Oh come on... I thought you had more sense than to think this was much of an
"insult."

Unions rose due to poor management. After that, the gov't got involved.

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Try reading Das Kapital and get back to us.

I've read a good portion of it. 2 semesters of Marx/Engels as an
undergrad.

My argument about organizing, allocating capital and labor and assuming
risk as having value exposes the flaw of Marx's central thesis in Das
Kapital. The "profit" is the market value of the capitalists work. Even
more fundamental is Marx's assertion that labor and capital work against
each other. I do not suscribe to that malevolent view at all. People
individually and voluntarily enter into contracts with each other. Both
sides must agree to terms. Marx's views best describe the workings of
labor unions which are self defeating and exist only by force/government
legislation.

Perhaps you haven't read enough, or perhaps your comprehension level is
low. Marx is a tough read in some respects today because his idealized
theories don't work well in the real world.

Tell me were I'm wrong rather than fling insults. I've pointed out exactly
why his theories don't apply to the real world. All theories are
idealized, that's what a theory is. The idealization is a set of limiting
boundaries in which the theory applies. Marx argued about classes and
completely disregarded the actions and desires of the individual.


The rise of labor unions in the US were a direct result of poor
management, and had little gov't envolvement except as an afterthought.

Read he

http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?Id=1685

You understand that unions are exempt from antitrust acts and can compel
people to join them against their will. They can do this as a result of
law and it was through these kinds of laws that unions had the most
growth.

Look for the union label on the baseball bat coming through your
windshield!




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