Peter, I tried my best to answer his question. We all have opinions and
prejudices... yours are obvious for sure. In any case, I challenge Dave to
say what he thinks is fair wrt taxes paid by the rich.

Fortunately, I'm just as irrelevant as you are.

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"Peter" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
He can't man, he just can't.

What, get you to admit that while you have opinions and prejudices, you
can't put numbers against them? Understandable really - this way you
get to maintain your prejudices in a fact free manner. Of course, for
purposes of debate, it renders them - and you - irrelevant.

PDW

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:18:50 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

I never said that they should be raised. I said that they should pay
their
fair share.

So now can you answer the question? Here it is again.

So, Jon, to be a "fair share," what percentage of total income taxes
should
be paid by:

The top 5% in income earners?

The top 10% in income earners?

The top 50% in income earners?

That calls for 3 answers.

What percentage of the total is a "fair share" to be paid by the top
5%
in
income earners?

What percentage of the total is a "fair share" to be paid by the top
10%
in
income earners?

What percentage of the total is a "fair share" to be paid by the top
50%
in
income earners?

And, I said I don't know. I said that what seems fair is between 10
and
50 percent. Are you really that dense? (one question)

You may want to let this one go, Dave. It's futile.

Max

Yes, but you were the one who said that you thought the rich should pay
their fair share. When challenged on just what that share was, you've
gone to water.

Let's simplify this. I'll state that the rich *are* paying their fair
share now. Now you'll be happy, because you've been told that what you
want is in fact true.

If you doubt my word, how much should the rich pay in tax? I think
that's where Dave & Max got to, and you couldn't or wouldn't answer.
Hence my statement that you aren't interested in putting a figure on
it, rather nurse your prejudices. No worries....

Come on Jon. Why should *Dave* put up a figure when *you* made the
original assertion? If he does that, it leaves you free to carp forever
that what he proposes isn't fair, without ever having to commit
yourself as to what you think is fair. How about you put up a figure
and defend it? Too hard for you?

As for my prejudices WRT tax - you're projecting your hidden biases
again. You can't possibly know.

PDW

Capt. JG wrote:
Peter, I tried my best to answer his question. We all have opinions and
prejudices... yours are obvious for sure. In any case, I challenge Dave to
say what he thinks is fair wrt taxes paid by the rich.

Fortunately, I'm just as irrelevant as you are.

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www.sailnow.com

"Peter" wrote in message
oups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
He can't man, he just can't.

What, get you to admit that while you have opinions and prejudices, you
can't put numbers against them? Understandable really - this way you
get to maintain your prejudices in a fact free manner. Of course, for
purposes of debate, it renders them - and you - irrelevant.

PDW

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:18:50 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

I never said that they should be raised. I said that they should pay
their
fair share.

So now can you answer the question? Here it is again.

So, Jon, to be a "fair share," what percentage of total income taxes
should
be paid by:

The top 5% in income earners?

The top 10% in income earners?

The top 50% in income earners?

That calls for 3 answers.

What percentage of the total is a "fair share" to be paid by the top
5%
in
income earners?

What percentage of the total is a "fair share" to be paid by the top
10%
in
income earners?

What percentage of the total is a "fair share" to be paid by the top
50%
in
income earners?

And, I said I don't know. I said that what seems fair is between 10
and
50 percent. Are you really that dense? (one question)

You may want to let this one go, Dave. It's futile.

Max

"Peter" wrote in message
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Yes, but you were the one who said that you thought the rich should pay
their fair share. When challenged on just what that share was, you've
gone to water.

Not at all. I said that it should be somewhere between 10 and 50 percent.
How is that "going to water"?

Let's simplify this. I'll state that the rich *are* paying their fair
share now. Now you'll be happy, because you've been told that what you
want is in fact true.

I don't think the rich currently pay their fair share. I base this somewhat
upon experience (not mine, but close) and upon items I've read.

I don't know what you're trying to tell us in the Now you'll be happy
sentence. Sorry.

If you doubt my word, how much should the rich pay in tax? I think
that's where Dave & Max got to, and you couldn't or wouldn't answer.
Hence my statement that you aren't interested in putting a figure on
it, rather nurse your prejudices. No worries....

See first response.

Come on Jon. Why should *Dave* put up a figure when *you* made the
original assertion? If he does that, it leaves you free to carp forever
that what he proposes isn't fair, without ever having to commit
yourself as to what you think is fair. How about you put up a figure
and defend it? Too hard for you?

I put up a figure as stated. Why is he unable to do so?


As for my prejudices WRT tax - you're projecting your hidden biases
again. You can't possibly know.


Neither can you about me. So, what's your point?

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Peter" wrote in message
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Yes, but you were the one who said that you thought the rich should pay
their fair share. When challenged on just what that share was, you've
gone to water.

Not at all. I said that it should be somewhere between 10 and 50 percent.
How is that "going to water"?

So - you'd be satisfied if the rich paid 10% of their income as tax?
You'd consider that they were apying their fair share?

PDW

I didn't say that. I said that I didn't know but that it was somewhere
between that and 50%. Is there some reason why you and Dave are unable to
read that part of the sentence? Is it in Chinese?

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"Peter" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Peter" wrote in message
ps.com...

Yes, but you were the one who said that you thought the rich should pay
their fair share. When challenged on just what that share was, you've
gone to water.

Not at all. I said that it should be somewhere between 10 and 50 percent.
How is that "going to water"?

So - you'd be satisfied if the rich paid 10% of their income as tax?
You'd consider that they were apying their fair share?

PDW

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I didn't say that. I said that I didn't know but that it was somewhere
between that and 50%. Is there some reason why you and Dave are unable to
read that part of the sentence? Is it in Chinese?


Rather than play 20 questions looking for an answer you are not capable of
knowing, simply say "I really don't know - but whatever it is - it's not
fair!"