Heart of Gold clip to windward
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Heart of Gold clip to windward
However, the highest VMG is always beating to windward. And the highest that your boat has is well under 6 knots. Thus, your claim of 6 knots is bogus. So...you NOW admit that sailing upwind or to windward is not necessarily beating. We were not beating as I CLEARLY stated, therefore the VMG of 6 knots to windward was 100% accurate and certainly possible and you just shot your own argument in the head and backed over it with your car. Someone call 911!!! I saw Jeff do it! BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!! Now I'm going to sleep. I'll check in the morning for Jeff's feeble mule kick. G'night to ASA. RB 35s5 NY |
Heart of Gold clip to windward
Capt. Rob wrote:
Sorry, Bob, you may think the racers and designers So let's get this straight, Jeff. We're sailing upwind, but certainly not beating. Our knotmeter is showing over seven knots nudging near 8 at times. We have a mark set on the GPS about a mile off and we're on a starboard tack (again, for example). Now, the mark is about 10 degrees off our starboard bow. In other words, its not to windward. GPS is reporting our VMG fluctuating between 5.6 and 6.1 knots as we close on the mark. Since the mark is not to windward, this is not your "VMG to Windward," or as you said in the OP "to windward at just over 6 knots VMG." You claimed it was VMG to Windward, and now you're claiming its the VMG to a mark 10 degrees off the bow. You really don't know the difference, do you? Water is quite flat and the boat is nicely in the groove, giving up very little. The fellow at the helm has about 8 times more sailing experience than you. You mean he has 400 years of sailing experience??? I'm impressed! But what does this have to do with your obvious ignorance? Don't blame him because you didn't understand what was happening. I asked what our VMG was and he said about 6 knots. That may have been the VMG to that mark, but you can't pick an arbitrary point and then use that for you VMG to Windward. You could have just as easily picked a point dead ahead and claimed a VMG of 7 to 8 knots, but that isn't the VMG to Windward, now would it? Remember, your GPS doesn't know where the wind is, so it can't tell you the VMG to Windward unless you give a mark directly upwind. He was VERY impressed with the 35s5's windward performance. But he's not the only one. So is about every review on the boat. yada yada yada. You're still an idiot. Whenever you've lost an argument you try to claim you won because someone else is impressed with your boat. What a jackass! She easily beats her polars. Right. Just like she easily beats her PHRF. Unless of course, you're explaining that the reason she's beat by other boats is the tough PHRF rating she got. Yes, sometimes boats beat their polars by a tad. Usually its because of new hi-tech sails, a smooth bottom, a quality crew, and some luck. But you're claiming you beat the polars by a huge margin, with old sails, and you weren't even trying to go upwind. A French review called her "the triumphant 35s5" and noted that they were also climbing upwind with a VMG of over 5 and 1/2 knots. And this is why you think you can easily to 6 knots with old sails? Maybe you should be giving lessons to the French. Heart of Gold's original name was "Windward First" as her abilities to weather are well established. Read the owner reviews if you like. I don't know what to tell you, dude. You're obviously upset. I'm not upset. You're just stupid. I said we made 6 knots and 8....hardly crazy numbers. But here you just admitted it wasn't upwind, its was just the VMG to a mark up ahead. You just don't seem to get what "to Windward" really means. I've seen monohuls do it before and will again. sure, but not yours. Making 8 knots at 45 is hardly impossible, so 6 of VMG is also there. Holy Bat****! You mean those French reviewers don't know how to sail the boat??? You just said they were impressed that they got 5.5! But you seem to have no problem doing better than that. You weren't even trying to go upwind. At yet, magically, you outperformed your polars and the reviewers. With old sails, not less. And BTW, 8 knots at 45 is only a VMG of 5.6 knots. And that's not including leeway, which drops it to 5.3. The problem is that you simply don't know what upwind means. You "think" it means only beating and that's just not the case. Bob, you've just admitted over and over that you don't know what you're talking about. Why don't you have your friend, if he really exists, explain it to you? He can go real slow, and include pictures. |
Heart of Gold clip to windward
So now you're claiming that you had a VMG to Windward of 6 knots while
you were on a close reach and spilling wind? And you don't realize how stupid that sounds? What a Putz! Nope. You're soooo old and comfused! They are two different clips. In this clip we're making 7.4 knots on a reach...sort of a close reach if you like...hit 8 knots a few times. I have no idea what the VMG was at that time. The clip in question is sailing closer to the wind and that's the one that has you wringing out your Depends. Jeepers...you are one TRULY confused guy! Are you on meds? RB 35s5 NY |
Heart of Gold clip to windward
Capt. Rob wrote:
So now you're claiming that you had a VMG to Windward of 6 knots while you were on a close reach and spilling wind? And you don't realize how stupid that sounds? What a Putz! Nope. You're soooo old and comfused! They are two different clips. In this clip we're making 7.4 knots on a reach...sort of a close reach if you like...hit 8 knots a few times. I have no idea what the VMG was at that time. The clip in question is sailing closer to the wind and that's the one that has you wringing out your Depends. Jeepers...you are one TRULY confused guy! Are you on meds? So are you still claiming that on any of your clips the "VMG to Windward" was 6 knots? Remember, your polar says you can't do it. The French review that you quote says you can't do it. You admitted that when your friend told you the VMG he was referring not "to windward" but to a mark 10 degrees off your bow. All you're left with is the realization that in fact you didn't understand the meaning of the term "VMG to Windward" when you used it. In other words, any claim you have to understanding sailboat performance is bogus. Be we all knew that already. |
Heart of Gold clip to windward
So are you still claiming that on any of your clips the "VMG to Windward" was 6 knots? Remember, your polar says you can't do it. The French review that you quote says you can't do it. You admitted that when your friend told you the VMG he was referring not "to windward" but to a mark 10 degrees off your bow. 1st of all, GOOD MORNING, Jeff. I hope you slept well. True, the polars (at our point of sail showing closer to 5.2 knots. The Frenchy sail rag reported 5.5. And I'm reporting .7 and .5 knots faster. Keep this in mind: The fellow at the helm is a full time sailor. He retired at 40 and has been sailing full time aboard some of the fastest sailboats in production. Is it so impossible that he could have found that extra half knot or better? He can certainly sail his J24 and J30 better than anyone I've ever seen and does Atlantic crossings almost every year on performance yachts. He was pushing my boat to see what she could do and was impressed (not so dead downwind). If you choose to believe that he, his GPS and I are lying so be it. I gave my report, included pics and video. Maybe next time I'll shoot video of the GPS, compass and wind instruments. RB 35s5 NY |
Heart of Gold clip to windward
"Capt. Rob" wrote:
Sorry, Bob, you may think the racers and designers ??? So let's get this straight, Jeff. We're sailing upwind, but certainly not beating. Our knotmeter is showing over seven knots nudging near 8 at times. We have a mark set on the GPS about a mile off and we're on a starboard tack (again, for example). Now, the mark is about 10 degrees off our starboard bow. GPS is reporting our VMG fluctuating between 5.6 and 6.1 knots as we close on the mark. Finally you admit that you used the term "VMG to windward" incorrectly, thank you. Cheers Marty |
Heart of Gold clip to windward
"Capt" Rob wrote:
... we're making 7.4 knots on a reach...sort of a close reach if you like...hit 8 knots a few times. Yawn. Get back to us when you do spinnaker reaches over 20. ... I have no idea what the VMG was... Of course not. DSK |
Heart of Gold clip to windward
DSK wrote:
Jeff wrote: ? How about this: anytime you have a customer ask you about sailing, you ? show them this exchange as a way of proving your credibility? See how ? many buyers you have after that. ? Then, ask them if they need a surveyor! nyuk nyuk nyuk! DSK Yup, a surveyor who is not a member of The Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors, or The Association of Certified Marine Surveyors, or any other accrediting body. Shall we talk about Marine Brokers next? How about what the New York Harbor Master feels about non licensed persons undertaking to tow vessels in his jurisdiction for remuneration? Cheers Marty |
Heart of Gold clip to windward
Hey, the King of Keels is here!!! Maybe his wife too??? Whore-ray!!! Get back to us when you do spinnaker reaches over 20. Bwahahahha! Get back to us when you have a SAILboat!!! Dumb powerboater comments on a thread without even looking at the sailing clip!!!! BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! (Of course we know he did and it's killing him!) RB 35s5 NY |
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