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Hey Oz--
DSK wrote: The only boat that is, is a submarine. Joe wrote: Wrong http://community.webshots.com/album/45412311UPoGTh opps try this shot~ http://travel.webshots.com/photo/107...38501851yDORqu You been paying attention at all? Did you read my post about rescuing guys off an oil platform in the North Sea? Yeah I read it, and I read you think the only vessels made for extreme weather are submarines. Oil platforms stand still, they do not give, so they rip. I was paying attention. Example: When the Ocean Ranger went down in the Hyberina field a supply boat was on location and suffered no damage, rescued a few guys, but lost most to hypothermia. There is an old saying in the N. Sea" The sea is poision, you drink it your going to die, you fall in it your going to die, and if you work on it your going to die" That was the time waves were ripping 2" welded fittings off the deck. Hardly a racing vessel Ya think? Well I take that back, I've raced a many of em..anytime two boats are going the same way it's a race....right ;0) I wonder what the PHRF rating is? but designed to deal with 60-80 ftes in a regular basis. Hence the North Sea Stacks, armored glass, 4" thick bows ect..ect.ect... Stronger than a U.S. Navy vessel, probably. The fleet tugs are just as stout. Same builders. Many boats ran back for cover and anchored.... not generally considered a gung-ho racing tactic Sounds like the smart ones. Nothing at all to be ashamed off. They did not put the guys that have to go out and rescue people at risk. A lot of boats were too far out into the Bass Strait to come back and anchor. Probably would have if they could have. In the condition described I would be bare pole and on a drouge on RedCloud. You must not be paying attention, or else your Boosprit gland is being hyperactive. These guys weren't dumb. These guys weren't ill-equipped. If they would have been better off under drogue, they would have been. Get it thru your head Joe... the sea is powerful enough to destroy any vessel. Storms have sunk U.S. Navy warships... not often, thank goodness. But to think that you're bulletproof and everybody else is a pussy is very stupid. I never said anything like that...is your bubbles gland impacted? Did everyone ignore the weather forecast? You would think these boats had the best in weather tracking devices the world has to offer. Yeah, like the weather forecast is always 100% accurate. Doug...it's a game they were playing, some lost. But when people kick off with sprung planks, fragile bulb keelers, ect for the open ocean in an area famous for bad weather bad knowing it's going to be 50kt's and building stuff is going to happen. Even here during the Harvest moon that we race, it amazes me some of the crap people take offshore, and some of the idiots that it's plain and clear that the only time they sail is racing, it's more about gagets, matching suits, and big bucks. Last Harvest moon a fellow de-masted trying to get out the jetties fer crikes sake, another about 40 miles south, one ran up on the beachrunning a rumb line. And like the Hobart the harvest is known for it's foul weather, mid Oct here is when the really strong northerners start training thru. You say these guys are good sailors, and your right for the billionaires they can buy guys who sail for a living, but the average millionaires are using friends ect and I'm sure most have less time at sea..... than the time needed to get a 6 pack ticket. Joe DSK |
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Hey Oz--
OzOne wrote in message ... On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 03:06:43 GMT, "Maxprop" scribbled thusly: Considering the beating that Sayonara took, the rest of the fleet must have thought they'd died and gone to hell. Max It was one of the most intense storme ever recorded on the coast...it was much worse at sea. A mate of mine is a Sea King chopper pilot. he was touched by a wave when hovering just under 100' off the wet deck. He had a man on the string at the time and thought he'd lost him. The chopper landed after a couple of hours duty with the engine intakes so clogged with salt that they needed to divert to another closer landing site because power had dropped well below critical levels. I have a lot of respect for the blokes that fly those rescue choppers. That must be one sphincter-clinching experience. Max |
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Hey Oz--
Joe wrote:
Well I take that back, I've raced a many of em..anytime two boats are going the same way it's a race....right ;0) Agreed Stronger than a U.S. Navy vessel, probably. The fleet tugs are just as stout. Same builders. I don't know if the fleet tugs are built to the same standard of having to withstand explosions; but anyway they would have an advantage in seaworthiness over a warship because they would not have large heavy radars & weapons on the deck & superstructure.... better stability. ... But to think that you're bulletproof and everybody else is a pussy is very stupid. I never said anything like that... Yes, you did Joe. Perhaps you weren't paying attention, but you used that exact word (which is why I used it). Doug...it's a game they were playing, some lost. But when people kick off with sprung planks, fragile bulb keelers "Fragile bulb keelers" that happen to be much stronger than your boat, yeah. FWIW I agree that if the WINSTON CHURCHILL was leaking at the dock, she should not have set off. ... ect for the open ocean in an area famous for bad weather bad knowing it's going to be 50kt's and building stuff is going to happen. Even here during the Harvest moon that we race, it amazes me some of the crap people take offshore, and some of the idiots that it's plain and clear that the only time they sail is racing, it's more about gagets, matching suits, and big bucks. Yes, for some it is. They're easy to spot. But it certainly is not true of all racing sailors. You say these guys are good sailors, and your right for the billionaires they can buy guys who sail for a living Most of the fleet is middle or working class guys who own shares of the boat they are sailing on. Perhaps you have gotten the idea that the Sydney-Hobart race is all maxi sleds? It isn't. ... but the average millionaires are using friends ect and I'm sure most have less time at sea..... than the time needed to get a 6 pack ticket. Frankly I would rate the seamanship of a guy who regularly races offshore as *MUCH* higher than that of a guy whose main claim is that he has a 6-pac license. After all, look at how bad most people drive, and they all have licenses. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |