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On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:24:12 -0500, Jeff wrote:
Frank Boettcher wrote: On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:35:33 -0500, Jeff wrote: Jeff, in the situation I described, even though you were not there, you, consistently projected and drew conclusions about what the teens on the sunfish knew or did not know. Of course, I only had your very simple description to go by. And you've made my point. A mature individual would have sought additional information. An arrogant, immature, know-it-all would project the information at hand, develop a conclusion, and then defend it to the bitter end. Easy to get additional information. You could ask. You could go to a drill down chart to see the site. Since this is a post Katrina site, you could actually see the sat pictures because it is a before and after site. I had the link at one time but not any more. You could simply back off and say I don't have enough information about the situation. And as you might recall that was what the original post (sailboat, sport fisherman) was all about. Do you have all the information necessary to determine right of way and obligation. In that case, In my opinion the information was incomplete. You might also recall that I posted that the basis for "least manueverable" was from a piloting class and I had no idea wether the instructor knew what he was talking about. It was in the context that many sailors, who are not educated properly, automatically assume they have the right of way over power, but that the regs are primarily based on "least manueverable" all other factors being equal. Without being there you projected and concluded that I did not have control of my vessel. If you had control, why did you need some special dispensation from the rules? Apparently, I didn't as you revealed that the sunfish did have an obligation to allow me in. But then, you stated that they were not obligated or expected to know the rules because of age? Without being there you concluded that I was outsailed by a couple of kids on a sunfish. That was a joke. But you have to admit, that's what it sounds like! The kids were picking on you! So what did you do? You keep complaining that I make assumptions, but you're not filling us in. Sounds that way to you possibly. The kids were not picking on me but playing a dangerous game. You indicated that I had said that ColRegs "generally" should be ignored. You seem to have absolutely no knowledge of the rules. This is a very simple situation, and claiming the the rules should be thrown out in favor of "common sense" verifies such ignorance. Not what I said. Simply imflamatory. Some of that RB chum thrown over the side. The kids were also clearly ignorant if they called for starboard rights if you were in obvious difficulty in the channel. You should have recognized that and informed them that you needed room. Isn't that what an adult would do? Are you making the assumption that I didn't? Another projection to a conclusion that might possibly be erroneous? To assume and conclude so much with so little knowledge of the facts indicates either extreme arrogance and stupidity or you are baiting. Hey, I didn't "assume" you don't know the rules. You told us so. For example, you said "I said in that situation if ColRegs indicated I needed to put my vessel in danger to comply I would revert to common sense." Clearly the rules do not say this. You even complained that I did not explain a simple situation. Jeff, that is how you left it in the old post. You never backed off of your original contention that the kids had the right of way and no obligation. That was your position, and you never reversed it. That was the reason for my statement. I choose to believe the latter, knowing full well I might be wrong. You seem to keep making the wrong choices. You know, I don't have a big problem with Scotty's "I can't learn the rules, so I stay out of trouble" attitude. But claiming you don't the need them because common sense is better, well that's just stupid. Do the right thing Frank. Read the rules. I have Jeff, and fully admit I did not memorize them. However, I've been on the water for forty years, done delivery, cruised, raced, owned, chartered, and have never lost or damaged a vessel, or injured a passenger or anyone else for that matter. Used a lot of common sense along the way. Do the right thing, Jeff, grow up. |
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