Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
 

"DSK" wrote in message
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Gilligan wrote:
I had a Capri 13.2.

Was it the 14.2 sloop or the 13 cat (like a Laser)?

It was the Catalina 14.2:

http://www.catalinayachts.com/yachts...id=6&link=spec

The centerboard and rudder fit perfectly from my Coronado 15.



It was impossible for one man to get back over if you turtled it.

Hmmm... I wonder how you were trying it. I have never seen a
crew-ballasted centerboarder, including a Flying Scot or Lightning, that
couldn't be pulled back up *IF* the right technique were used. The Johnson
18 with it's wide beam & side tanks was like a catamaran when turtled, it
took a righting line (similar to one used by a catamaran) and crew weight
on the bow.

I am dangerous to sail with. There probably is a way to right the boat
singlehanded but it wasn't as easy as all the other boat's I've turtled. I
frequently sail alone in bad conditions.



We have rescued people from Hobie 1-14s, along with other small boats,
that seemed extremely reluctant to come back up. Once you get the boat
oriented right, uncleat the sheets & sometimes the vang, and get the right
leverage (such as a righting line across the bottom from one of the
chainplates) then they come right back.

The worst scenario is when a double-hulled boat, such as is intended to be
self-rescuing, has taken on water between the hull & cockpit floor/sides.
This makes it difficult to right because the free surface effect inside
the hull keeps yanking the boat back, then once the boat is upright, it
negates the boat's form stability. Big PITA. This is why some old-timers
insist that modern self-bailing dinghy are unsafe (kind of the way some
salty types insist that roller furling is no darn good).


This was a concern for me because I sail in very cold water.

Hypothermia is a big problem, certainly not one to be taken lightly.

I spent 45 minutes in the water in February from one episode, no wetsuit and
tangled in the lines. I can take cold immersion pretty well because of
muscle mass but after that one I threw up from the adrenaline. The last
knock down I had resulted in MOB and another knockdown in trying to get the
guy. Chinook winds and tornadoes get you everytime. At least I can draw
spectators when sailing.



Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
 

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:22:54 -0600, "Gilligan"
scribbled thusly:

I had a Capri 13.2. It was impossible for one man to get back over if you
turtled it. This was a concern for me because I sail in very cold water. I
considered putting a Hobie float on top of the mast. The 16.5 may have a
similar problem

You must be particularly inept!


Even worse - generally inept. I even considered air bags that would deploy
when capsized. I am banned (5 years) from sailing on certain lakes. Someday
I'll tell the story of how I emptied an entire swim beach. I thought it was
odd that bouys were following me.

Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
 

Gilligan wrote:
I am dangerous to sail with. There probably is a way to right the boat
singlehanded but it wasn't as easy as all the other boat's I've turtled.

Well, my post wasn't intending to insinuate anything about
your skills, just running thru a mental checklist of the
things I've tried when confronted with a boat that clearly
wanted it's tummy rubbed.

On a side note, when I was with the N.C. State sailing club,
which has (or had at the time) a fleet of Coronado 15s, a
number of experienced sailors came into the club and said
these boats were difficult (at least one declared
"impossible!!") to right.


.... I
frequently sail alone in bad conditions.


More fun that way!



Hypothermia is a big problem, certainly not one to be taken lightly.


I spent 45 minutes in the water in February from one episode, no wetsuit and
tangled in the lines.

Yowzah! That sounds like it could have been a ticket to that
big sailing club in the sky...

... I can take cold immersion pretty well because of
muscle mass but after that one I threw up from the adrenaline. The last
knock down I had resulted in MOB and another knockdown in trying to get the
guy. Chinook winds and tornadoes get you everytime. At least I can draw
spectators when sailing.


Sounds like you should be on the sailing channel!

DSK

Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
 

"Gilligan" wrote

I am dangerous to sail with. There probably is a way to right the boat
singlehanded but it wasn't as easy as all the other boat's I've turtled. I
frequently sail alone in bad conditions.

From Boston, eh?

Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
 

OzOne wrote

Heh heh, I have a pic here of a mates race Tri.
Absolutely flat out with a monster kite flying and only about 5 metres
off the beach ( a sand bar) people are running up the beach away from
the boat. Looks like one of those pics of the tsunami.

For God sake man, post the damn picture!

Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Gilligan wrote:
I am dangerous to sail with. There probably is a way to right the boat
singlehanded but it wasn't as easy as all the other boat's I've turtled.

Well, my post wasn't intending to insinuate anything about your skills,
just running thru a mental checklist of the things I've tried when
confronted with a boat that clearly wanted it's tummy rubbed.

On a side note, when I was with the N.C. State sailing club, which has (or
had at the time) a fleet of Coronado 15s, a number of experienced sailors
came into the club and said these boats were difficult (at least one
declared "impossible!!") to right.


.... I frequently sail alone in bad conditions.


More fun that way!



Hypothermia is a big problem, certainly not one to be taken lightly.


I spent 45 minutes in the water in February from one episode, no wetsuit
and tangled in the lines.

Yowzah! That sounds like it could have been a ticket to that big sailing
club in the sky...

... I can take cold immersion pretty well because of muscle mass but
after that one I threw up from the adrenaline. The last knock down I had
resulted in MOB and another knockdown in trying to get the guy. Chinook
winds and tornadoes get you everytime. At least I can draw spectators
when sailing.


Sounds like you should be on the sailing channel!


More like comedy central.



DSK

Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
 

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:15:57 -0600, "Gilligan"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:22:54 -0600, "Gilligan"
scribbled thusly:

I had a Capri 13.2. It was impossible for one man to get back over if
you
turtled it. This was a concern for me because I sail in very cold water.
I
considered putting a Hobie float on top of the mast. The 16.5 may have a
similar problem

You must be particularly inept!


Even worse - generally inept. I even considered air bags that would
deploy
when capsized. I am banned (5 years) from sailing on certain lakes.
Someday
I'll tell the story of how I emptied an entire swim beach. I thought it
was
odd that bouys were following me.


Heh heh, I have a pic here of a mates race Tri.
Absolutely flat out with a monster kite flying and only about 5 metres
off the beach ( a sand bar) people are running up the beach away from
the boat. Looks like one of those pics of the tsunami.


But he never went up the beach and into the parking lot did he?

The local constabulary was quite confused on whether it was a boating or
traffic incident.

Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
 

Gilligan wrote:



But he never went up the beach and into the parking lot did he?

The local constabulary was quite confused

Well, given the lax liquor laws and loose morals of your state, I
imagine that's the norm.

Cheers
Marty
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Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Gilligan wrote:



But he never went up the beach and into the parking lot did he?

The local constabulary was quite confused

Well, given the lax liquor laws and loose morals of your state, I
imagine that's the norm.


I think it's because of this:

http://onhealth.webmd.com/script/mai...ticlekey=55837

or this:

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/depart...educatedstates

Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
 

Gilligan wrote:

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Gilligan wrote:



But he never went up the beach and into the parking lot did he?

The local constabulary was quite confused

Well, given the lax liquor laws and loose morals of your state, I
imagine that's the norm.

I think it's because of this:

http://onhealth.webmd.com/script/mai...ticlekey=55837

or this:

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/depart...educatedstates

Huh, you're state is overeducated and too fit? Does your local constable
have a university degree and participate in triathalons for fun?

Cheers
Marty