"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
reenews.net:


(e) A vessel of less than 7 meters in length, when at anchor not in or
near a narrow channel, fairway or where other vessels normally
navigate, shall not be required to exhibit the *shape* prescribed in
paragraphs (a) and (b) of this Rule.


OK, That's one example. It talks only about the shape. It
doesn't talk about the light. And it doesn't say anything about
anchorages.

Don't know where you got that, but it looks like someone was taking the
wording out of context to explain a point..... the Rule says "lights or
shapes".

Now, here's another example:


(e) A vessel of less than 7 meters in length, when at anchor, not in
or near a narrow channel, fairway *or anchorage*, or where vessels
normally navigate, shall not be required to exhibit the *lights or
shape* prescribed in paragraph (a) and (b) of this Rule.

This one says lights or shapes. And it says anchorage. Which one
is the right one and when was it revised? BTW this one is
from: "Convention on the International Regulations for Preventing
Collisions at Sea, 1972 : Summary and comments mainly oriented to
recreational sailing." ----By Captain P. WOINI

This is the correct one and is part of the 72 COLREGS


Here's Capt. Woinin's comment about (e): He says "Which saves the
batteries of the small boats left unattended. What about the
others?"

It sounds to me like he's saying under 7 meters doesn't have to
show an anchor light unless in an area where other vessels
navigate.
Another question is what's an anchorage. If a boat or two are anchored
somewhere is it an anchorage? Or does it have to be one of the
anchorages listed on a chart or something. It seems to me if anywhere
a boat or two anchored is an anchorage then rule(e) (but just the one
that mentions anchorage)
means nothing at all. If by anchoring you make an anchorage then
there's no reason to have rule(e). In order to get to the spot you
anchored you had to navigate. So other boats could navigate too. Duh!
Do you see what I'm asking about

"Anchorages" are specified on charts and in various Sailing Directions and
it is these that the Rule is discussing. Keep in mind most of these Rules
are written with large vessels as the intended "subject" so that frequently
we can find areas that become confusing to small boats.

otn

"otnmbrd" wrote
| Don't know where you got that, but it looks like someone was taking the
| wording out of context to explain a point..... the Rule says "lights or
| shapes".

Do they. Look at the official rules that Capt. J.G. linked. They don't say
lights and shapes, just shapes. (See why I'm confused?) Lights and shapes
definitely makes more sense since shapes aren't mentioned in (b).

| "Anchorages" are specified on charts and in various Sailing Directions and
| it is these that the Rule is discussing. Keep in mind most of these Rules
| are written with large vessels as the intended "subject" so that frequently
| we can find areas that become confusing to small boats.


Thanks. That's what I thought about anchorages. They're marked and recognized.
A few boats anchored in a harbor doesn't necessarily mean it's an anchorage.
So, is it your opinion that a 17 foot sailboat anchored in a harbor that's not an
anchorage listed on a chart required by the rules to show an anchor light? It's not
"in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other vessels normally navigate."

Cheers,
Ellen

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
reenews.net:


Do they. Look at the official rules that Capt. J.G. linked. They
don't say
lights and shapes, just shapes. (See why I'm confused?) Lights and
shapes definitely makes more sense since shapes aren't mentioned in
(b).

This newsreader is not good at linking, but looking at what J.G. had
shows the USCG link for Rules which I have and it definitely says "lights
and shape".... shapes aren't mentioned in (b)for the simple reason that
(b) is discussing the second light used by larger ships.


Thanks. That's what I thought about anchorages. They're marked and
recognized.
A few boats anchored in a harbor doesn't necessarily mean it's an
anchorage.
So, is it your opinion that a 17 foot sailboat anchored in a
harbor that's not an
anchorage listed on a chart required by the rules to show an anchor
light? It's not "in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other
vessels normally navigate."

From reading other post, it seems you are discussing a small boat
anchored/moored (which is it? to me anchored is one thing on a mooring is
another) and you're having problems with authorities.
Quite possibly they are looking at the Inland Rules 30 (g) and making
their requirement from this.

otn

I just went to the USCG site...... They have an error BG in that they just
say "shapes". If you download the full Rules this will be apparent.

otn

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"otnmbrd" wrote
| Don't know where you got that, but it looks like someone was taking the
| wording out of context to explain a point..... the Rule says "lights or
| shapes".

Do they. Look at the official rules that Capt. J.G. linked. They don't
say
lights and shapes, just shapes. (See why I'm confused?) Lights and shapes
definitely makes more sense since shapes aren't mentioned in (b).

| "Anchorages" are specified on charts and in various Sailing Directions
and
| it is these that the Rule is discussing. Keep in mind most of these
Rules
| are written with large vessels as the intended "subject" so that
frequently
| we can find areas that become confusing to small boats.


Thanks. That's what I thought about anchorages. They're marked and
recognized.
A few boats anchored in a harbor doesn't necessarily mean it's an
anchorage.
So, is it your opinion that a 17 foot sailboat anchored in a harbor
that's not an
anchorage listed on a chart required by the rules to show an anchor light?
It's not
"in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other vessels normally
navigate."

Cheers,
Ellen

You're right! I suggest letting them know via the website. They'll fix it.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
ink.net...
I just went to the USCG site...... They have an error BG in that they
just say "shapes". If you download the full Rules this will be apparent.

otn

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"otnmbrd" wrote
| Don't know where you got that, but it looks like someone was taking the
| wording out of context to explain a point..... the Rule says "lights or
| shapes".

Do they. Look at the official rules that Capt. J.G. linked. They
don't say
lights and shapes, just shapes. (See why I'm confused?) Lights and shapes
definitely makes more sense since shapes aren't mentioned in (b).

| "Anchorages" are specified on charts and in various Sailing Directions
and
| it is these that the Rule is discussing. Keep in mind most of these
Rules
| are written with large vessels as the intended "subject" so that
frequently
| we can find areas that become confusing to small boats.


Thanks. That's what I thought about anchorages. They're marked and
recognized.
A few boats anchored in a harbor doesn't necessarily mean it's an
anchorage.
So, is it your opinion that a 17 foot sailboat anchored in a harbor
that's not an
anchorage listed on a chart required by the rules to show an anchor
light? It's not
"in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other vessels normally
navigate."

Cheers,
Ellen

G I'd take the time to correct them but I'm about to leave for the airport
to catch a flight for my yearly week ina and about Cape Cod/Hyannis....y'all
have fun

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
ink.net...
I just went to the USCG site...... They have an error BG in that they
just say "shapes". If you download the full Rules this will be apparent.

otn

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"otnmbrd" wrote
| Don't know where you got that, but it looks like someone was taking the
| wording out of context to explain a point..... the Rule says "lights or
| shapes".

Do they. Look at the official rules that Capt. J.G. linked. They
don't say
lights and shapes, just shapes. (See why I'm confused?) Lights and shapes
definitely makes more sense since shapes aren't mentioned in (b).

| "Anchorages" are specified on charts and in various Sailing Directions
and
| it is these that the Rule is discussing. Keep in mind most of these
Rules
| are written with large vessels as the intended "subject" so that
frequently
| we can find areas that become confusing to small boats.


Thanks. That's what I thought about anchorages. They're marked and
recognized.
A few boats anchored in a harbor doesn't necessarily mean it's an
anchorage.
So, is it your opinion that a 17 foot sailboat anchored in a harbor
that's not an
anchorage listed on a chart required by the rules to show an anchor
light? It's not
"in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other vessels normally
navigate."

Cheers,
Ellen