Attached is a photo of a REALLY cramped cockpit. And talk about a
cheap-assed useless swim platform!
Gulf 29 Pilothouse...
CWM
------------------------------------------------------ CWM,

You are really showing your complete lack of knowledge of Yacht Design.

That picture you posted is a small cockpit. It is not a cramped cockpit.
I can speak with first hand knowledge, as I owned a Gulf PH 29 for 17
years,`as you know. Look at it again and tell me where it is CRAMPED?

The Helms person can sit directly behind the wheel on a rised, curved
Helm seat. When heeled that person can slide to the high side seat or
stay on the low side with the Jib Sheet winch within very easy reach,

There is plenty of room to get around the wheel with the "T" cockpit
conformity and with the small size Cockpit I can adjust the "Traveler or
Main Sheet" while in contact with the helm.

On my vessel I had a Harkens Head Sail Furler, with the furling line
cleat on the outside of the starboard coaming at the helm station.

The Main was in "Lazy Jacks" with Main Sheet on a winch on the right
hand rear PH corner,

That "STERN STEP" made dingy use very simple. It is NOT a Swim Platform.
( IN 50 degree water Temp., even in Summer we don't swim in it. (As we
say "IN THE NW, SWIMMING IS A INDOOR SPORT"

Now on my Boat, "Pneuma" I also had a inside Helm and the "SMALL"
Cockpit was a real asset, I had Pneuma set up for single handing and the
Cockpit was as large as I would want it to be, BUTIt was NEVER
CRAMPED.
Even when I raced it with a Crew of Three. Two in the Cockpit Seat and
one on the rear seat, next to the Helm man.

Now, once again show me where and how you can find anything CRAMPED??




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The Helms person can sit directly behind the wheel on a rised, curved
Helm seat. When heeled that person can slide to the high side seat or
stay on the low side with the Jib Sheet winch within very easy reach,




Thom, you can do the same thing on a 35s5. There's tons of room to sit
behind the wheel.

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/wednesdayweb.jpg

We do this all the time. We thought we'd add a helmseat, but have not
found it a problem as is. The wheel is in perfect position when
steering from starboard or port and if you're sitting or standing on
the helm seat directly behind it. What it's NOT good for is standing
directly behind it with my size 13 shoes! Everyone else doesn't have a
problem.
Once again, it really pays to be just a bit shorter...and have smaller
feet. If I was 5'8 I would have kept the C&C 32 forever I think.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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The Helms person can sit directly behind the wheel on a
rised, curved
Helm seat. When heeled that person can slide to the high
side seat or
stay on the low side with the Jib Sheet winch within very
easy reach,




Thom, you can do the same thing on a 35s5. There's tons of
room to sit
behind the wheel.

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/wednesdayweb.jpg


Can she see over the pedestal?

SV

Can she see over the pedestal?


Suzanne is about 5'6, so it's the wheel that's at nose level for her if
she's seated right behind it. She probably would get use out of a helm
seat. On the other hand she can stand behind the wheel just fine and I
like the helm seat flat because it's where I stand at times.


RB
35s5
NY

Attached is a photo of a REALLY cramped cockpit. And talk about a
cheap-assed useless swim platform!
------------------------------------------------------ CWM


Thom Stewart wrote:
You are really showing your complete lack of knowledge of Yacht Design.


Goes with his complete lack of knowledge.

Actually, "Charlie" (also known as Krusty/Bitty-Bill) is
merely sticking up for his little brother Bobsprit, you know
he doesn't like it when people are mean to Boobsie.

DSK

I have a helm seat. They are far superior!

Scotty

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Can she see over the pedestal?


Suzanne is about 5'6, so it's the wheel that's at nose
level for her if
she's seated right behind it. She probably would get use
out of a helm
seat. On the other hand she can stand behind the wheel
just fine and I
like the helm seat flat because it's where I stand at
times.


RB
35s5
NY

Nutsy,

You know you're just kidding yourself about that Flat helm seat. Benny
made it flat SO YOU COULD STAND ON IT!! It"s just to CRAMP to stand
behind that wheel.

You know, Nutsy, there are boats build that don't even have Cockpits. I
think Slocum's "Spray" was one. There was a Pedestal mounted on the
flush deck between the main cabin and the Aft cabin. A lot of boats have
nothing more than a foot well, but any well designed Helm does not "Pin"
the Helm man in place.

It is only lately that Cruising Boats have been installing bigger
Cockpits, subject to "POOPING" Mostly because of the usage, like you
do. Day sailing with over-nite accommodations.

Cramping the helm man is what has created Cable pedestal Helms and
removal of transoms. Some "Cheap" builders have elected to lengthen
water line by adding to the hull without changing any interior
accommodations and calling the addition a "Swim Platform" The Cheapest
way to add speed. Don't change Beam, Add Main sail with longer length of
water line. Cheapest Way.

So, stand on the seat, that's your choice BUT Don't give your CHEAP ****
about a wonderful cockpit. Benny had to use a larger Wheel to let you
stand upright

I think that expresses my feeling about your "BS Cockpit" I won't say
more




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