"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
Maxi says he paid more than 57K for his boat. Lordy! I hope not. Maybe
HE is the second offer!

That's all you paid for that Bendy? I thought they were more valuable than
that. However the photos show a pretty stripped, bare-bones boat, so I
guess it's not surprising.

I paid $62K for my boat six years ago. The surveyor thought it was a fair
price at worst, a bargain at best.

Max

What ever gave you the impression that your area was anything like
mine?



I know it's not. Well maintained restored classics are commonplace
here. Sounds like you live in the land of Catalina over there.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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What ever gave you the impression that your area was anything like
mine?



I know it's not. Well maintained restored classics are commonplace
here. Sounds like you live in the land of Catalina over there.

Catalinas, Beneteaus, and Hunters. We have some nice boats, but they are
rare enough that when a new Moody or Hinckley sails into our area, they
attract sailors like flies to rotting meat.

The previous owner of our boat socked over $40K into her just before we
bought her. She attracts a lot of attention, so much so that we have
constant lurkers whenever we cruise to other ports. It can become annoying,
despite the compliments.

Max

Ted Irwin built some of the flimsiest, most cheaply-constructed boats
in the
history of fiberglass. That said his 37/38 and larger cruisers are
very
popular with sailors here. Most are well-kept.


That was a Typo,...surprised no one spotted it, but then most folks
here really don't know boats. I was obviously refering to the Ericson
Indenpendence 31.


RB
35s5
NY

At this very moment in our club....Island Packet 35,

Relatively common here.



Really? Only 173 were built up until 1993.


Tartan 37,
We have lots of them around here. Not much interest in them at all,
and
they are difficult to sell unless in pristine condition with lots of
equipment. Most aren't.

Kinda like the Seasprite.


Beautiful and probably well-built. We have several Albergs here,
including
a 37.


Probably?


Bristol 27,
Nice smaller boat, but most are showing their age rather badly
nowadays.


Like any old unrestored boat?


Sweden 39,
A very nice, well-built boat.


But nowhere to sleep if you're over 5'11.


Southern Cross,
Same builder as my Sea Sprite 34: Clark E. Ryder.

Okay.


Pacific Seacraft Dana 24 and 33


The PS Dana is a great 24 footer, solid, and seaworthy. Probably too
expensive for most buyers of 24' boats.

You aint kidding.

To my knowledge, PS never built a
33' boat.


Correct...I meant the 31.


We have a few oldsters here, but most switch to trawlers or get out
of
boating altogether before they hit 70.


The owner of the Bristol 27 is 68. The owner of the Ericson 34 is 74!



The interior of that boat is what draws most comments. Either
people like
Phillipe Starcke's interiors, or they don't. I like 'em.


We get approached because the boat doesn't look like most others. Her
unusual aft section, squared off ports and sleek hull certainly nothing
like a Catalina or Hunter. You're right about the interior. People tend
to love it. I still prefer the main cabin layout of the C&C 32. I like
dinettes.


People simply love her
decks and interior. A boat like the Seasprite will always be admired
and I'm always happy to see the old boats, though I'm beyond the desire
to maintain or sail one now.


The most prominent boats are Hunters and Catalinas, with
Beneteaus coming in a near third.

How many are like mine? Most folks go for the Oceanus.


I'm looking at a '93 Sabre 38 in pristine condition, but the owner
will have to budge on his price a bit if we're to connect.

Nice boat, but I don't like the way they put the mast so far forward,
though it helps with the interior. It's an odd rig that is somewhat
underpowered. We had one here in brokerage that did not sell due to a
crazy price. Then it was repo'd!


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Ted Irwin built some of the flimsiest, most cheaply-constructed boats
in the
history of fiberglass. That said his 37/38 and larger cruisers are
very
popular with sailors here. Most are well-kept.


That was a Typo,...surprised no one spotted it, but then most folks
here really don't know boats. I was obviously refering to the Ericson
Indenpendence 31.

I wondered about that. I wasn't aware that Irwin built any such boat, and
was aware that Ericson had one, but I don't follow Irwins well enough to
know. I thought perhaps you meant a Citation 31. And that Ericson I-31 was
one seriously ugly boat.

Max

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 23:23:17 GMT, "Maxprop" said:

We have a few oldsters here, but most switch to trawlers or get out of
boating altogether before they hit 70.

Hmm. Back when I was looking I looked at a 27' Italian boat that was being
sold by an 89 year old owner. He decided he had finally gotten too old.

There are always exceptions to every rule. I used to skydive with an
oldtimer. Walt was in his late 60s when I began jumping, and he continued
for a few years after I quit. He was in his upper 80s when he died, and
some said he made a few jumps in the years between his 80th birthday and his
death.

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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At this very moment in our club....Island Packet 35,

Relatively common here.



Really? Only 173 were built up until 1993.

That's a lot of boats. How many have been built to date is a more important
number. Most around here are newer. They all have the transom with
the--drum roll, please--swim platform.

Tartan 37,
We have lots of them around here. Not much interest in them at all,
and
they are difficult to sell unless in pristine condition with lots of
equipment. Most aren't.

Kinda like the Seasprite.

There were only 46 Sea Sprite 34 hulls built. We have two in our port, and
both are pristine. The other one is owner-finished, but very nicely done.
That said, he paid about $5K less for his than I did for mine. His is a
cutter with a big bowsprit, which looks really odd on a CCA-type boat. But
it's a very clean boat. I have no idea how most of the Sea Sprites are.
They were built in 23' (Alberg designed), 28', 30', and 34', the last three
designed by Bill Luders. And the vast majority of them are in New England.


Beautiful and probably well-built. We have several Albergs here,
including
a 37.


Probably?

I really don't know. I looked the 37' over carefully when it was for sale,
but found some issues with the construction that turned me off. I suspect
that overall the boats were probably built well, but it probably depends
more on who built them than on the designer. Alberg designs have been built
by several different companies and individuals over the decades.

Bristol 27,
Nice smaller boat, but most are showing their age rather badly
nowadays.


Like any old unrestored boat?

I've seen no restored Bristols here, except one that was "claimed" to have
been restored, but really just had some cosmetic spucing-up. It was like
the others--pretty rough and well-used.


Sweden 39,
A very nice, well-built boat.


But nowhere to sleep if you're over 5'11.

Maybe Swedes don't grow as big as you, Bubbles.

Southern Cross,
Same builder as my Sea Sprite 34: Clark E. Ryder.

Okay.


Pacific Seacraft Dana 24 and 33


The PS Dana is a great 24 footer, solid, and seaworthy. Probably too
expensive for most buyers of 24' boats.

You aint kidding.

To my knowledge, PS never built a
33' boat.


Correct...I meant the 31.

That's a nice, if small, design. I prefer the Crealock 34s and 37s, but the
31 is a great singlehander or couple's boat.

We have a few oldsters here, but most switch to trawlers or get out
of
boating altogether before they hit 70.


The owner of the Bristol 27 is 68. The owner of the Ericson 34 is 74!

We have a couple in our marina with a Tartan 34, both of whom are in their
seventies. We also have a couple who own a newish Hunter 410, and he just
turned 70 (they sail almost daily). We also had a dentist and his wife who
recently sold their Sabre 34, both of whom are in their upper 70s. You can
always find older sailors, but you'll find far more oldtimers in powerboats,
trawlers, or sitting at home watching the boob tube.


The interior of that boat is what draws most comments. Either
people like
Phillipe Starcke's interiors, or they don't. I like 'em.


We get approached because the boat doesn't look like most others. Her
unusual aft section, squared off ports and sleek hull certainly nothing
like a Catalina or Hunter. You're right about the interior. People tend
to love it. I still prefer the main cabin layout of the C&C 32. I like
dinettes.

I forgot to mention C&Cs, of which we have a lot around here. Most are
older and run-down, but we have a few newer ones on Lake Michigan now that
there is a dealership here again. The new ones look cheaply built compared
with the older ones.


People simply love her
decks and interior. A boat like the Seasprite will always be admired
and I'm always happy to see the old boats, though I'm beyond the desire
to maintain or sail one now.


The most prominent boats are Hunters and Catalinas, with
Beneteaus coming in a near third.

How many are like mine? Most folks go for the Oceanus.

There is a 38s5 in Chicago that I've seen from time to time. And there used
to be a 35s5 in our port until about three years ago. It was a wreck--the
owners raced it hard and never did any maintenance. It sold for less than
$30K, but it was junk and the sails--all 14 of 'em--were junk as well. We
do have quite a few First series boats on the Lake--most are in the 40' and
up range, but I've seen a couple of 36.7s in Chicago, and those boats are
really fast for their lengths. Lots of the Firsts are older, say from the
late 80s through the mid-90s.

I'm looking at a '93 Sabre 38 in pristine condition, but the owner
will have to budge on his price a bit if we're to connect.

Nice boat, but I don't like the way they put the mast so far forward,
though it helps with the interior. It's an odd rig that is somewhat
underpowered. We had one here in brokerage that did not sell due to a
crazy price. Then it was repo'd!

I've sailed this one and it certainly seems like a good sailor to me. It's
relatively fast, weatherly, sails off the wind very well, and PHRFs about
the same as your boat, but is heavy enough to have a gentle motion in a
seaway. This one won't be repo'd--the owner paid cash for it in '93. It's
pristine, but overpriced.

Max

I thought perhaps you meant a Citation 31. And that Ericson I-31 was
one seriously ugly boat.



Check it out, Maxi....pretty nice looking cruiser.

http://bajayachts.com/ericson-31/ima...cson-31-01.gif

http://e31.no-ip.com/photos.asp?imag...ort%20view.jpg

Just 73 were built....They also built this 36 foot model...and I
actually toyed with buying one for a while!

http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/5/...?1152304459000

They are rare to market and I could not find a good example.


RB
35s5
NY

Really? Only 173 were built up until 1993.
That's a lot of boats. How many have been built to date is a more
important
number.

IP redesigned the boat after that and newer models sail much better in
a wider range of conditions. 173 were built.


I really don't know. I looked the 37' over carefully when it was
for sale,
but found some issues with the construction that turned me off. I
suspect
that overall the boats were probably built well, but it probably
depends
more on who built them than on the designer. Alberg designs have been
built
by several different companies and individuals over the decades.


Some 37s are rougher than others. I'll tell you this...she sails like a
dream.


Maybe Swedes don't grow as big as you, Bubbles.


Finding a boat where a 6'3 person can sleep happily is a challenge. And
finding one that can handle a couple who prefers to be sexually active
aboard is yet another challenge. The 35s5 was one of the few...and
still not perfect.

You can
always find older sailors, but you'll find far more oldtimers in
powerboats,
trawlers, or sitting at home watching the boob tube.

It's only the "boob" tube if you're watching boobs on it. We watched
The Naked Jungle last night with friends. You can't beat a good killer
ant movie!


I forgot to mention C&Cs, of which we have a lot around here. Most
are
older and run-down, but we have a few newer ones on Lake Michigan now
that
there is a dealership here again. The new ones look cheaply built
compared
with the older ones.

There are a ton of old C&Cs out there, just like Pearsons. The newer
C&Cs were certainly from a company that was struggling for a foothold.
The C&C 34XL may be not as well built or designed below like my 35s5,
but it's really fast and fun to sail.


I've sailed this one and it certainly seems like a good sailor to
me. It's
relatively fast, weatherly, sails off the wind very well, and PHRFs
about
the same as your boat, but is heavy enough to have a gentle motion in a

seaway. This one won't be repo'd--the owner paid cash for it in '93.
It's
pristine, but overpriced.


What's overpriced? The one we had was priced way too high at 169K, then
dropped to 149K where it did attract some interest, but too late for
the owner. That was 3 years ago and I don't think the value had
adjusted much. A realy clean Sabre 38 should be worth 140K easily and
10K more for a super-nice example.


RB
35s5
NY