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Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
Hi,
Looking for a boat. Have a 2 & 4 year old and a wife. I have some experience with a Hobie & Sunfish. I have the ASA BKB and BCC certificates. I live a mile from Kentucky Lake and can keep the boat at the water on a trailer with the mast up. Will only go out for a few hours at a time. Something I think I would like to do is take the boat to Florida west coast around Sanibel and visit small islands for shells, picnic, etc. Any thoughts are really appreciated. Kevin |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
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Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
Kevin,
Sounds like you've prepare yourself a lot better than most of us. Think your discision is more than capable. Happy Sails P/S both boats are good Daysailers http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
We have a bunch of 16.5s in our fleet. They're great boats, but can be hard
to handle short-handed in high winds, which are common out here. They're primarily used for beginning classes, with great care taken to ensure a safety boat is nearby. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com wrote in message oups.com... Hi, Looking for a boat. Have a 2 & 4 year old and a wife. I have some experience with a Hobie & Sunfish. I have the ASA BKB and BCC certificates. I live a mile from Kentucky Lake and can keep the boat at the water on a trailer with the mast up. Will only go out for a few hours at a time. Something I think I would like to do is take the boat to Florida west coast around Sanibel and visit small islands for shells, picnic, etc. Any thoughts are really appreciated. Kevin |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
Capt. JG wrote:
We have a bunch of 16.5s in our fleet. They're great boats, but can be hard to handle short-handed in high winds, which are common out here. Well, duh. As for the strong winds, that's why sailing out there is so much fun (not to mention dodging freighters). ... They're primarily used for beginning classes, with great care taken to ensure a safety boat is nearby. Why? Don't you teach capsize recovery? BTW there are float-top mainsails that prevent turtling, a big plus for club boats. Next time you all think about new sails for these Capris (or any other crew-ballasted boats) consider 'em. It's also possible to just tie a swim noodle to the main halyard shackle, but looks dorky. DSK |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
wrote in message oups.com... Hi, Looking for a boat. Have a 2 & 4 year old and a wife. I have some experience with a Hobie & Sunfish. I have the ASA BKB and BCC certificates. I live a mile from Kentucky Lake and can keep the boat at the water on a trailer with the mast up. Will only go out for a few hours at a time. Something I think I would like to do is take the boat to Florida west coast around Sanibel and visit small islands for shells, picnic, etc. Any thoughts are really appreciated. Kevin I had a Capri 13.2. It was impossible for one man to get back over if you turtled it. This was a concern for me because I sail in very cold water. I considered putting a Hobie float on top of the mast. The 16.5 may have a similar problem |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
"DSK" wrote in message
.. . Capt. JG wrote: We have a bunch of 16.5s in our fleet. They're great boats, but can be hard to handle short-handed in high winds, which are common out here. Well, duh. As for the strong winds, that's why sailing out there is so much fun (not to mention dodging freighters). ... They're primarily used for beginning classes, with great care taken to ensure a safety boat is nearby. Why? Don't you teach capsize recovery? Moi? I stay away from cold water. Yes, though, that is taught. Sometimes, it's not enough. BTW there are float-top mainsails that prevent turtling, a big plus for club boats. Next time you all think about new sails for these Capris (or any other crew-ballasted boats) consider 'em. It's also possible to just tie a swim noodle to the main halyard shackle, but looks dorky. DSK |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
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Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
Gilligan wrote:
I had a Capri 13.2. Was it the 14.2 sloop or the 13 cat (like a Laser)? It was impossible for one man to get back over if you turtled it. Hmmm... I wonder how you were trying it. I have never seen a crew-ballasted centerboarder, including a Flying Scot or Lightning, that couldn't be pulled back up *IF* the right technique were used. The Johnson 18 with it's wide beam & side tanks was like a catamaran when turtled, it took a righting line (similar to one used by a catamaran) and crew weight on the bow. We have rescued people from Hobie 1-14s, along with other small boats, that seemed extremely reluctant to come back up. Once you get the boat oriented right, uncleat the sheets & sometimes the vang, and get the right leverage (such as a righting line across the bottom from one of the chainplates) then they come right back. The worst scenario is when a double-hulled boat, such as is intended to be self-rescuing, has taken on water between the hull & cockpit floor/sides. This makes it difficult to right because the free surface effect inside the hull keeps yanking the boat back, then once the boat is upright, it negates the boat's form stability. Big PITA. This is why some old-timers insist that modern self-bailing dinghy are unsafe (kind of the way some salty types insist that roller furling is no darn good). This was a concern for me because I sail in very cold water. Hypothermia is a big problem, certainly not one to be taken lightly. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
"DSK" wrote in message . .. Gilligan wrote: I had a Capri 13.2. Was it the 14.2 sloop or the 13 cat (like a Laser)? It was the Catalina 14.2: http://www.catalinayachts.com/yachts...id=6&link=spec The centerboard and rudder fit perfectly from my Coronado 15. It was impossible for one man to get back over if you turtled it. Hmmm... I wonder how you were trying it. I have never seen a crew-ballasted centerboarder, including a Flying Scot or Lightning, that couldn't be pulled back up *IF* the right technique were used. The Johnson 18 with it's wide beam & side tanks was like a catamaran when turtled, it took a righting line (similar to one used by a catamaran) and crew weight on the bow. I am dangerous to sail with. There probably is a way to right the boat singlehanded but it wasn't as easy as all the other boat's I've turtled. I frequently sail alone in bad conditions. We have rescued people from Hobie 1-14s, along with other small boats, that seemed extremely reluctant to come back up. Once you get the boat oriented right, uncleat the sheets & sometimes the vang, and get the right leverage (such as a righting line across the bottom from one of the chainplates) then they come right back. The worst scenario is when a double-hulled boat, such as is intended to be self-rescuing, has taken on water between the hull & cockpit floor/sides. This makes it difficult to right because the free surface effect inside the hull keeps yanking the boat back, then once the boat is upright, it negates the boat's form stability. Big PITA. This is why some old-timers insist that modern self-bailing dinghy are unsafe (kind of the way some salty types insist that roller furling is no darn good). This was a concern for me because I sail in very cold water. Hypothermia is a big problem, certainly not one to be taken lightly. I spent 45 minutes in the water in February from one episode, no wetsuit and tangled in the lines. I can take cold immersion pretty well because of muscle mass but after that one I threw up from the adrenaline. The last knock down I had resulted in MOB and another knockdown in trying to get the guy. Chinook winds and tornadoes get you everytime. At least I can draw spectators when sailing. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
OzOne wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:22:54 -0600, "Gilligan" scribbled thusly: I had a Capri 13.2. It was impossible for one man to get back over if you turtled it. This was a concern for me because I sail in very cold water. I considered putting a Hobie float on top of the mast. The 16.5 may have a similar problem You must be particularly inept! Even worse - generally inept. I even considered air bags that would deploy when capsized. I am banned (5 years) from sailing on certain lakes. Someday I'll tell the story of how I emptied an entire swim beach. I thought it was odd that bouys were following me. |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
Gilligan wrote:
I am dangerous to sail with. There probably is a way to right the boat singlehanded but it wasn't as easy as all the other boat's I've turtled. Well, my post wasn't intending to insinuate anything about your skills, just running thru a mental checklist of the things I've tried when confronted with a boat that clearly wanted it's tummy rubbed. On a side note, when I was with the N.C. State sailing club, which has (or had at the time) a fleet of Coronado 15s, a number of experienced sailors came into the club and said these boats were difficult (at least one declared "impossible!!") to right. .... I frequently sail alone in bad conditions. More fun that way! Hypothermia is a big problem, certainly not one to be taken lightly. I spent 45 minutes in the water in February from one episode, no wetsuit and tangled in the lines. Yowzah! That sounds like it could have been a ticket to that big sailing club in the sky... ... I can take cold immersion pretty well because of muscle mass but after that one I threw up from the adrenaline. The last knock down I had resulted in MOB and another knockdown in trying to get the guy. Chinook winds and tornadoes get you everytime. At least I can draw spectators when sailing. Sounds like you should be on the sailing channel! DSK |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
"Gilligan" wrote I am dangerous to sail with. There probably is a way to right the boat singlehanded but it wasn't as easy as all the other boat's I've turtled. I frequently sail alone in bad conditions. From Boston, eh? |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
OzOne wrote Heh heh, I have a pic here of a mates race Tri. Absolutely flat out with a monster kite flying and only about 5 metres off the beach ( a sand bar) people are running up the beach away from the boat. Looks like one of those pics of the tsunami. For God sake man, post the damn picture! |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
"DSK" wrote in message ... Gilligan wrote: I am dangerous to sail with. There probably is a way to right the boat singlehanded but it wasn't as easy as all the other boat's I've turtled. Well, my post wasn't intending to insinuate anything about your skills, just running thru a mental checklist of the things I've tried when confronted with a boat that clearly wanted it's tummy rubbed. On a side note, when I was with the N.C. State sailing club, which has (or had at the time) a fleet of Coronado 15s, a number of experienced sailors came into the club and said these boats were difficult (at least one declared "impossible!!") to right. .... I frequently sail alone in bad conditions. More fun that way! Hypothermia is a big problem, certainly not one to be taken lightly. I spent 45 minutes in the water in February from one episode, no wetsuit and tangled in the lines. Yowzah! That sounds like it could have been a ticket to that big sailing club in the sky... ... I can take cold immersion pretty well because of muscle mass but after that one I threw up from the adrenaline. The last knock down I had resulted in MOB and another knockdown in trying to get the guy. Chinook winds and tornadoes get you everytime. At least I can draw spectators when sailing. Sounds like you should be on the sailing channel! More like comedy central. DSK |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
OzOne wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:15:57 -0600, "Gilligan" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message . .. On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:22:54 -0600, "Gilligan" scribbled thusly: I had a Capri 13.2. It was impossible for one man to get back over if you turtled it. This was a concern for me because I sail in very cold water. I considered putting a Hobie float on top of the mast. The 16.5 may have a similar problem You must be particularly inept! Even worse - generally inept. I even considered air bags that would deploy when capsized. I am banned (5 years) from sailing on certain lakes. Someday I'll tell the story of how I emptied an entire swim beach. I thought it was odd that bouys were following me. Heh heh, I have a pic here of a mates race Tri. Absolutely flat out with a monster kite flying and only about 5 metres off the beach ( a sand bar) people are running up the beach away from the boat. Looks like one of those pics of the tsunami. But he never went up the beach and into the parking lot did he? The local constabulary was quite confused on whether it was a boating or traffic incident. |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
Gilligan wrote:
But he never went up the beach and into the parking lot did he? The local constabulary was quite confused Well, given the lax liquor laws and loose morals of your state, I imagine that's the norm. Cheers Marty ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------ Do your users want the best web-email gateway? Don't let your customers drift off to free webmail services install your own web gateway! -- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_webmail.htm ---- |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Gilligan wrote: But he never went up the beach and into the parking lot did he? The local constabulary was quite confused Well, given the lax liquor laws and loose morals of your state, I imagine that's the norm. I think it's because of this: http://onhealth.webmd.com/script/mai...ticlekey=55837 or this: http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/depart...educatedstates |
Capri 16.5 vs. Flying Scot
Gilligan wrote:
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... Gilligan wrote: But he never went up the beach and into the parking lot did he? The local constabulary was quite confused Well, given the lax liquor laws and loose morals of your state, I imagine that's the norm. I think it's because of this: http://onhealth.webmd.com/script/mai...ticlekey=55837 or this: http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/depart...educatedstates Huh, you're state is overeducated and too fit? Does your local constable have a university degree and participate in triathalons for fun? Cheers Marty |
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