You sound angry and pathetic.

Instead of calling people names, why don't you actually contribute something
useful... no, never mind.

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www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:YX%Og.19266$E67.17092@clgrps13...
Jeff... shut up until you have a clue about what you're talking about....
so far you don't!

...and quit quoting your reference manual... you sound like Ganzy.

CM

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the stern,
you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the jib. With a
bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to pull the stern
forward along the dock so you'd need little if any clearance on the
stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.

Best check back to your "book"..... at least Jeff is an experienced sailor
and that's why I bother to bring out both guns. You Ganzy are a pathetic
excuse of a sailing wannabe. You are an embarrassment ot anything concerning
boats

CM-

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You sound angry and pathetic.

Instead of calling people names, why don't you actually contribute
something useful... no, never mind.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:YX%Og.19266$E67.17092@clgrps13...
Jeff... shut up until you have a clue about what you're talking about....
so far you don't!

...and quit quoting your reference manual... you sound like Ganzy.

CM

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the stern,
you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the jib. With
a bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to pull the stern
forward along the dock so you'd need little if any clearance on the
stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.

So, you are a liar after all. You claimed that you killfiled me, which
clearly you haven't done. All you can do is hurl vile language and act like
a jerk. You're a very angry person and you need get help.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:Ua0Pg.19479$E67.10411@clgrps13...
Best check back to your "book"..... at least Jeff is an experienced sailor
and that's why I bother to bring out both guns. You Ganzy are a pathetic
excuse of a sailing wannabe. You are an embarrassment ot anything
concerning boats

CM-

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You sound angry and pathetic.

Instead of calling people names, why don't you actually contribute
something useful... no, never mind.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:YX%Og.19266$E67.17092@clgrps13...
Jeff... shut up until you have a clue about what you're talking
about.... so far you don't!

...and quit quoting your reference manual... you sound like Ganzy.

CM

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the
stern, you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the
jib. With a bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to
pull the stern forward along the dock so you'd need little if any
clearance on the stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.

I'm on my brother's computer you dipstick!!!

Can't you tell from the fricken handle you Gaylord!

CM-

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
So, you are a liar after all. You claimed that you killfiled me, which
clearly you haven't done. All you can do is hurl vile language and act
like a jerk. You're a very angry person and you need get help.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:Ua0Pg.19479$E67.10411@clgrps13...
Best check back to your "book"..... at least Jeff is an experienced
sailor and that's why I bother to bring out both guns. You Ganzy are a
pathetic excuse of a sailing wannabe. You are an embarrassment ot
anything concerning boats

CM-

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You sound angry and pathetic.

Instead of calling people names, why don't you actually contribute
something useful... no, never mind.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:YX%Og.19266$E67.17092@clgrps13...
Jeff... shut up until you have a clue about what you're talking
about.... so far you don't!

...and quit quoting your reference manual... you sound like Ganzy.

CM

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the
stern, you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the
jib. With a bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to
pull the stern forward along the dock so you'd need little if any
clearance on the stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.

katy wrote:
Jeff wrote:
wrote:
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.

Release painter. (How many know what that is?) Walk on dock towards
stern. Grab mainsheet near the end of boom and pull in so boat pivots
away from dock, keep stern in close. Ask novice passengers already
onboard if they want you to come along. Casually step over stern to
take helm. Slip and land on tiller, breaking it in half.

Alternate ending: realize you forgot to ship the rudder.

This happened/
Actually, both have happened to me. I've only broken one tiller
leaving the dock. But I have left a few times without a rudder,
fortunately in dinks that can easily do without.

silverback wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message

Good Grief, what a wimp! Tell me how professional you feel when the club
launch fouls on your anchor line while you're rowing back in the dink.

What a total idiotic comment that is Jeff! The only whinning wimp I can see
here is you spouting force loads of 700 to 1000 lbs. Hogwash!


When you sober up you might consider re-reading the original question
and all the posts in this thread. If you can't sail your boat off the
dock in the conditions stated, singlehanded, even in a 30 knot breeze,
you don't deserve to own a boat.

Sailing a dinghy or even a small keel boat off of a lee dock is
one of the basic maneuvers that you have to learn. If you have any
concerns, you are permitted to practice it a few times when the dock is
empty. Or even find an unused dock to practice on in different
conditions.

Big difference between a punt and a boat Jeff!!!!

And I conceded it could be a problem in a larger boat, but the last
few posts concerned Ellen's boat. And this thread isn't about lee
docks, I just included that because if Ellen practiced, she could
probably do it with her boat.



Casting off is a useful skill, worth learning in its own right. But
spending half an hour doing when someone else can just hop in the boat and
sail off, doesn't look too professional.

Yeah Jeff... you can sail off a lee dock in gale force winds without a kedge
and no auxilliary! Shure Jeff! Tell us about the time you sailed backward
for six hours now....

I don't think I've ever done it for more than 30 minutes.

This thread isn't about lee docks or gale forces.


Thing is... none of you have ever handled a large vessel with no auxillary
off a lee dock.... you are talking bull****! I have handled as such... and
it's obvious that you're totally devoid of any experience regarding this
matter.

This thread is actually about leaving the dock with the wind on the
bow. I've done this thousands of times in small boats and a number of
times in larger boats, even a few time with the cat when conditions
were right.



As Bart said... shut up and listen to people with actual experience here.
It's obvious you have none.

Right. You're claiming that when the wind is on the bow, a small
keelboat, or even a larger one, can't be sailed off the dock. I think
you just shown you have less experience than Bobspit. Sober up,
Mooron, and rethink your position on this one.

silverback wrote:
Jeff... shut up until you have a clue about what you're talking about.... so
far you don't!

In the morning it might look a bit different.

Are you really saying that if you had perhaps a sistership behind you
by 6 or 8 feet, and you had the wind on the bow, and one or two hands
to help, you couldn't sail right off the dock?


...and quit quoting your reference manual... you sound like Ganzy.

I can't help it. At least 5 or 6 of my undergraduate years were spent
studying physics.


CM

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the stern,
you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the jib. With a
bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to pull the stern
forward along the dock so you'd need little if any clearance on the stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.

We've sailed for the better part of an hour backwards going out the Gate.
Not that I recommend it....

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
silverback wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message

Good Grief, what a wimp! Tell me how professional you feel when the
club launch fouls on your anchor line while you're rowing back in the
dink.

What a total idiotic comment that is Jeff! The only whinning wimp I can
see here is you spouting force loads of 700 to 1000 lbs. Hogwash!


When you sober up you might consider re-reading the original question and
all the posts in this thread. If you can't sail your boat off the dock in
the conditions stated, singlehanded, even in a 30 knot breeze, you don't
deserve to own a boat.

Sailing a dinghy or even a small keel boat off of a lee dock is
one of the basic maneuvers that you have to learn. If you have any
concerns, you are permitted to practice it a few times when the dock is
empty. Or even find an unused dock to practice on in different
conditions.

Big difference between a punt and a boat Jeff!!!!

And I conceded it could be a problem in a larger boat, but the last few
posts concerned Ellen's boat. And this thread isn't about lee docks, I
just included that because if Ellen practiced, she could probably do it
with her boat.



Casting off is a useful skill, worth learning in its own right. But
spending half an hour doing when someone else can just hop in the boat
and sail off, doesn't look too professional.

Yeah Jeff... you can sail off a lee dock in gale force winds without a
kedge and no auxilliary! Shure Jeff! Tell us about the time you sailed
backward for six hours now....

I don't think I've ever done it for more than 30 minutes.

This thread isn't about lee docks or gale forces.


Thing is... none of you have ever handled a large vessel with no
auxillary off a lee dock.... you are talking bull****! I have handled as
such... and it's obvious that you're totally devoid of any experience
regarding this matter.

This thread is actually about leaving the dock with the wind on the bow.
I've done this thousands of times in small boats and a number of times in
larger boats, even a few time with the cat when conditions were right.



As Bart said... shut up and listen to people with actual experience here.
It's obvious you have none.

Right. You're claiming that when the wind is on the bow, a small
keelboat, or even a larger one, can't be sailed off the dock. I think you
just shown you have less experience than Bobspit. Sober up, Mooron, and
rethink your position on this one.

Oh, so what you're saying is that you're incapable of ignoring someone if
you're on someone elses's computer. You're just as angry, but now you don't
have a crutch.

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www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:Vi0Pg.19596$E67.16366@clgrps13...
I'm on my brother's computer you dipstick!!!

Can't you tell from the fricken handle you Gaylord!

CM-

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
So, you are a liar after all. You claimed that you killfiled me, which
clearly you haven't done. All you can do is hurl vile language and act
like a jerk. You're a very angry person and you need get help.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:Ua0Pg.19479$E67.10411@clgrps13...
Best check back to your "book"..... at least Jeff is an experienced
sailor and that's why I bother to bring out both guns. You Ganzy are a
pathetic excuse of a sailing wannabe. You are an embarrassment ot
anything concerning boats

CM-

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You sound angry and pathetic.

Instead of calling people names, why don't you actually contribute
something useful... no, never mind.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"silverback" wrote in message
news:YX%Og.19266$E67.17092@clgrps13...
Jeff... shut up until you have a clue about what you're talking
about.... so far you don't!

...and quit quoting your reference manual... you sound like Ganzy.

CM

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the
stern, you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the
jib. With a bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to
pull the stern forward along the dock so you'd need little if any
clearance on the stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
oups.com...
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.

"Jeff" wrote
| Release painter. (How many know what that is?)

I know what a painter is. It's the line to a dinghy. You cleat it to your sailboat to
tow the dinghy. I don't think a line to the front of a bigger sailboat is called a painter.


Cheers,
Ellen