Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

If you're not in a designated anchorage perhaps? Even then, I'm not sure it
would apply. Perhaps they don't know the rules. Who are the "authorities"?
CG, Sheriff?

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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"katy" wrote
| Who cares which one is right? If you're anchored, show an anchor light
| for Pete's sake, no matter where you are...getting hit in the middle of
| the night by some yumyum not paying attention isn't a place anyone would
| want to be...all this quibbling about the interpretations just leads to
| overthinking the common sense application for what we a
| cruiser/racers...yes, it is important if you are out in commercial
| waters to know what needs to ve known, but what you're addressing here
| is pure semantic haggling....

Sorry, but I should've explained things better. This isn't about being
aboard a boat anchored out. It's about a 17 foot sailboat with no motor
anchored on a mooring. In a harbor away from traffic. It's used only for
day sailing. Nobody lives in it. It doesn't have a battery. It's never
had
an anchor light. All of a sudden the authorities say it must have an
anchor
light. I don't think they even know why. I'd like to know why.
Do all the boats in harbors on anchors under 7 meters in your area
have
anchor lights? I think the 7 meter rule was made just for such little
boats.
How can you expect a little boat with no battery and nobody home to turn
on an anchor light every night? It's not even reasonable.

Cheers,
Ellen

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

Perhaps the use of the word "or" is the key in (a)?

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"Capt. JG"
| There are no "versions" of it.
|
| The official version is he
| http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...s/Rule3031.htm

Depending where you download it from you get different versions.
Maybe it's a transcription problem or something. Thanks for the link.
I notice in the "official" version it doesn't mention anchorage and only
mentions shape. It says the shape in (a) and (b). How do you explain
there is no shape talked about in (b) only a light. Does shape mean
shape and light or just shape? If just shape how come it includes (b)
a light?
You think I'm dumb but maybe I see things that more experienced
people don't???

Cheers,
Ellen

Cheers,
Ellen

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

"otnmbrd" wrote
| Don't know where you got that, but it looks like someone was taking the
| wording out of context to explain a point..... the Rule says "lights or
| shapes".

Do they. Look at the official rules that Capt. J.G. linked. They don't say
lights and shapes, just shapes. (See why I'm confused?) Lights and shapes
definitely makes more sense since shapes aren't mentioned in (b).

| "Anchorages" are specified on charts and in various Sailing Directions and
| it is these that the Rule is discussing. Keep in mind most of these Rules
| are written with large vessels as the intended "subject" so that frequently
| we can find areas that become confusing to small boats.


Thanks. That's what I thought about anchorages. They're marked and recognized.
A few boats anchored in a harbor doesn't necessarily mean it's an anchorage.
So, is it your opinion that a 17 foot sailboat anchored in a harbor that's not an
anchorage listed on a chart required by the rules to show an anchor light? It's not
"in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other vessels normally navigate."

Cheers,
Ellen

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

"Capt. JG" wrote
| If you're not in a designated anchorage perhaps? Even then, I'm not sure it
| would apply. Perhaps they don't know the rules. Who are the "authorities"?
| CG, Sheriff?

Fish and Wildlife Commission enforcement officers. (FWC) State of Florida.

Cheers,
Ellen

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message ...
| Perhaps the use of the word "or" is the key in (a)?

Probably but why does it say the shape in (a) *and* (b) when there's no
shape in (b) only a light. BTW Mr. otn in another post says the official version
says *lights and shapes* but your official version just says *shapes*.

It's a mess. Somebody needs to make them all the same....

Cheers,
Ellen

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
reenews.net:


Do they. Look at the official rules that Capt. J.G. linked. They
don't say
lights and shapes, just shapes. (See why I'm confused?) Lights and
shapes definitely makes more sense since shapes aren't mentioned in
(b).

This newsreader is not good at linking, but looking at what J.G. had
shows the USCG link for Rules which I have and it definitely says "lights
and shape".... shapes aren't mentioned in (b)for the simple reason that
(b) is discussing the second light used by larger ships.


Thanks. That's what I thought about anchorages. They're marked and
recognized.
A few boats anchored in a harbor doesn't necessarily mean it's an
anchorage.
So, is it your opinion that a 17 foot sailboat anchored in a
harbor that's not an
anchorage listed on a chart required by the rules to show an anchor
light? It's not "in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other
vessels normally navigate."

From reading other post, it seems you are discussing a small boat
anchored/moored (which is it? to me anchored is one thing on a mooring is
another) and you're having problems with authorities.
Quite possibly they are looking at the Inland Rules 30 (g) and making
their requirement from this.

otn

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

I just went to the USCG site...... They have an error BG in that they just
say "shapes". If you download the full Rules this will be apparent.

otn

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"otnmbrd" wrote
| Don't know where you got that, but it looks like someone was taking the
| wording out of context to explain a point..... the Rule says "lights or
| shapes".

Do they. Look at the official rules that Capt. J.G. linked. They don't
say
lights and shapes, just shapes. (See why I'm confused?) Lights and shapes
definitely makes more sense since shapes aren't mentioned in (b).

| "Anchorages" are specified on charts and in various Sailing Directions
and
| it is these that the Rule is discussing. Keep in mind most of these
Rules
| are written with large vessels as the intended "subject" so that
frequently
| we can find areas that become confusing to small boats.


Thanks. That's what I thought about anchorages. They're marked and
recognized.
A few boats anchored in a harbor doesn't necessarily mean it's an
anchorage.
So, is it your opinion that a 17 foot sailboat anchored in a harbor
that's not an
anchorage listed on a chart required by the rules to show an anchor light?
It's not
"in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other vessels normally
navigate."

Cheers,
Ellen

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

Tell them to read the navrules.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote
| If you're not in a designated anchorage perhaps? Even then, I'm not sure
it
| would apply. Perhaps they don't know the rules. Who are the
"authorities"?
| CG, Sheriff?

Fish and Wildlife Commission enforcement officers. (FWC) State of Florida.

Cheers,
Ellen

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

Feel free to send feedback to the CG. They're pretty good about addressing
concerns like this.

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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
| Perhaps the use of the word "or" is the key in (a)?

Probably but why does it say the shape in (a) *and* (b) when there's
no
shape in (b) only a light. BTW Mr. otn in another post says the official
version
says *lights and shapes* but your official version just says *shapes*.

It's a mess. Somebody needs to make them all the same....

Cheers,
Ellen

Help me with Rule 30 of the colregs please (long)
 

You're right! I suggest letting them know via the website. They'll fix it.

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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
ink.net...
I just went to the USCG site...... They have an error BG in that they
just say "shapes". If you download the full Rules this will be apparent.

otn

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"otnmbrd" wrote
| Don't know where you got that, but it looks like someone was taking the
| wording out of context to explain a point..... the Rule says "lights or
| shapes".

Do they. Look at the official rules that Capt. J.G. linked. They
don't say
lights and shapes, just shapes. (See why I'm confused?) Lights and shapes
definitely makes more sense since shapes aren't mentioned in (b).

| "Anchorages" are specified on charts and in various Sailing Directions
and
| it is these that the Rule is discussing. Keep in mind most of these
Rules
| are written with large vessels as the intended "subject" so that
frequently
| we can find areas that become confusing to small boats.


Thanks. That's what I thought about anchorages. They're marked and
recognized.
A few boats anchored in a harbor doesn't necessarily mean it's an
anchorage.
So, is it your opinion that a 17 foot sailboat anchored in a harbor
that's not an
anchorage listed on a chart required by the rules to show an anchor
light? It's not
"in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other vessels normally
navigate."

Cheers,
Ellen