Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
On 1 Oct 2006 09:49:19 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

Boat speed? 22ft LOA. close hauled.
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/IMGP0124020.jpg
Frame from video, yesterday.

Looks like a good 9 kts.

What's with that forward rail?? Looks alwful funky up forward.

Joe

On 1 Oct 2006 15:47:07 -0700, "Joe" wrote:


Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
On 1 Oct 2006 09:49:19 -0700, "Joe" wrote:

Boat speed? 22ft LOA. close hauled.
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/IMGP0124020.jpg
Frame from video, yesterday.

Looks like a good 9 kts.

6.0 It only surfs downwind.


What's with that forward rail?? Looks alwful funky up forward.

Yeah, it is not very pretty above the waterline. The pullpit is inside
the forestay. Handy to sit in the hatch and clip on to change
jibs.The plastic pipe does not help the looks either but at least I
can see it without glasses! I put my effort into fixing the keel and a
few other things when it broke the box and started swinging like a
pendulum. I'll worry about cosmetics later.
Time for bed.. Cheers.

Joe

Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
Boat speed? 22ft LOA. close hauled.
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/IMGP0124020.jpg
Frame from video, yesterday.


Pretty nice waves there. From the wave crests I'd guage the
wind in the mid-teens, no spin drift or spray off the
breakers (at least none showing in the photo.

It doesn't look to me as if the boat is close hauled at all,
more like a broad reach.

Looks like a good 9 kts.


6.0 It only surfs downwind.


Hard to say what the boat speed is since you can't see the
stern wave in the pic. I'd have guess less than 9 though, or
the track off the rudder would be more agitated.





What's with that forward rail?? Looks alwful funky up forward.


Yeah, it is not very pretty above the waterline. The pullpit is inside
the forestay. Handy to sit in the hatch and clip on to change
jibs.The plastic pipe does not help the looks either but at least I
can see it without glasses! I put my effort into fixing the keel and a
few other things when it broke the box and started swinging like a
pendulum. I'll worry about cosmetics later.

Hmmm... sails look pretty good even if the rig is
unorthodox.... or does everybody in your part of the world
put the bow pulpit halfway up the fore deck?!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:55:05 -0400, DSK wrote:

Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
Boat speed? 22ft LOA. close hauled.
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/IMGP0124020.jpg
Frame from video, yesterday.


Pretty nice waves there. From the wave crests I'd guage the
wind in the mid-teens, no spin drift or spray off the
breakers (at least none showing in the photo.

90% of the time here the wind is on-shore with a fetch of 80nm+. In
this case it was off-shore with a fetch of perhaps 3nm. It was
basically flat but breezey. f4-5, 5 in pic.

It doesn't look to me as if the boat is close hauled at all,
more like a broad reach.


I would settle for a close reach. The wind was from the south and the
coast runs SW. It was a broad reach on the way back. The boat was not
entirely under tight control on account of being single-handed with a
camera in one hand.

Looks like a good 9 kts.


6.0 It only surfs downwind.


Hard to say what the boat speed is since you can't see the
stern wave in the pic. I'd have guess less than 9 though, or
the track off the rudder would be more agitated.

Come on, be fair. It is 22ft., how many boats of this general type
plane to windward? The most I have done is 12.5kn. on a broad reach
but you get back quick under those conditions.





What's with that forward rail?? Looks alwful funky up forward.


Yeah, it is not very pretty above the waterline. The pullpit is inside
the forestay. Handy to sit in the hatch and clip on to change
jibs.The plastic pipe does not help the looks either but at least I
can see it without glasses! I put my effort into fixing the keel and a
few other things when it broke the box and started swinging like a
pendulum. I'll worry about cosmetics later.

Hmmm... sails look pretty good even if the rig is
unorthodox.... or does everybody in your part of the world
put the bow pulpit halfway up the fore deck?!

No, it is odd. It makes sense though for the design. It is a 30+? year
old boat by Ian Procter like this one:
http://www.naiadhome.com/presto.htm The big genoa wraps around the
outside of the hull http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/partial.jpg
(mine) closing the gap and increasing the effective aspect ratio.
Also the 'chute lived (it is dead) in a tube that runs the length of
the cabin and pops out of a hole clear of everything where the anchor
is. See the video :-) ( no chute, active content video, please wait)
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/movies/Partial_video1.htm
or poke around: http://www.wareing77.plus.com/movies


Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
90% of the time here the wind is on-shore with a fetch of 80nm+. In
this case it was off-shore with a fetch of perhaps 3nm. It was
basically flat but breezey. f4-5, 5 in pic.


It doesn't look to me as if the boat is close hauled at all,
more like a broad reach.



I would settle for a close reach. The wind was from the south and the
coast runs SW. It was a broad reach on the way back. The boat was not
entirely under tight control on account of being single-handed with a
camera in one hand.


In this pic right here?
http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/Wicklow.jpg
It looks to me like the wind is blowing R to L, obliquely
out of the pic; the boat is headed in almost the same
direction although the wake looks to be headed somewhat L to R.

The waves crests look like there is some weight in the wind
but not enough to put popcorn all over the upper part of the
waves.


Hard to say what the boat speed is since you can't see the
stern wave in the pic. I'd have guess less than 9 though, or
the track off the rudder would be more agitated.


Come on, be fair. It is 22ft., how many boats of this general type
plane to windward?

I wasn't trying to be insulting at all, just trying to make
an accurate guess. It's a fun game since we all know how
misleading pictures can be!



.... The most I have done is 12.5kn. on a broad reach
but you get back quick under those conditions.


That's respectable for a 22 ft boat! Especially without a
spinnaker. If you got one, you could set up the wind vane to
steer while you played the chute!


Hmmm... sails look pretty good even if the rig is
unorthodox.... or does everybody in your part of the world
put the bow pulpit halfway up the fore deck?!


No, it is odd. It makes sense though for the design. It is a 30+? year
old boat by Ian Procter like this one:
http://www.naiadhome.com/presto.htm

Thanks for the info. I have seen/sailed a Newbridge
Navigator but none of their other boats. Your boat seems a
bit more performance oriented; Proctor did some great racing
dinghy one-designs.


.... The big genoa wraps around the
outside of the hull http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/partial.jpg
(mine) closing the gap and increasing the effective aspect ratio.

I bet you could point higher if the sheeting was further
inboard.... OTOH trying to point high in big waves is a
mug's game. Prob'ly better the way you have it, for your
area

It's an interesting boat and your set-up seems very
practical. A shame there aren't some like that around here.

DSK

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:13:20 -0400, DSK wrote:

Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
90% of the time here the wind is on-shore with a fetch of 80nm+. In
this case it was off-shore with a fetch of perhaps 3nm. It was
basically flat but breezey. f4-5, 5 in pic.


It doesn't look to me as if the boat is close hauled at all,
more like a broad reach.



I would settle for a close reach. The wind was from the south and the
coast runs SW. It was a broad reach on the way back. The boat was not
entirely under tight control on account of being single-handed with a
camera in one hand.


In this pic right here?
http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/Wicklow.jpg


So many pictures.. my mistake. I thought that was over when Joe hit
the bullseye. That is a Westerly GK29 with a slotted, winged keel.
Very stiff and sturdy. Not mine.

It looks to me like the wind is blowing R to L, obliquely
out of the pic; the boat is headed in almost the same
direction although the wake looks to be headed somewhat L to R.


Yes, nearly a run. The boat is very stiff and beamy but tends to slew
around in a sea. The skipper was sleeping at the time, I think.
Notice it is on autohelm Raymarine tiller pilot 4000?

The waves crests look like there is some weight in the wind
but not enough to put popcorn all over the upper part of the
waves.

The tide runs fast along there. The lobster pot buoys, which were
everywhere, are in twos with at least one of them dragged under by the
tide. Whatever wind you see in the water add 5kts to it for the tide.
The light is also dull. If the wind was against tide we would not have
gone.



Hard to say what the boat speed is since you can't see the
stern wave in the pic. I'd have guess less than 9 though, or
the track off the rudder would be more agitated.


Come on, be fair. It is 22ft., how many boats of this general type
plane to windward?

I wasn't trying to be insulting at all, just trying to make
an accurate guess. It's a fun game since we all know how
misleading pictures can be!

Sorry about the mix up..



.... The most I have done is 12.5kn. on a broad reach
but you get back quick under those conditions.


That's respectable for a 22 ft boat! Especially without a
spinnaker. If you got one, you could set up the wind vane to
steer while you played the chute!

I am lost without my Raymarine - ST-4000 Tiller Pilot. If you let the
tiller go it turns in a fraction of a second. I think it is because
the CG is behind the CE of the keel.

Believe me I tried with both the spinnaker and outboard! That is how I
blew it to bits! The answer is to reef in lots of wind.


Hmmm... sails look pretty good even if the rig is
unorthodox.... or does everybody in your part of the world
put the bow pulpit halfway up the fore deck?!


No, it is odd. It makes sense though for the design. It is a 30+? year
old boat by Ian Procter like this one:
http://www.naiadhome.com/presto.htm

Thanks for the info. I have seen/sailed a Newbridge
Navigator but none of their other boats. Your boat seems a
bit more performance oriented; Proctor did some great racing
dinghy one-designs.


Yes, I remember someone telling me he would leave me standing in a 28
footer. After I passed him he said it (my boat) was just a big dinghy!
Part true..


.... The big genoa wraps around the
outside of the hull http://www.wareing.dircon.co.uk/images/partial.jpg
(mine) closing the gap and increasing the effective aspect ratio.

I bet you could point higher if the sheeting was further
inboard....

Yep, 50deg. is about it for the genoa.

OTOH trying to point high in big waves is a
mug's game.

Exactly right. You need to be pushing *hull speed' to have some punch
left.

Prob'ly better the way you have it, for your
area

It's an interesting boat and your set-up seems very
practical. A shame there aren't some like that around here.


Time to go.