OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big *******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******. IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in '98.
One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney Heads
since if my memory serves me well.


Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

But that shows you many men who can afford Hoybart yachts are lubber's
to start with, who bought thier way to sea. To bad not many real
sailors can afford 60 ft ocean sleads.

Joe




Don't recall Ellison ever coming back here.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big *******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******. IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in '98.

I don't hold it against him either. Said that myself more than once. So
far I forget soon enough to keep going back tho. 174 km/h off of
Matsuyker Is last week. Guess where I'm going next week...... straight
down 147E.

Had a close up look at the surviving fleet in 98. My objection to them
was & is the same. Structural integrity & seakindliness has been
sacrificed for speed. Fine provided nothing goes wrong, but when it
does, those yachts are dangerous.

One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney Heads
since if my memory serves me well.

Don't recall Ellison ever coming back here.

No loss. Oracle is the Microsoft of dbms. In quality & ethics. I ported
our ship logging system off of Oracle soon after I took over here and
we've never regretted it.

PDW

Joe wrote:
OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big *******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******. IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in '98.
One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney Heads
since if my memory serves me well.


Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

But that shows you many men who can afford Hoybart yachts are lubber's
to start with, who bought thier way to sea. To bad not many real
sailors can afford 60 ft ocean sleads.

Nothing stopping you having a go, Joe. You won't win line honours but
you might win on handicap in your boat. Go for it in 2008/9 and I'll
buy you a beer. Next year I won't be here when the fleet gets in.

PDW

Peter wrote:
Joe wrote:
OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big *******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******. IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in '98.
One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney Heads
since if my memory serves me well.


Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

But that shows you many men who can afford Hoybart yachts are lubber's
to start with, who bought thier way to sea. To bad not many real
sailors can afford 60 ft ocean sleads.

Nothing stopping you having a go, Joe. You won't win line honours but
you might win on handicap in your boat. Go for it in 2008/9 and I'll
buy you a beer. Next year I won't be here when the fleet gets in.

PDW

Ya find me a 60 ft sled and Ill buy me own ticket peter, I'm not skeerd
in the least.
If you do, and she a proper sled I'll win the race.

Joe

Joe wrote:
Peter wrote:
Joe wrote:
OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big *******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******. IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in '98.
One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney Heads
since if my memory serves me well.


Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

But that shows you many men who can afford Hoybart yachts are lubber's
to start with, who bought thier way to sea. To bad not many real
sailors can afford 60 ft ocean sleads.

Nothing stopping you having a go, Joe. You won't win line honours but
you might win on handicap in your boat. Go for it in 2008/9 and I'll
buy you a beer. Next year I won't be here when the fleet gets in.

PDW

Ya find me a 60 ft sled and Ill buy me own ticket peter, I'm not skeerd
in the least.
If you do, and she a proper sled I'll win the race.

Borrow Ellison's. Maxprop said he's not using it ATM. There ya go, I've
solved your sled probs. See you when you get here....

PDW

Peter wrote:
Joe wrote:
Peter wrote:
Joe wrote:
OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 17:57:21 -0700, "Peter"
scribbled thusly:


Maxprop wrote:
What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big *******.

I saw it when it got into Hobart in 1998. Yep it's a big *******. IIRC
he took line honours & swore he'd never do that race again.

PDW

My understanding is that he was totally disabled by seasickness and
fear after the storm hit, and yes, he did say that he would never do
that race again despite surviving and taking line honours.

I don't hold that in any way against the man, I know of a dozen or
more who gave up distance ocean racing after their experiences in '98.
One, a yachtsman of world renown has not sailed outside Sydney Heads
since if my memory serves me well.


Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

But that shows you many men who can afford Hoybart yachts are lubber's
to start with, who bought thier way to sea. To bad not many real
sailors can afford 60 ft ocean sleads.

Nothing stopping you having a go, Joe. You won't win line honours but
you might win on handicap in your boat. Go for it in 2008/9 and I'll
buy you a beer. Next year I won't be here when the fleet gets in.

PDW

Ya find me a 60 ft sled and Ill buy me own ticket peter, I'm not skeerd
in the least.
If you do, and she a proper sled I'll win the race.

Borrow Ellison's. Maxprop said he's not using it ATM. There ya go, I've
solved your sled probs. See you when you get here....


Ill give Larry a call tomorrow. He called the other day saying he was
going to have to sell Rising Sun due to that insider trading problem,
so maybe Ill be kind enough to take his sled off his hands. I'll let
you know. If he's willing to put er in the water fixed up and ready to
go then Ill be there.

Joe


PDW

OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 18:47:16 -0700, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:



Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

But that shows you many men who can afford Hoybart yachts are lubber's
to start with, who bought thier way to sea. To bad not many real
sailors can afford 60 ft ocean sleads.

Ever sailed thru a hurricane in a light displacement fin keeler Joe?

No Oz I havent,,but if you give me one I'll give it a shot. No problem,
I've been in a many hurricanes at sea and know how to use them to my
advantage, specially sailing. I know bys ballot law like the back of my
hand. The worse the seas... the more I feel alive.

Joe


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 19:30:12 -0700, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006 18:47:16 -0700, "Joe"
scribbled thusly:



Geeeze, what a bunch of pussies.

But that shows you many men who can afford Hoybart yachts are lubber's
to start with, who bought thier way to sea. To bad not many real
sailors can afford 60 ft ocean sleads.

Ever sailed thru a hurricane in a light displacement fin keeler Joe?

No Oz I havent,,but if you give me one I'll give it a shot. No problem,
I've been in a many hurricanes at sea and know how to use them to my
advantage, specially sailing. I know bys ballot law like the back of my
hand. The worse the seas... the more I feel alive.

Joe

Must have been big boats Joe.

Nah a 32 ft layfette skiff, a 160 ftr .....well then the 865 ftr.

Thats not the point, I'm telling you with a well founded boat no seas
on earth can scare me. Guess that cuz I figure drowning would be a nice
way to go IMO. And Ive been in seas that made most others cower in
terror and I had no fear what so ever OZ, none -de natta. I concetrate
on each wave and love the battle for some reason it's like christmas
morning for me, I love it! I'm not bragging, thats just the way it is.
I have no fear what so ever of the sea. To hear of people who will
never leave a breakwater, because they lost friends is sad IMO. My fear
would be dying in bed asleep, or in an office building closing a deal.

Joe



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

"Joe" wrote in message
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Maxprop wrote:
OzOne wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 03:12:38 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:

What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about
that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big
*******.

Max


As far as know, Sayonara suffered massive structural damage in the
'98 Hobart race and was in imminent danger of breaking up.

Maybe she has been retired for that reason...I don't know.

I think she must have been completely rebuilt. She looks brand new. Has
an
untouched epoxy bottom coating and the gelcoat is flawless. The keel is
in
flat plates, ready for assembly and lying underneath, and they look like
brand new lead. I couldn't find anything on her that doesn't appear new.
Perhaps that's why she's here--for a rebuild. No one with whom I spoke
seems to know, other than the fact that she's been sitting in the
building
for five years or more. My guess is that she was rebuilt about the same
time Larry E. lost interest in her.

We're looking at a boat in the same building. Next time we're there,
I'll
take a few shots of her, if someone can give me a place to post 'em.

Max

You ought to see if it's for sell, if Larry has lost interest and it's
costing him to store it perhaps you can pick it up for a song.

What Larry E. refers to as "a song" would be a complete concerto in my
vernacular.

Max

"katy" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:
OzOne wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 03:12:38 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:

What can you tell me about Larry Ellison's boat Sayonnara? I'm told he
raced it in the Hobart the year so many died. Any knowledge about
that?

I was looking it over rather thoroughly today. It's in storage in a
building in Holland, MI, waiting for who knows what. Sure is a big
*******.

Max

As far as know, Sayonara suffered massive structural damage in the
'98 Hobart race and was in imminent danger of breaking up.

Maybe she has been retired for that reason...I don't know.

I think she must have been completely rebuilt. She looks brand new. Has
an untouched epoxy bottom coating and the gelcoat is flawless. The keel
is in flat plates, ready for assembly and lying underneath, and they look
like brand new lead. I couldn't find anything on her that doesn't appear
new. Perhaps that's why she's here--for a rebuild. No one with whom I
spoke seems to know, other than the fact that she's been sitting in the
building for five years or more. My guess is that she was rebuilt about
the same time Larry E. lost interest in her.

We're looking at a boat in the same building. Next time we're there,
I'll take a few shots of her, if someone can give me a place to post 'em.

Max



Just get a webshots site for yourself...it doesn't cost anything...

Not into that sort of thing. I often wonder why some folks are.

Max