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No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
The self appointed King of Keels, Douglas King has let us know that he
bought his Hunter 19 without a test sail!!!! My boats thus far..... Catalina 27.....1st boat and two test sails before we bought her. Pearson 30.....sailed two P30's before I bought her. C&C 32....sailed on sistership before buying 35s5...sailed 3 35s5's, two in NY and the boat we bought in Florida. C&C 121....sea trial pending! This is a boat we're looking at down the road. Don't buy a boat without a sea trial and some time aboard or you'll certainly end up a powerboater like Doug King, the King of Keels! RB 35s5 NY |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
Capt. Rob wrote:
The self appointed King of Keels, Douglas King has let us know that he bought his Hunter 19 without a test sail!!!! wrong again butt breath My boats thus far..... Catalina 27.....1st boat and two test sails before we bought her. "a well advertised product" Pearson 30.....sailed two P30's before I bought her. C&C 32....sailed on sistership before buying How much experience do you have sailing fin keel mass production racer-cruisers? Do you have any experience sailing boats that are NOT mass produced fin keel racer-cruisers? 35s5...sailed 3 35s5's, two in NY and the boat we bought in Florida. C&C 121....sea trial pending! This is a boat we're looking at down the road. Don't buy a boat without a sea trial and some time aboard or you'll certainly end up a powerboater like Doug King, the King of Keels! Maybe if you take sailing seriously, and work at gaining experience & knowledge, you will become a real sailor and be able to take your family cruising. Bubbles never will, which is why he is so bitter. DSK |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... The self appointed King of Keels, Douglas King has let us know that he bought his Hunter 19 without a test sail!!!! My boats thus far..... Catalina 27.....1st boat and two test sails before we bought her. Pearson 30.....sailed two P30's before I bought her. C&C 32....sailed on sistership before buying 35s5...sailed 3 35s5's, two in NY and the boat we bought in Florida. C&C 121....sea trial pending! This is a boat we're looking at down the road. Don't buy a boat without a sea trial and some time aboard or you'll certainly end up a powerboater like Doug King, the King of Keels! Rob's advice is absolutely excellent, especially for people who want to keep their boat more than one or two seasons. The more testing and sailing on board the boat you desire, the better. You can find out the flaws, the strong points and things you never would even consider just by extensive testing. One may find an aft cabin and a fast hull together a highly desirable feature but only after a single overnight trip, one finds the hull form generates annoying wave slapping on the aft cabin. The same applies to cars, but there is an even better advantage. Cars are sold in large volumes so there are others who can test it for you. Let the fools who purchase brand new year #1 models based on magazine reviews test it for you. Then when the vehicle is recalled for brake failure after only weeks on the market you will not be at risk. I find Rob's advice iron-clad sound and one would be a gibbering fool not to follow it. Just think of how foolish one would look to brag about an aft cabin, then to complain about the noise and it can't be used as intended or to buy a highly rated minivan based on magazine hype only to have it recalled for brake failure. Rob's advice is flawless! Gilligan |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
I find Rob's advice iron-clad sound and one would be a gibbering fool not to follow it. Just think of how foolish one would look to brag about an aft cabin, then to complain about the noise and it can't be used as intended or to buy a highly rated minivan based on magazine hype only to have it recalled for brake failure. All good points, Gilly and thanks for the support. We had 1st hand experience with the 35s5 and a few warnings about stern slap have been an issue on just ONE night all season! Can you imagine if we'd just listened to a few sailors instead of checking it out ourselves? On the one night it did occur it could have easily been corrected by better anchoring of course! As for our van, the recall was not for our Sedona's serial #. Only some vans were effected. This is the first new car I've bought that has required zero service. My new Subaru's, Nissan, Toyota and Chrysler's all required service within weeks when new. Can't say the same for the new Camry my ex-girlfriend just bought. 3 defects right out of the dealer. It pays to do homework and test yourself when possible! Thanks again! RB 35s5 NY |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... I find Rob's advice iron-clad sound and one would be a gibbering fool not to follow it. Just think of how foolish one would look to brag about an aft cabin, then to complain about the noise and it can't be used as intended or to buy a highly rated minivan based on magazine hype only to have it recalled for brake failure. All good points, Gilly and thanks for the support. We had 1st hand experience with the 35s5 and a few warnings about stern slap have been an issue on just ONE night all season! Can you imagine if we'd just listened to a few sailors instead of checking it out ourselves? On the one night it did occur it could have easily been corrected by better anchoring of course! As for our van, the recall was not for our Sedona's serial #. Only some vans were effected. This is the first new car I've bought that has required zero service. My new Subaru's, Nissan, Toyota and Chrysler's all required service within weeks when new. Can't say the same for the new Camry my ex-girlfriend just bought. 3 defects right out of the dealer. It pays to do homework and test yourself when possible! Thanks again! You're welcome! Glad to be of service. |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
How much experience do you have sailing fin keel mass production racer-cruisers? Sure do. As a broker I know not only transport sailboats, but am always the pilot for sea trials. This season I sailed quite a few "new boats" for me... Cape Dory 22 Santana 30/30 (1st time I really sailed on with good wind...great boat!) Columbia 28 (Still available!) Hunter 43 (just sold) Catalina 250 WB Beneteau 35CC (A pig) Do you have any experience sailing boats that are NOT mass produced fin keel racer-cruisers? Depends on what you call mass produced. If you mean vessels where only one or two hulls were produced, I've sailed very few. Do you consider a RobinHood a mass produced boat? Does the fact that I sailed a Cape Dory 36 mean that I already sailed the boat? Hmmmm. Why do you care about what I sail, Doug. I do sail and post pics regularly. You are a powerboater with a trawler. RB 35s5 NY |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
Every boat is different. Sailing a "sister ship" only gives one a fuzzy
picture of what another boat is like. Fine for general impressions, but not worth much instead of a sea trial. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "DSK" wrote in message ... Capt. Rob wrote: The self appointed King of Keels, Douglas King has let us know that he bought his Hunter 19 without a test sail!!!! wrong again butt breath My boats thus far..... Catalina 27.....1st boat and two test sails before we bought her. "a well advertised product" Pearson 30.....sailed two P30's before I bought her. C&C 32....sailed on sistership before buying How much experience do you have sailing fin keel mass production racer-cruisers? Do you have any experience sailing boats that are NOT mass produced fin keel racer-cruisers? 35s5...sailed 3 35s5's, two in NY and the boat we bought in Florida. C&C 121....sea trial pending! This is a boat we're looking at down the road. Don't buy a boat without a sea trial and some time aboard or you'll certainly end up a powerboater like Doug King, the King of Keels! Maybe if you take sailing seriously, and work at gaining experience & knowledge, you will become a real sailor and be able to take your family cruising. Bubbles never will, which is why he is so bitter. DSK |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
Every boat is different. Sailing a "sister ship" only gives one a fuzzy picture of what another boat is like. Fine for general impressions, but not worth much instead of a sea trial. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I've sailed 3 Pearson 30's, 3 35s5's, 2 J30's, 3 J24's and so on. They all had identical handling and performance with small variations due to dirty bottoms and sails. Fuzzy picture? Oh, OKAY!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! Good lord! RB 35s5 NY |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
Capt. JG wrote:
Every boat is different. Sailing a "sister ship" only gives one a fuzzy picture of what another boat is like. Fine for general impressions, but not worth much instead of a sea trial. Agreed, but then it's also true that you can learn a lot about how a boat sails... specifically, what techniques it rewards and which ones it doesn't... sailing a sistership. The vast majority of production boats are far from one-design, details of hull construction (if not actual hull shape) and rig vary tremendously over a production run. Still, the basic proportions of hull, foils, rig, etc are so close that the boats will behave pretty much the same. Then again, to jump on a sisership with different sails & different tuning might give you the impression that it's a completely different boat. As for the specifics of a given boat's gear, deck layout, wiring, etc etc... you're right on, a sistership is useless as a teaching platform. DSK |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
As for the specifics of a given boat's gear, deck layout, wiring, etc etc... you're right on, a sistership is useless as a teaching platform. Doug, quite honestly, you're a know nothing bag of farts. We are a full service yard and work on many sailboats every season. Catalina, Pearson, C&C, Rangers, Freedom's and all the rest come through and I see plenty of them. While there are changes now and again, the vast majority of production boats are VERY close right down to the wiring. The 35s5 that I surveyed prior to buying Heart of Gold was IDENTICAL to the one we puchased in every important way. If you can't get a SOLID idea of a boat from a properly set up sistership, you're absolutely retarded. Such idiocy would astound me if it wasn't from Doug, the King of Keels! RB 35s5 NY |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Out of the left side of his mouth: the vast majority of production boats are VERY close right down to the wiring. And yet, in this same thread out of the right side of his mouth: As for our van, the recall was not for our Sedona's serial #. Only some vans were effected. So, is your foot positioned in the middle of your mouth? |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
And yet, in this same thread out of the right side of his mouth:
As for our van, the recall was not for our Sedona's serial #. Yeah, those Pearson brake recalls REALLY effected sailing performance!!! And my Sedona has totally different handling and features from other 2006 Sedonas!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! Gilly, you're another bag of farts who pretends to sail! Hooooh ahhhh! RB 35s5 NY |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Yeah, those Pearson brake recalls REALLY effected sailing performance!!! And my Sedona has totally different handling and features from other 2006 Sedonas!!! Thank you. It was Jonathan who said: Every boat is different. Sailing a "sister ship" only gives one a fuzzy picture of what another boat is like. Fine for general impressions, but not worth much instead of a sea trial. It was Doug who said: Agreed, but then it's also true that you can learn a lot about how a boat sails... specifically, what techniques it rewards and which ones it doesn't... sailing a sistership. The vast majority of production boats are far from one-design, details of hull construction (if not actual hull shape) and rig vary tremendously over a production run. Still, the basic proportions of hull, foils, rig, etc are so close that the boats will behave pretty much the same. Then again, to jump on a sisership with different sails & different tuning might give you the impression that it's a completely different boat. As for the specifics of a given boat's gear, deck layout, wiring, etc etc... you're right on, a sistership is useless as a teaching platform. I'm glad to see you agreeing with them. They both have lots of experience, qualifications and awards for sailing. You will learn a lot from them in during your long sailing apprenticeship. BTW A Pearson sailboat does not have brakes. I can understand your gullibility and all, but who ever told you that did you no favor. Other Kia 2006 Sedonas do have the potential for radically different handling and performance. That's why they were recalled. Hang in there Bob, you'll catch on. Eventually. |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
BTW A Pearson sailboat does not have brakes. Ever hear of a SEA ANCHOR??? Ever use one??? BWAHAHAHAHAHHA!!! 2006 Sedonas do have the potential for radically different handling and performance. Yep, mine is on 13 inch tires!!! Oh, Gilly! You're soooo silly. But you're still a bag of farts just like Doug who doesn't sail. RB 35s5 NY |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
There is really a lot to admitre about you Rob. Just like the boy who hung
out at the newspaper loading docks who eventually got a route, went on to become a reporter and then the owner of the paper, you hang out out the marina, eager to run any errand, do any chore to get your start. With time and perserverance you'll move up to wharfside laddie-boy and then when you need less supervision you'll get to work the holding tank pumps or at least hold the hose. Your youthful inexperience will soon transform to middle age ineptitude.At that level you'll be performing tasks requiring minimal supervision and maybe be given some tasks requiring use of your own limited judgement. Stick to it Robbo, you can do it! |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... Doug is a know nothing, non-sailing, Bag of Farts and now Gilly is a know nothing, non-sailing bag of farts. That is one of the greatest compliments a person could be served. Thank you kindly for classifying me in the same sailing category as Doug King. While I believe he is leagues beyond my experience and ability, your consideration of me as his peer is warmly appreciated. Thank you, Gilligan |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
Gilligan wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... Doug is a know nothing, non-sailing, Bag of Farts and now Gilly is a know nothing, non-sailing bag of farts. That is one of the greatest compliments a person could be served. Thank you kindly for classifying me in the same sailing category as Doug King. While I believe he is leagues beyond my experience and ability, your consideration of me as his peer is warmly appreciated. Thank you, Gilligan Those of us who know Doug, know the truth. BS obviously doesn't know him. Neither does CWM. They should be so lucky. |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"katy" wrote in message ... Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... Doug is a know nothing, non-sailing, Bag of Farts and now Gilly is a know nothing, non-sailing bag of farts. That is one of the greatest compliments a person could be served. Thank you kindly for classifying me in the same sailing category as Doug King. While I believe he is leagues beyond my experience and ability, your consideration of me as his peer is warmly appreciated. Thank you, Gilligan Those of us who know Doug, know the truth. BS obviously doesn't know him. Neither does CWM. They should be so lucky. I think the opposite may be true and they could be acting out of jealousy or even worse. Krusty has made it be known that Doug's wife is a doctor that is head of an entire medical division at one of the world's greatest university hospitals and BS wife is an entry level nurse (trade school educated) at a single specialty institution. How could BS top that? Then it is easy to find out that Doug is a champion sailor and has sailed for many decades. How could BS top that? Doug can afford to run a trawler and he's looking for a largish racing sailboat. How can BS top that? Doug lives in a beautiful area with more trees in his yard than BS has in a quarter mile radius. How can BS top that? Add to that Doug's licensed professional maritime qualifications (held for decades), Doug's science backed college education, Doug's ability to think rationally, Doug's knowledge of history, economics, all things nautical, his musical abilities, etc there is nothing BS can top. That's why the relentless personal attacks by BS. He is simply jealous or may even be tinged by hatred. I don't like to see Robert abused by so many, so I think when he puffs himself up with his many maritime fantasy-experiences - surveyor, harbor pilot, electrical technician or whatever Walter Mitty thought happens to be occupying his mind at the time we should be the better person, amuse him and offer encouragement. |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
Gilligan wrote:
"katy" wrote in message ... Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... Doug is a know nothing, non-sailing, Bag of Farts and now Gilly is a know nothing, non-sailing bag of farts. That is one of the greatest compliments a person could be served. Thank you kindly for classifying me in the same sailing category as Doug King. While I believe he is leagues beyond my experience and ability, your consideration of me as his peer is warmly appreciated. Thank you, Gilligan Those of us who know Doug, know the truth. BS obviously doesn't know him. Neither does CWM. They should be so lucky. I think the opposite may be true and they could be acting out of jealousy or even worse. Krusty has made it be known that Doug's wife is a doctor that is head of an entire medical division at one of the world's greatest university hospitals and BS wife is an entry level nurse (trade school educated) at a single specialty institution. How could BS top that? Then it is easy to find out that Doug is a champion sailor and has sailed for many decades. How could BS top that? Doug can afford to run a trawler and he's looking for a largish racing sailboat. How can BS top that? Doug lives in a beautiful area with more trees in his yard than BS has in a quarter mile radius. How can BS top that? Add to that Doug's licensed professional maritime qualifications (held for decades), Doug's science backed college education, Doug's ability to think rationally, Doug's knowledge of history, economics, all things nautical, his musical abilities, etc there is nothing BS can top. That's why the relentless personal attacks by BS. He is simply jealous or may even be tinged by hatred. I don't like to see Robert abused by so many, so I think when he puffs himself up with his many maritime fantasy-experiences - surveyor, harbor pilot, electrical technician or whatever Walter Mitty thought happens to be occupying his mind at the time we should be the better person, amuse him and offer encouragement. Counter-productive. Entrenching him in his own delusions will only serve to make the problem worse. I see your point about the foundations of his claims against Doug, but do not think it should be played into. Rather. he should be castigated and brought to his senses..or at the very least, reminded to take his meds and keep his shrink appointments. |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:28:25 -0400, katy wrote: Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... Doug is a know nothing, non-sailing, Bag of Farts and now Gilly is a know nothing, non-sailing bag of farts. That is one of the greatest compliments a person could be served. Thank you kindly for classifying me in the same sailing category as Doug King. While I believe he is leagues beyond my experience and ability, your consideration of me as his peer is warmly appreciated. Thank you, Gilligan Those of us who know Doug, know the truth. BS obviously doesn't know him. Neither does CWM. They should be so lucky. You are correct that I do not know Doug personally. He knows just as much about me. All either of us knows is what is presented here in usenet for evidence. I suspect we are probably both very wrong on many counts. But all we are ever likely to know of each other is what gets written here, so as far as I am concerned, Doug will continue to be judged as the obnoxious ignorant blowhard who doesn't sail, but says he does. That's what has been presented here. Now watch for his snappy and mature response... CWM Yet others here have told you that he does indeed sail and sails often. I suppose you can call us all liars, but that wouldn't be the truth. Doug does sail, is very knowledgeable about sailing, and is very pleasant to be around socially. He is an interesting conversationalist and is well-informed on a variety of subjects. He also has a good sense of humor and is pretty laid back You can believe that or not, but as a person who knows him in real life, I think you would do well to temper your judgment. |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:46:08 -0400, katy wrote: Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:28:25 -0400, katy wrote: Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... Doug is a know nothing, non-sailing, Bag of Farts and now Gilly is a know nothing, non-sailing bag of farts. That is one of the greatest compliments a person could be served. Thank you kindly for classifying me in the same sailing category as Doug King. While I believe he is leagues beyond my experience and ability, your consideration of me as his peer is warmly appreciated. Thank you, Gilligan Those of us who know Doug, know the truth. BS obviously doesn't know him. Neither does CWM. They should be so lucky. You are correct that I do not know Doug personally. He knows just as much about me. All either of us knows is what is presented here in usenet for evidence. I suspect we are probably both very wrong on many counts. But all we are ever likely to know of each other is what gets written here, so as far as I am concerned, Doug will continue to be judged as the obnoxious ignorant blowhard who doesn't sail, but says he does. That's what has been presented here. Now watch for his snappy and mature response... CWM Yet others here have told you that he does indeed sail and sails often. I suppose you can call us all liars, but that wouldn't be the truth. Doug does sail, is very knowledgeable about sailing, and is very pleasant to be around socially. He is an interesting conversationalist and is well-informed on a variety of subjects. He also has a good sense of humor and is pretty laid back You can believe that or not, but as a person who knows him in real life, I think you would do well to temper your judgment. Then I can expect you and Doug to temper your judgement of me as well? You are telling me things about Doug that are very hard to believe, given his posts in usenet, which is all I have to go on. I guess you would be amazed if you ever met me in person, as I'm really not much like my usenet persona, either. Very few people are. CWM Wouldn't know...most people I've met from this group, and it's a few, are what they seem to be here. I guess it's how you personigy yourself. I have no trouble with being "the real me" on Usenet..Maxprop has confirmed on several occasions that I am in real life as I an here .I haven't anything against you except that you make derogatory remarks about people I condier friends. What kind of a friend would I be if I did not come to their support? |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Charlie Morgan" wrote: On 6 Sep 2006 10:14:22 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote: And yet, in this same thread out of the right side of his mouth: As for our van, the recall was not for our Sedona's serial #. Yeah, those Pearson brake recalls REALLY effected sailing performance!!! And my Sedona has totally different handling and features from other 2006 Sedonas!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! Gilly, you're another bag of farts who pretends to sail! Hooooh ahhhh! RB 35s5 NY Doug is a know nothing, non-sailing, Bag of Farts and now Gilly is a know nothing, non-sailing bag of farts. I believe there is a "two self-absorbed fartbags per group" rule in usenet, so Mooron's history! CWM Don't be so damn rough on Capt. Mooron! A man of His caliber only farts after a case of very strong beer! He's the best "drinking buddy" a woman ever had... Lighten up, old man! ;-) LP P.S. Waiting with baited breath [again] |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:40:42 -0400, katy wrote: Gilligan wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... Doug is a know nothing, non-sailing, Bag of Farts and now Gilly is a know nothing, non-sailing bag of farts. That is one of the greatest compliments a person could be served. Thank you kindly for classifying me in the same sailing category as Doug King. While I believe he is leagues beyond my experience and ability, your consideration of me as his peer is warmly appreciated. Thank you, Gilligan Those of us who know Doug, know the truth. BS obviously doesn't know him. Neither does CWM. They should be so lucky. I think the opposite may be true and they could be acting out of jealousy or even worse. Krusty has made it be known that Doug's wife is a doctor that is head of an entire medical division at one of the world's greatest university hospitals and BS wife is an entry level nurse (trade school educated) at a single specialty institution. How could BS top that? Then it is easy to find out that Doug is a champion sailor and has sailed for many decades. How could BS top that? Doug can afford to run a trawler and he's looking for a largish racing sailboat. How can BS top that? Doug lives in a beautiful area with more trees in his yard than BS has in a quarter mile radius. How can BS top that? Add to that Doug's licensed professional maritime qualifications (held for decades), Doug's science backed college education, Doug's ability to think rationally, Doug's knowledge of history, economics, all things nautical, his musical abilities, etc there is nothing BS can top. That's why the relentless personal attacks by BS. He is simply jealous or may even be tinged by hatred. I don't like to see Robert abused by so many, so I think when he puffs himself up with his many maritime fantasy-experiences - surveyor, harbor pilot, electrical technician or whatever Walter Mitty thought happens to be occupying his mind at the time we should be the better person, amuse him and offer encouragement. Counter-productive. Entrenching him in his own delusions will only serve to make the problem worse. I see your point about the foundations of his claims against Doug, but do not think it should be played into. Rather. he should be castigated and brought to his senses..or at the very least, reminded to take his meds and keep his shrink appointments. You seem quite self-contradicting given your advice to me in a recent post. You really don't know the true Bobsprit. Temper your opinions accordingly. CWM Bobsprit does not even make an attempt at being a real person. In the years I have been posting on this group, he has lied, obfuscated and mislead more times than anyone can count. And then he laughs and admits his game. Of that is not the real BS, than what is there to value? It's only self-contradicting if I, too, were playing the game and did not represent myself as I really am. Does he have something to fear? Does he need to cloak his identity in secrecy? Or is his anonymity just a shield to protect his adolescent behavior? If you know him personally, then tell us about him. If your rendition is far away from what he represents here, then I feel sorry that you are indeed associated with a sociopath. |
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You are correct that I do not know Doug personally.
In other words, you make your assertions about my knowledge, skills, activities, in complete ignorance of them. That's a bad habit. .... He knows just as much about me. Actually, you'd be uneasy if you realized how much I know about you. ... All either of us knows is what is presented here in usenet for evidence. I suspect we are probably both very wrong on many counts. But all we are ever likely to know of each other is what gets written here Wrong again. Many of us have met some of the others in real life. In fact, I would have dropped this newsgroup long ago if I hadn't met a few of the participants and gotten to know them better. It's been rewarding. katysails wrote: Yet others here have told you Thank you very much for the vote of confidence, Katysails. Those who know you and your high standards will consider this a great compliment. But a leopard doesn't change his spots, and a dog always returns to his vomit. Lost cause probably. But Gilly also has a point, we should try to be better people and more charitable to Bobsprit & his pal here. Regards Doug King |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com.. .. . The 35s5 that I surveyed prior to buying Heart of Gold was IDENTICAL to the one we puchased in every important way. And by that he means that the ''beds'' were the same length and the ''bathroom'' was big enough for his fat ass.. Scotty |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:46:21 -0400, katy wrote: Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:40:42 -0400, katy wrote: Gilligan wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... Doug is a know nothing, non-sailing, Bag of Farts and now Gilly is a know nothing, non-sailing bag of farts. That is one of the greatest compliments a person could be served. Thank you kindly for classifying me in the same sailing category as Doug King. While I believe he is leagues beyond my experience and ability, your consideration of me as his peer is warmly appreciated. Thank you, Gilligan Those of us who know Doug, know the truth. BS obviously doesn't know him. Neither does CWM. They should be so lucky. I think the opposite may be true and they could be acting out of jealousy or even worse. Krusty has made it be known that Doug's wife is a doctor that is head of an entire medical division at one of the world's greatest university hospitals and BS wife is an entry level nurse (trade school educated) at a single specialty institution. How could BS top that? Then it is easy to find out that Doug is a champion sailor and has sailed for many decades. How could BS top that? Doug can afford to run a trawler and he's looking for a largish racing sailboat. How can BS top that? Doug lives in a beautiful area with more trees in his yard than BS has in a quarter mile radius. How can BS top that? Add to that Doug's licensed professional maritime qualifications (held for decades), Doug's science backed college education, Doug's ability to think rationally, Doug's knowledge of history, economics, all things nautical, his musical abilities, etc there is nothing BS can top. That's why the relentless personal attacks by BS. He is simply jealous or may even be tinged by hatred. I don't like to see Robert abused by so many, so I think when he puffs himself up with his many maritime fantasy-experiences - surveyor, harbor pilot, electrical technician or whatever Walter Mitty thought happens to be occupying his mind at the time we should be the better person, amuse him and offer encouragement. Counter-productive. Entrenching him in his own delusions will only serve to make the problem worse. I see your point about the foundations of his claims against Doug, but do not think it should be played into. Rather. he should be castigated and brought to his senses..or at the very least, reminded to take his meds and keep his shrink appointments. You seem quite self-contradicting given your advice to me in a recent post. You really don't know the true Bobsprit. Temper your opinions accordingly. CWM Bobsprit does not even make an attempt at being a real person. In the years I have been posting on this group, he has lied, obfuscated and mislead more times than anyone can count. And then he laughs and admits his game. Of that is not the real BS, than what is there to value? It's only self-contradicting if I, too, were playing the game and did not represent myself as I really am. Does he have something to fear? Does he need to cloak his identity in secrecy? Or is his anonymity just a shield to protect his adolescent behavior? If you know him personally, then tell us about him. If your rendition is far away from what he represents here, then I feel sorry that you are indeed associated with a sociopath. Never met him or even talked with him on the phone. Why don't you try following your own advice some time? Why would I think you are any more genuine and real than anyone else here? A few sock puppets verifying lies about each other isn't much in the way of proof. You might be one character in a menagerie created by someone else. How would I know differently, and why would I care, given that this is usenet? CWM I've never hid who I am, where I live, or what I do. If I had, I would have suffered a lot less grief, but being a basically honest person who is comfortable with who I am; I've never seen a reason to hide my identity. Maxprop is a real person and is in person as he is here. Can't speak to his reasons why he's using a pseudonym. I use this ng as a way to keep in touch with other sailors, those I know in person, those I don't know, and those I hope ti meet in the future. Usenet is many different things to diferent people. Since you've been upfront about the fact that you use Usenet for subterfuge, then so be it. Post away. |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:39:44 -0400, katy wrote: Someone else on usenet "confirming" anything about you does not mean anything. Maxprop is not real. He's just another character on usenet. He used to post under his real name, but that was a long time ago. Now he plays a character named maxprop. I'm at least as real as he is. I'm also a lot nicer in person. I absolutely guarantee it! In other words, you have no life outside of this NG. that's so pathetic. SBV |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:54:40 -0400, katy wrote: Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:46:21 -0400, katy wrote: Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:40:42 -0400, katy wrote: Gilligan wrote: "katy" wrote in message ... Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... Doug is a know nothing, non-sailing, Bag of Farts and now Gilly is a know nothing, non-sailing bag of farts. That is one of the greatest compliments a person could be served. Thank you kindly for classifying me in the same sailing category as Doug King. While I believe he is leagues beyond my experience and ability, your consideration of me as his peer is warmly appreciated. Thank you, Gilligan Those of us who know Doug, know the truth. BS obviously doesn't know him. Neither does CWM. They should be so lucky. I think the opposite may be true and they could be acting out of jealousy or even worse. Krusty has made it be known that Doug's wife is a doctor that is head of an entire medical division at one of the world's greatest university hospitals and BS wife is an entry level nurse (trade school educated) at a single specialty institution. How could BS top that? Then it is easy to find out that Doug is a champion sailor and has sailed for many decades. How could BS top that? Doug can afford to run a trawler and he's looking for a largish racing sailboat. How can BS top that? Doug lives in a beautiful area with more trees in his yard than BS has in a quarter mile radius. How can BS top that? Add to that Doug's licensed professional maritime qualifications (held for decades), Doug's science backed college education, Doug's ability to think rationally, Doug's knowledge of history, economics, all things nautical, his musical abilities, etc there is nothing BS can top. That's why the relentless personal attacks by BS. He is simply jealous or may even be tinged by hatred. I don't like to see Robert abused by so many, so I think when he puffs himself up with his many maritime fantasy-experiences - surveyor, harbor pilot, electrical technician or whatever Walter Mitty thought happens to be occupying his mind at the time we should be the better person, amuse him and offer encouragement. Counter-productive. Entrenching him in his own delusions will only serve to make the problem worse. I see your point about the foundations of his claims against Doug, but do not think it should be played into. Rather. he should be castigated and brought to his senses..or at the very least, reminded to take his meds and keep his shrink appointments. You seem quite self-contradicting given your advice to me in a recent post. You really don't know the true Bobsprit. Temper your opinions accordingly. CWM Bobsprit does not even make an attempt at being a real person. In the years I have been posting on this group, he has lied, obfuscated and mislead more times than anyone can count. And then he laughs and admits his game. Of that is not the real BS, than what is there to value? It's only self-contradicting if I, too, were playing the game and did not represent myself as I really am. Does he have something to fear? Does he need to cloak his identity in secrecy? Or is his anonymity just a shield to protect his adolescent behavior? If you know him personally, then tell us about him. If your rendition is far away from what he represents here, then I feel sorry that you are indeed associated with a sociopath. Never met him or even talked with him on the phone. Why don't you try following your own advice some time? Why would I think you are any more genuine and real than anyone else here? A few sock puppets verifying lies about each other isn't much in the way of proof. You might be one character in a menagerie created by someone else. How would I know differently, and why would I care, given that this is usenet? CWM I've never hid who I am, where I live, or what I do. If I had, I would have suffered a lot less grief, but being a basically honest person who is comfortable with who I am; I've never seen a reason to hide my identity. Maxprop is a real person and is in person as he is here. Can't speak to his reasons why he's using a pseudonym. I use this ng as a way to keep in touch with other sailors, those I know in person, those I don't know, and those I hope ti meet in the future. Usenet is many different things to diferent people. Since you've been upfront about the fact that you use Usenet for subterfuge, then so be it. Post away. How can you prove that you are not an invention (sockpuppet) of Captain Neal? I have no way of knowing that you are really who you say you are. You wouldn't believe how many usenet nitwits say they are somehow honest and believeable because they post under what they claim is their own name. Who says it's their own name? I used to get that crap all the time, and so now I post under what LOOKS like a regular name, and for the most part nobody anywhere in usenet questions it. CWM In Ocotner you can come down to New Bern and introduce yourself. As simple as that. |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:39:44 -0400, katy wrote: Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:46:08 -0400, katy wrote: Charlie Morgan wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:28:25 -0400, katy wrote: Gilligan wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... Doug is a know nothing, non-sailing, Bag of Farts and now Gilly is a know nothing, non-sailing bag of farts. That is one of the greatest compliments a person could be served. Thank you kindly for classifying me in the same sailing category as Doug King. While I believe he is leagues beyond my experience and ability, your consideration of me as his peer is warmly appreciated. Thank you, Gilligan Those of us who know Doug, know the truth. BS obviously doesn't know him. Neither does CWM. They should be so lucky. You are correct that I do not know Doug personally. He knows just as much about me. All either of us knows is what is presented here in usenet for evidence. I suspect we are probably both very wrong on many counts. But all we are ever likely to know of each other is what gets written here, so as far as I am concerned, Doug will continue to be judged as the obnoxious ignorant blowhard who doesn't sail, but says he does. That's what has been presented here. Now watch for his snappy and mature response... CWM Yet others here have told you that he does indeed sail and sails often. I suppose you can call us all liars, but that wouldn't be the truth. Doug does sail, is very knowledgeable about sailing, and is very pleasant to be around socially. He is an interesting conversationalist and is well-informed on a variety of subjects. He also has a good sense of humor and is pretty laid back You can believe that or not, but as a person who knows him in real life, I think you would do well to temper your judgment. Then I can expect you and Doug to temper your judgement of me as well? You are telling me things about Doug that are very hard to believe, given his posts in usenet, which is all I have to go on. I guess you would be amazed if you ever met me in person, as I'm really not much like my usenet persona, either. Very few people are. CWM Wouldn't know...most people I've met from this group, and it's a few, are what they seem to be here. I guess it's how you personigy yourself. I have no trouble with being "the real me" on Usenet..Maxprop has confirmed on several occasions that I am in real life as I an here .I haven't anything against you except that you make derogatory remarks about people I condier friends. What kind of a friend would I be if I did not come to their support? Someone else on usenet "confirming" anything about you does not mean anything. Maxprop is not real. He's just another character on usenet. He used to post under his real name, but that was a long time ago. Now he plays a character named maxprop. I'm at least as real as he is. I'm also a lot nicer in person. I absolutely guarantee it! Maxprop is real, if not my real name. Katy knows that. And you know that, too. You've posted my name to everyone's attention repeatedly, as if that's some admirable feat of cybernetic prowess or at least an irritation to me. I don't post under my name any longer because of the problems it has brought in the past. Maxprop is just a moniker, not a sock puppet. I've posted the same as Maxprop as with my real name. I'd have to suspect that you probably are a much nicer person vis-a-vis than you appear to be by your posts. As Binary Bill you were an absurd jerk, given to nastiness and childish outbursts. As MysTerry, you were argumentative and caustic. As CWM you've tempered your posts to a level that would be considered acerbic and only mildly irritating. I'm convinced that by the time you get to your next moniker, you'll probably be an okay sort, but I'm not holding my breath. Max |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:58:54 -0400, DSK wrote: You are correct that I do not know Doug personally. In other words, you make your assertions about my knowledge, skills, activities, in complete ignorance of them. That's a bad habit. No. I make a fair ansd reasonable judgement about you based on your participation here. That's all you have. .... He knows just as much about me. Actually, you'd be uneasy if you realized how much I know about you. Yeah, you keep saying that, but you are totally clueless, as has been demonstrated countless times. You don't even know my first name. Go ahead. Tell us! Give me a shred of evidence that you know anything about me personally. You spent months convinced I was Bobsprit posting under another name, because your overblown ego couldn;t accept that more than one person thought you were a blowhard jerk. Being able to read and understand headers might have saved you a lot of embarrassment. That nonsense about me changing my ISP for reasons of "legality" was one of your lamest. It really demonstrated your lack of education. What "legality" would cause someone to change their ISP? How does THAT work? You are a dunce. A slow speaking, southern DUNCE. So, what's my real first name? Hint: It's not Bill, William, Bob, Robert, or anything else you might guess. It's not Larry or Lawrence, either. So, what is it, genius? Yeah, right! CWM Guess I misjudged you in my other post, CWM. You're still an absurd jerk. Max |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Gilligan" wrote in message news:iZ- I don't like to see Robert abused by so many . . . . . . but I believe Robert does. It makes no sense that he'd continue to fabricate a life of modest grandeur and post it all here in Cinemascope and Technicolor if he didn't enjoy the responsive abuse. He's a chronic troll, embroiled in a process that lends a modicum of interest to his otherwise boring, pointless life. His computer is the only conduit of relief from his agonizingly dull existence. You object to those of us who abuse Mr. Brody, but without us he has virtually nothing else. Max Max |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message You really don't know the true Bobsprit. Do you? How so? Max |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message Never met him or even talked with him on the phone. So you don't know the real Bobsprit either. Why don't you try following your own advice some time? Why would I think you are any more genuine and real than anyone else here? A few sock puppets verifying lies about each other isn't much in the way of proof. You might be one character in a menagerie created by someone else. How would I know differently, and why would I care, given that this is usenet? Katy is genuine, without a significant difference between her posts and her demeanor face-to-face. Well, that's not entirely true--she laughs a lot more in person. You, OTOH, have posted as the asshole Binary Bill, the Whitworth jerk MysTerry, and now as CWM. We know for a fact that you're a fraud. He let me save you the trouble. My name is Jeff Coppes. Sorry, BB, but posting my name seems to be your only ammunition, feeble and simple-minded as it is. Max |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message How can you prove that you are not an invention (sockpuppet) of Captain Neal? LOL !!!!!!!!!!!! But seriously folks, Katy has the testimony of both Doug and me that she is genuine. Who can or will testify for you that you are whom you claim to be?? That's what I thought. Max |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"katy" wrote in message ... In Ocotner you can come down to New Bern and introduce yourself. As simple as that. There goes the neighborhood. Max |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... How much experience do you have sailing fin keel mass production racer-cruisers? Sure do. As a broker I know not only transport sailboats, Yulp, everyone should test transport a boat before buying it. Does the fact that I sailed a Cape Dory 36 mean that I already sailed the boat? WTF ? SV |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:46:21 -0400, katy wrote: Why would I think you are any more genuine and real than anyone else here? A few sock puppets verifying lies about each other isn't much in the way of proof. You might be one character in a menagerie created by someone else. How would I know differently If you only had a brain..... |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"katy" wrote in message ... CWM I've never hid who I am, where I live, or what I do. If I had, I would have suffered a lot less grief, but being a basically honest person who is comfortable with who I am; I've never seen a reason to hide my identity. Maxprop is a real person and is in person as he is here. Can't speak to his reasons why he's using a pseudonym. I use this ng as a way to keep in touch with other sailors, those I know in person, those I don't know, and those I hope ti meet in the future. Usenet is many different things to diferent people. Since you've been upfront about the fact that you use Usenet for subterfuge, then so be it. Post away. Katy, teaching pigs to sing................. |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"DSK" wrote in message .. . Thank you very much for the vote of confidence, Katysails. Those who know you and your high standards will consider this a great compliment. But a leopard doesn't change his spots, and a dog always returns to his vomit. Lost cause probably. But Gilly also has a point, we should try to be better people and more charitable to Bobsprit & his pal here. But a rabid dog needs to be shot. For his own sake as well as others. SBV |
No Test Sail for Doug, the King of Keels!
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... if So, what's my real first name? ****. Last name, Head. SBV |
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