"Ellen MacArthur" wrote
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Sorry. sometimes they get stuck and won't send. When I send it again then it sends twice.
I e-mailed the new server and they said they keep getting spam attacks and other abuse which shuts
them down. They shut down twice yesterday. I guess I can't complain. At least they're free....

Cheers,
Ellen

So, you're clueless about posting also.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote
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Sorry. sometimes they get stuck and won't send. When I send it again
then it sends twice.
I e-mailed the new server and they said they keep getting spam attacks and
other abuse which shuts
them down. They shut down twice yesterday. I guess I can't complain. At
least they're free....

Cheers,
Ellen

"Capt. JG" wrote
| So, you're clueless about posting also.


God bless you, captain....

Cheers,
Ellen

You explained nothing. You just ran off at the mouth.

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"Jeff" wrote
| You seem to still be uncertain about how current should be considered.
| In Jon's case, he was making way through the water forward, but the
| current was pulling him (and your other hypothetical boat) back.

Then why did he lie and say he sailed backwards? I believed he WAS
really sailing
backwards. I thought it was some lesson on how to actually sail backwards.
Please read
my answer to his usual snooty comment.

| the perspective of the two boats, this is a simple overtaking
| situation - the boat moving through the water faster is overtaking
| Jon. Even though its possible that they are going in opposite
| directions over the bottom, this is not a head-on meeting situation.
| (And, as sailboats, that rule isn't used, what rule would apply?)

Sailboats use the starboard tack boat stands on rule. Or windward
gives way if both are on the same tack.
Or, port tack gives way if he can't tell what tack the other boat's on.
If it's night or fog or something.
But if he really was *sailing* backwards It wouldn't be an overtaking
situation. At night looking at his stern
light it would *appear* to be overtaking. I explained all this in my post
to him. Read it. I don't want to repeat it.

| The case I described was rather different: I was pointed into the wind
| while holding the boom tight to the mast, making several knots
| sternway and keeping fair control with the rudder. In fact I've done
| this many times, and we would have races where the downwind legs were
| to be sailed backwards.

Yes! THAT's sailing backwards. Capt. JG lied. He was sailing forward.
His boat was going
over the bottom backwards but he wasn't *sailing* backwards.

| This raises the question that also comes up when large ship are
| maneuvering in a harbor. When you're making sternway, do the rules
| get reversed?

Exactly! That's why I asked question #6. But Capt. JG would rather
dis me than try to understand.
That's why I think he's a poor teacher. Good teachers can see all sides of
a question.
When your making sternway in a sailboat I think your stern takes the
place of the bow. But, how
could you reposition your lights at night? You couldn't. So there'd be
confusion. It would look
like overtaking when it wasn't.

|For large ships, the common practice is make passing
| signals assuming your stern is now the bow, and this has been upheld
| in the courts. However, this it is also "special circumstances"
| because maneuverability is greatly reduced.

Sailboats don't make passing signals.... not under the rules.

| But, for a small sailboat doing this, how do you tell which tack
| you're on?

Exactly!

Cheers,
Ellen