Henderson-Sellers et al. 1998), while the scientific
problem of tropical cyclogenesis is so far from being
solved that little can be said about possible changes
in frequency. And third, under the assumptions of
the IPCC, expected future damages to society of its
projected changes in the behavior of hurricanes are
dwarfed by the influence of its own projections of
growing wealth and population (Pielke et al. 2000).
While future research or experience may yet overturn
these conclusions, the state of the peer-reviewed
knowledge today is such that there are good reasons
to expect that any conclusive connection between
global warming and hurricanes or their impacts will
not be made in the near term.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea...etalBAMS05.pdf

CONCLUSIONS. To summarize, claims of linkages
between global warming and hurricane impacts
are premature for three reasons. First, no connection
has been established between greenhouse gas
emissions and the observed behavior of hurricanes
(Houghton et al. 2001; Walsh 2004). Emanuel (2005)
is suggestive of such a connection, but is by no means
definitive. In the future, such a connection may be
established [e.g., in the case of the observations
of Emanuel (2005) or the projections of Knutson
and Tuleya (2004)] or made in the context of other
metrics of tropical cyclone intensity and duration
that remain to be closely examined. Second, the
peer-reviewed literature reflects that a scientific
consensus exists that any future changes in hurricane
intensities will likely be small in the context
of observed variability (Knutson and Tuleya 2004;
Henderson-Sellers et al. 1998), while the scientific
problem of tropical cyclogenesis is so far from being
solved that little can be said about possible changes
in frequency. And third, under the assumptions of
the IPCC, expected future damages to society of its
projected changes in the behavior of hurricanes are
dwarfed by the influence of its own projections of
growing wealth and population (Pielke et al. 2000).
While future research or experience may yet overturn
these conclusions, the state of the peer-reviewed
knowledge today is such that there are good reasons
to expect that any conclusive connection between
global warming and hurricanes or their impacts will
not be made in the near term.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea...etalBAMS05.pdf



If what they claim? or start to let loose to the public is true you will
see a lot of strange happenings with the weather. I don't know how it will
effect
ocean currents and calm sailing seasons. FL just got hit again with deadly
tornadoes
last night and we are expecting more tonight. I lucked out and it hit north
of us.

The tornadoes that hit last night are uncommon to our state we normally get
hit with F1 but we got hit with
EF3 ,winds over 150mph.


Bush is pushing to stop using fossil fuels but I don't think big business
aka oil companies and
automotive will jump to build cars that address fossil fuel issues fast
enough.
a few electric cars are on the roads now but they only have a short battery
life.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COyb9FcpggU

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COyb9FcpggU

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The problem is really much greater variability in weather, not just warmer
weather or a few more inches of rain. Of course, there are always people who
deny the truth even when it's looking them in the face.

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On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:48:27 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"sailirc" wrote in message
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COyb9FcpggU

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The problem is really much greater variability in weather, not just warmer
weather or a few more inches of rain.

No the problem is YOU talking out of your ass and changing the weather
of this group.

Of course, there are always people who
deny the truth even when it's looking them in the face.

Great self-recognition skills you have Jonathan.
Told many good lies to innocent folk's ISP's lately?