The self appointed King of Keels, Douglas King has let us know that he
bought his Hunter 19 without a test sail!!!!

My boats thus far.....
Catalina 27.....1st boat and two test sails before we bought her.
Pearson 30.....sailed two P30's before I bought her.
C&C 32....sailed on sistership before buying
35s5...sailed 3 35s5's, two in NY and the boat we bought in Florida.
C&C 121....sea trial pending! This is a boat we're looking at down the
road.


Don't buy a boat without a sea trial and some time aboard or you'll
certainly end up a powerboater like Doug King, the King of Keels!



RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:

The self appointed King of Keels, Douglas King has let us know that he
bought his Hunter 19 without a test sail!!!!


wrong again butt breath

My boats thus far.....
Catalina 27.....1st boat and two test sails before we bought her.

"a well advertised product"


Pearson 30.....sailed two P30's before I bought her.
C&C 32....sailed on sistership before buying

How much experience do you have sailing fin keel mass
production racer-cruisers?
Do you have any experience sailing boats that are NOT mass
produced fin keel racer-cruisers?



35s5...sailed 3 35s5's, two in NY and the boat we bought in Florida.
C&C 121....sea trial pending! This is a boat we're looking at down the
road.


Don't buy a boat without a sea trial and some time aboard or you'll
certainly end up a powerboater like Doug King, the King of Keels!


Maybe if you take sailing seriously, and work at gaining
experience & knowledge, you will become a real sailor and be
able to take your family cruising.

Bubbles never will, which is why he is so bitter.

DSK

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
The self appointed King of Keels, Douglas King has let us know that he
bought his Hunter 19 without a test sail!!!!

My boats thus far.....
Catalina 27.....1st boat and two test sails before we bought her.
Pearson 30.....sailed two P30's before I bought her.
C&C 32....sailed on sistership before buying
35s5...sailed 3 35s5's, two in NY and the boat we bought in Florida.
C&C 121....sea trial pending! This is a boat we're looking at down the
road.


Don't buy a boat without a sea trial and some time aboard or you'll
certainly end up a powerboater like Doug King, the King of Keels!


Rob's advice is absolutely excellent, especially for people who want to keep
their boat more than one or two seasons. The more testing and sailing on
board the boat you desire, the better. You can find out the flaws, the
strong points and things you never would even consider just by extensive
testing. One may find an aft cabin and a fast hull together a highly
desirable feature but only after a single overnight trip, one finds the hull
form generates annoying wave slapping on the aft cabin. The same applies to
cars, but there is an even better advantage. Cars are sold in large volumes
so there are others who can test it for you. Let the fools who purchase
brand new year #1 models based on magazine reviews test it for you. Then
when the vehicle is recalled for brake failure after only weeks on the
market you will not be at risk. I find Rob's advice iron-clad sound and one
would be a gibbering fool not to follow it. Just think of how foolish one
would look to brag about an aft cabin, then to complain about the noise and
it can't be used as intended or to buy a highly rated minivan based on
magazine hype only to have it recalled for brake failure. Rob's advice is
flawless!

Gilligan

I find Rob's advice iron-clad sound and one
would be a gibbering fool not to follow it. Just think of how foolish
one
would look to brag about an aft cabin, then to complain about the noise
and
it can't be used as intended or to buy a highly rated minivan based on
magazine hype only to have it recalled for brake failure.



All good points, Gilly and thanks for the support. We had 1st hand
experience with the 35s5 and a few warnings about stern slap have been
an issue on just ONE night all season! Can you imagine if we'd just
listened to a few sailors instead of checking it out ourselves? On the
one night it did occur it could have easily been corrected by better
anchoring of course!
As for our van, the recall was not for our Sedona's serial #. Only some
vans were effected. This is the first new car I've bought that has
required zero service. My new Subaru's, Nissan, Toyota and Chrysler's
all required service within weeks when new. Can't say the same for the
new Camry my ex-girlfriend just bought. 3 defects right out of the
dealer.
It pays to do homework and test yourself when possible!
Thanks again!



RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

I find Rob's advice iron-clad sound and one
would be a gibbering fool not to follow it. Just think of how foolish
one
would look to brag about an aft cabin, then to complain about the noise
and
it can't be used as intended or to buy a highly rated minivan based on
magazine hype only to have it recalled for brake failure.



All good points, Gilly and thanks for the support. We had 1st hand
experience with the 35s5 and a few warnings about stern slap have been
an issue on just ONE night all season! Can you imagine if we'd just
listened to a few sailors instead of checking it out ourselves? On the
one night it did occur it could have easily been corrected by better
anchoring of course!
As for our van, the recall was not for our Sedona's serial #. Only some
vans were effected. This is the first new car I've bought that has
required zero service. My new Subaru's, Nissan, Toyota and Chrysler's
all required service within weeks when new. Can't say the same for the
new Camry my ex-girlfriend just bought. 3 defects right out of the
dealer.
It pays to do homework and test yourself when possible!
Thanks again!

You're welcome! Glad to be of service.

How much experience do you have sailing fin keel mass
production racer-cruisers?

Sure do. As a broker I know not only transport sailboats, but am always
the pilot for sea trials. This season I sailed quite a few "new boats"
for me...
Cape Dory 22
Santana 30/30 (1st time I really sailed on with good wind...great
boat!)
Columbia 28 (Still available!)
Hunter 43 (just sold)
Catalina 250 WB
Beneteau 35CC (A pig)

Do you have any experience sailing boats that are NOT mass
produced fin keel racer-cruisers?


Depends on what you call mass produced. If you mean vessels where only
one or two hulls were produced, I've sailed very few. Do you consider a
RobinHood a mass produced boat? Does the fact that I sailed a Cape Dory
36 mean that I already sailed the boat? Hmmmm.
Why do you care about what I sail, Doug. I do sail and post pics
regularly. You are a powerboater with a trawler.


RB
35s5
NY

Every boat is different. Sailing a "sister ship" only gives one a fuzzy
picture of what another boat is like. Fine for general impressions, but not
worth much instead of a sea trial.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Capt. Rob wrote:

The self appointed King of Keels, Douglas King has let us know that he
bought his Hunter 19 without a test sail!!!!


wrong again butt breath

My boats thus far.....
Catalina 27.....1st boat and two test sails before we bought her.

"a well advertised product"


Pearson 30.....sailed two P30's before I bought her.
C&C 32....sailed on sistership before buying

How much experience do you have sailing fin keel mass production
racer-cruisers?
Do you have any experience sailing boats that are NOT mass produced fin
keel racer-cruisers?



35s5...sailed 3 35s5's, two in NY and the boat we bought in Florida.
C&C 121....sea trial pending! This is a boat we're looking at down the
road.


Don't buy a boat without a sea trial and some time aboard or you'll
certainly end up a powerboater like Doug King, the King of Keels!


Maybe if you take sailing seriously, and work at gaining experience &
knowledge, you will become a real sailor and be able to take your family
cruising.

Bubbles never will, which is why he is so bitter.

DSK

Every boat is different. Sailing a "sister ship" only gives one a fuzzy

picture of what another boat is like. Fine for general impressions, but
not
worth much instead of a sea trial.




BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I've sailed 3 Pearson 30's, 3 35s5's, 2 J30's, 3
J24's and so on. They all had identical handling and performance with
small variations due to dirty bottoms and sails. Fuzzy picture? Oh,
OKAY!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! Good lord!


RB
35s5
NY

Capt. JG wrote:
Every boat is different. Sailing a "sister ship" only gives one a fuzzy
picture of what another boat is like. Fine for general impressions, but not
worth much instead of a sea trial.


Agreed, but then it's also true that you can learn a lot
about how a boat sails... specifically, what techniques it
rewards and which ones it doesn't... sailing a sistership.

The vast majority of production boats are far from
one-design, details of hull construction (if not actual hull
shape) and rig vary tremendously over a production run.
Still, the basic proportions of hull, foils, rig, etc are so
close that the boats will behave pretty much the same. Then
again, to jump on a sisership with different sails &
different tuning might give you the impression that it's a
completely different boat.

As for the specifics of a given boat's gear, deck layout,
wiring, etc etc... you're right on, a sistership is useless
as a teaching platform.

DSK

As for the specifics of a given boat's gear, deck layout,
wiring, etc etc... you're right on, a sistership is useless
as a teaching platform.


Doug, quite honestly, you're a know nothing bag of farts. We are a full
service yard and work on many sailboats every season. Catalina,
Pearson, C&C, Rangers, Freedom's and all the rest come through and I
see plenty of them. While there are changes now and again, the vast
majority of production boats are VERY close right down to the wiring.
The 35s5 that I surveyed prior to buying Heart of Gold was IDENTICAL to
the one we puchased in every important way. If you can't get a SOLID
idea of a boat from a properly set up sistership, you're absolutely
retarded.
Such idiocy would astound me if it wasn't from Doug, the King of Keels!


RB
35s5
NY