Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"katy" wrote
| Who cares which one is right? If you're anchored, show an anchor light
| for Pete's sake, no matter where you are...getting hit in the middle of
| the night by some yumyum not paying attention isn't a place anyone would
| want to be...all this quibbling about the interpretations just leads to
| overthinking the common sense application for what we a
| cruiser/racers...yes, it is important if you are out in commercial
| waters to know what needs to ve known, but what you're addressing here
| is pure semantic haggling....

Sorry, but I should've explained things better. This isn't about being
aboard a boat anchored out. It's about a 17 foot sailboat with no motor
anchored on a mooring. In a harbor away from traffic. It's used only for
day sailing. Nobody lives in it. It doesn't have a battery. It's never had
an anchor light. All of a sudden the authorities say it must have an anchor
light. I don't think they even know why. I'd like to know why.
Do all the boats in harbors on anchors under 7 meters in your area have
anchor lights? I think the 7 meter rule was made just for such little boats.
How can you expect a little boat with no battery and nobody home to turn
on an anchor light every night? It's not even reasonable.

Cheers,
Ellen




If it's on a mooring then it doesn't need a light. oftentimes local
authorities have no idea what marine law is about and some sheriff's
deputy is the one doing harbor patrol. Go to the main office with your
documentation and definitions and show them what's what...in a nice way,
od course.

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote
| If you're not in a designated anchorage perhaps? Even then, I'm not sure it
| would apply. Perhaps they don't know the rules. Who are the "authorities"?
| CG, Sheriff?

Fish and Wildlife Commission enforcement officers. (FWC) State of Florida.

Cheers,
Ellen
heh...well that explains it..maybe Florida is like Michigan and hires
poachers for their wildlife officers.....

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

Can't local authorities add their on rules ontop of the Fed.
rules?

SBV
"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Tell them to read the navrules.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
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reenews.ne
t...

"Capt. JG" wrote
| If you're not in a designated anchorage perhaps? Even
then, I'm not sure
it
| would apply. Perhaps they don't know the rules. Who
are the
"authorities"?
| CG, Sheriff?

Fish and Wildlife Commission enforcement officers. (FWC)
State of Florida.

Cheers,
Ellen

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

G I'd take the time to correct them but I'm about to leave for the airport
to catch a flight for my yearly week ina and about Cape Cod/Hyannis....y'all
have fun

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
ink.net...
I just went to the USCG site...... They have an error BG in that they
just say "shapes". If you download the full Rules this will be apparent.

otn

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"otnmbrd" wrote
| Don't know where you got that, but it looks like someone was taking the
| wording out of context to explain a point..... the Rule says "lights or
| shapes".

Do they. Look at the official rules that Capt. J.G. linked. They
don't say
lights and shapes, just shapes. (See why I'm confused?) Lights and shapes
definitely makes more sense since shapes aren't mentioned in (b).

| "Anchorages" are specified on charts and in various Sailing Directions
and
| it is these that the Rule is discussing. Keep in mind most of these
Rules
| are written with large vessels as the intended "subject" so that
frequently
| we can find areas that become confusing to small boats.


Thanks. That's what I thought about anchorages. They're marked and
recognized.
A few boats anchored in a harbor doesn't necessarily mean it's an
anchorage.
So, is it your opinion that a 17 foot sailboat anchored in a harbor
that's not an
anchorage listed on a chart required by the rules to show an anchor
light? It's not
"in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other vessels normally
navigate."

Cheers,
Ellen

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

Sure can.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Can't local authorities add their on rules ontop of the Fed.
rules?

SBV
"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Tell them to read the navrules.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
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reenews.ne
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"Capt. JG" wrote
| If you're not in a designated anchorage perhaps? Even
then, I'm not sure
it
| would apply. Perhaps they don't know the rules. Who
are the
"authorities"?
| CG, Sheriff?

Fish and Wildlife Commission enforcement officers. (FWC)
State of Florida.

Cheers,
Ellen

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

so, my point is, she can't just waltz into the local station
and show them the colRegs, as they may have their own
regulations.

SBV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Sure can.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Can't local authorities add their on rules ontop of the
Fed.
rules?

SBV
"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Tell them to read the navrules.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote
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reenews.ne
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"Capt. JG" wrote
| If you're not in a designated anchorage perhaps?
Even
then, I'm not sure
it
| would apply. Perhaps they don't know the rules. Who
are the
"authorities"?
| CG, Sheriff?

Fish and Wildlife Commission enforcement officers.
(FWC)
State of Florida.

Cheers,
Ellen

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

Sure she can. Then, they'll say, well sweetie, that's fine, but we have
these other regs...

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
so, my point is, she can't just waltz into the local station
and show them the colRegs, as they may have their own
regulations.

SBV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Sure can.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Can't local authorities add their on rules ontop of the
Fed.
rules?

SBV
"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Tell them to read the navrules.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote
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"Capt. JG" wrote
| If you're not in a designated anchorage perhaps?
Even
then, I'm not sure
it
| would apply. Perhaps they don't know the rules. Who
are the
"authorities"?
| CG, Sheriff?

Fish and Wildlife Commission enforcement officers.
(FWC)
State of Florida.

Cheers,
Ellen

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

Scotty wrote:
so, my point is, she can't just waltz into the local station
and show them the colRegs, as they may have their own
regulations.

SBV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Sure can.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Can't local authorities add their on rules ontop of the
Fed.
rules?

SBV
"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Tell them to read the navrules.

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"j" ganz @@
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote
in
message
reenews.ne
t...
"Capt. JG" wrote
| If you're not in a designated anchorage perhaps?
Even
then, I'm not sure
it
| would apply. Perhaps they don't know the rules. Who
are the
"authorities"?
| CG, Sheriff?

Fish and Wildlife Commission enforcement officers.
(FWC)
State of Florida.
Cheers,
Ellen





Yes, she can. They would have to produce, in print, their set. And then
she(who are we fooling here...she...shesh...) could, if ticketed, ask to
have the CG's input...

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

As OTN pointed out, the phrase "lights or shapes" should be in the
text. I checked 33USC, otherwise known as "the law," and it looks
like the CG site is garbled.

The law is that boats anchored need a light. There are a few
exceptions. Designated "special anchorages" are one category, this
include many of the large mooring fields you find in New England
harbors. Small boats completely out of the way are another group.
This is no exception for being on a mooring (as Katy claimed) or not
being aboard.

However, if you're anchored or moored such that a neighbor could bump
into it should have a light. This regulation was completely ignored
in the past because of the impossibility of providing electricity.
However, now you can get an LED controlled by a solar switch and
powered by a small battery. There is a growing trend to require such
anchor lights. Frankly, it makes sense for areas that might have any
traffic.

You should check the make sure you're not in a special anchorage. The
chart would show it, and the Coast Pilot for your area should list all
anchorages. Also, you could do a bit or research to make sure you
understand the rule, and what devices there are that would work for
your boat, and then go to the "powers that be" and tell them you
understand all the issues, but that because your location is remote,
they should exercise the discretion that Congress, in their wisdom,
granted them, to give you an exemption.



Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"katy" wrote
| Who cares which one is right? If you're anchored, show an anchor light
| for Pete's sake, no matter where you are...getting hit in the middle of
| the night by some yumyum not paying attention isn't a place anyone would
| want to be...all this quibbling about the interpretations just leads to
| overthinking the common sense application for what we a
| cruiser/racers...yes, it is important if you are out in commercial
| waters to know what needs to ve known, but what you're addressing here
| is pure semantic haggling....

Sorry, but I should've explained things better. This isn't about being
aboard a boat anchored out. It's about a 17 foot sailboat with no motor
anchored on a mooring. In a harbor away from traffic. It's used only for
day sailing. Nobody lives in it. It doesn't have a battery. It's never had
an anchor light. All of a sudden the authorities say it must have an anchor
light. I don't think they even know why. I'd like to know why.
Do all the boats in harbors on anchors under 7 meters in your area have
anchor lights? I think the 7 meter rule was made just for such little boats.
How can you expect a little boat with no battery and nobody home to turn
on an anchor light every night? It's not even reasonable.

Cheers,
Ellen