1/2 point for you Joe.

It is better to use an forward spring line to pivot the
boat off the dock. A stern line would let the boat slip
aft a bit and could be trouble if there is a boat close
behind you.

For those who don't know, an forward spring is a line
from the aft of the boat forward to a point on the dock
admiships for foarther forward on the dock. It prevents
the boat from moving backwards.

I like to double up the line so it starts at an aft cleat,
goes forward on the dock, one turn, and back to the
aft cleat or perhaps a winch. I can ease if from the
boat as the boat pivots away from the dock.

Why does the boat pivot? Because you back the jib
to push the bow away from the dock.

This works with any size sailboat--even very large
schooners.

"Joe" wrote in message
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wrote:
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.

Hoist the fore sail, toss the bow lines, spring out with yor stern line
and yer off.

Joe

1/2 point for Jon for mentioning that the jib backs.

"Capt. JG" wrote
Tighten the jib at the dock. Cast off the bow line hall in on the stern
line. As the jib back winds, you start falling away from the dock. Release
the stern line, move the jib to the other side. You're gone.

wrote
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.

Bart Senior wrote:
1/2 point for you Joe.

It is better to use an forward spring line to pivot the
boat off the dock. A stern line would let the boat slip
aft a bit and could be trouble if there is a boat close
behind you.

For those who don't know, an forward spring is a line
from the aft of the boat forward to a point on the dock
admiships for foarther forward on the dock. It prevents
the boat from moving backwards.

I like to double up the line so it starts at an aft cleat,
goes forward on the dock, one turn, and back to the
aft cleat or perhaps a winch. I can ease if from the
boat as the boat pivots away from the dock.

Why does the boat pivot? Because you back the jib
to push the bow away from the dock.

This works with any size sailboat--even very large
schooners.

About 80% of the time we use the doubled back forward spring to spring
the boat off the dock. Of course, I'm not often sailing off, and I'd
guess Mooron would consider using twin diesels cheating.

Sez just about anyone who's ever tried it.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote
| You don't need, nor should you use, an anchor to sail away from a dock.


Sez who?

Cheers,
Ellen

You're not safer using an anchor. You're using more equipment that
necessary.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote
| You certainly don't need it for your boat.
|
| I can understand using it for a 6 ton crab crusher. For that matter,
| I'm not sure about my boat, especially if I had a lot of constraints.
|
| On the other hand, I did it many times, perhaps hundreds, with boats
| like a Rhodes 19. You just push it off and get going. Or you get
| someone else to push the boom.



I'd rather be safe than sorry. It's better not to put other boats at
risk
because you cut things too close. It's not fun being embarrassed because
you ran into somebody's boat. Using an anchor to kedge off is tried and
true and professional. It's just about foolproof.

Cheers,
Ellen

You sound awfully angry... poor guy.

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"silverback" wrote in message
news:HE_Og.18286$E67.12073@clgrps13...
IDIOT!

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You don't need, nor should you use, an anchor to sail away from a dock.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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wrote
| How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
| the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.


Attach the line from a small anchor to a cleat on the front of your
boat.
Row the anchor out with your dinghy. Drop the anchor three or four boat
lengths in front of your bow. Untie the dock lines and pull on the
anchor
line till your over the anchor. Weigh the anchor and off you go...

Cheers,
Ellen

"Jeff" wrote in message

Good Grief, what a wimp! Tell me how professional you feel when the club
launch fouls on your anchor line while you're rowing back in the dink.

What a total idiotic comment that is Jeff! The only whinning wimp I can see
here is you spouting force loads of 700 to 1000 lbs. Hogwash!

Sailing a dinghy or even a small keel boat off of a lee dock is
one of the basic maneuvers that you have to learn. If you have any
concerns, you are permitted to practice it a few times when the dock is
empty. Or even find an unused dock to practice on in different
conditions.

Big difference between a punt and a boat Jeff!!!!

Casting off is a useful skill, worth learning in its own right. But
spending half an hour doing when someone else can just hop in the boat and
sail off, doesn't look too professional.

Yeah Jeff... you can sail off a lee dock in gale force winds without a kedge
and no auxilliary! Shure Jeff! Tell us about the time you sailed backward
for six hours now....

Thing is... none of you have ever handled a large vessel with no auxillary
off a lee dock.... you are talking bull****! I have handled as such... and
it's obvious that you're totally devoid of any experience regarding this
matter.

As Bart said... shut up and listen to people with actual experience here.
It's obvious you have none.

CM

Jeff... shut up until you have a clue about what you're talking about.... so
far you don't!

....and quit quoting your reference manual... you sound like Ganzy.

CM

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Now that's just being wimpy. Unless you had a barge tight on the stern,
you should be able to spin your boat off just by backing the jib. With a
bit of coordination you could even use a spring line to pull the stern
forward along the dock so you'd need little if any clearance on the stern.


silverback wrote:
clearence requirements required to be clarified.

Tight and I would elect the method for lee dock conditions.

CM

wrote in message
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How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.

Jeff wrote:
wrote:
How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.

Release painter. (How many know what that is?) Walk on dock towards
stern. Grab mainsheet near the end of boom and pull in so boat pivots
away from dock, keep stern in close. Ask novice passengers already
onboard if they want you to come along. Casually step over stern to
take helm. Slip and land on tiller, breaking it in half.

Alternate ending: realize you forgot to ship the rudder.

This happened/

How Large?

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
That might not work in a larger yacht.

You could always ring for a stewardess.

"Scotty" wrote
Push off from the bow, roll out jib, sail off, turn on AP
and hoist main, grab drink from below.

Scotty


wrote
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How do you sail off a dock when the wind is on
the bow? [Assume an end-tie situation] 1 pt.