Joe wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Joe wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Joe wrote:
Info submitted to rebuke Sen. McCain's story about the Senate bill on
Amnesty and his statistics of how many American people are FOR this
bill. Feel free to forward this to as many friends and political
representatives as you wish. I know most of these "facts" were actually
made up, but who cares?


So Joe, are you claiming that you found these on the Internet, so they
must be true? Didn't you even bother to read them? You're lucky we
don't have an gullibility test to maintain citizenship - you wouldn't
last 2 seconds.
Guess it is bunk that in Texas, the $3.9 billion spent annually
educating the children of illegal immigrants could:

Cover more than the $2.3 billion shortfall identified by the Texas
Federation for Teachers for such things as textbooks and pension
contributions.
Make Texas' salaries for teachers more competitive by national
standards, thereby reducing costly attrition, and recruit the 5,000 new
teachers needed each year.

And thats just Texas...

Sorry Joe - your propensity for posting total nonsense - such as the
bit about "More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal
alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal" - means that everything you post must be
considered probable nonsense.

Let me help you understand the non-sence.

Of the women on Medi-Cal (a medical wefare system for the poor) that
give birth in CA 66% are from illegal immigrants. Extra note(Not all
births in CA. are by mothers on MediCal)



You're just digging the hole deeper. Its very clear what your "fact"
is trying to say; now you're trying to twist it around to make some
sense. In fact, the quote was originally a misquote of the stat that
62% of births in LA are to Hispanic mothers

And remember, these children that you don't want to educate are
American citizens who will be funding your Social Security check.


Let's educate the kids. But let's also understand we are paying for
it, not the one's responsible for the kid. I do not expect or even care
if I get Social security or not.
If I were planning on the govt to take care of me in my old age I'd be
out cruising now, instead of working for a secure future.

You may be OK with unlawful immigration, I'm not.

No, I'm against stupid claims and idiots who propagate them. If
you're going to make factual claims, its best if they are true.


Why should others
like the Chinese, Russians, ect. have to legally complete the process,
get a sponser, learn english, ect..ect.. and become legal
citizens?....a process that takes years and lots of effort. Oh..they
pay taxes NOW when they work.

Some people think its worth the time, money, and effort to become an
American citizen.
They take great pride in the accomplishment, and rightly so.

Joe

Jeff wrote:
Joe wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Joe wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Joe wrote:
Info submitted to rebuke Sen. McCain's story about the Senate bill on
Amnesty and his statistics of how many American people are FOR this
bill. Feel free to forward this to as many friends and political
representatives as you wish. I know most of these "facts" were actually
made up, but who cares?


So Joe, are you claiming that you found these on the Internet, so they
must be true? Didn't you even bother to read them? You're lucky we
don't have an gullibility test to maintain citizenship - you wouldn't
last 2 seconds.
Guess it is bunk that in Texas, the $3.9 billion spent annually
educating the children of illegal immigrants could:

Cover more than the $2.3 billion shortfall identified by the Texas
Federation for Teachers for such things as textbooks and pension
contributions.
Make Texas' salaries for teachers more competitive by national
standards, thereby reducing costly attrition, and recruit the 5,000 new
teachers needed each year.

And thats just Texas...

Sorry Joe - your propensity for posting total nonsense - such as the
bit about "More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal
alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal" - means that everything you post must be
considered probable nonsense.

Let me help you understand the non-sence.

Of the women on Medi-Cal (a medical wefare system for the poor) that
give birth in CA 66% are from illegal immigrants. Extra note(Not all
births in CA. are by mothers on MediCal)



You're just digging the hole deeper. Its very clear what your "fact"
is trying to say; now you're trying to twist it around to make some
sense. In fact, the quote was originally a misquote of the stat that
62% of births in LA are to Hispanic mothers


Show us the mis-quote. Seems you have all the facts Jeffery.




And remember, these children that you don't want to educate are
American citizens who will be funding your Social Security check.


Let's educate the kids. But let's also understand we are paying for
it, not the one's responsible for the kid. I do not expect or even care
if I get Social security or not.
If I were planning on the govt to take care of me in my old age I'd be
out cruising now, instead of working for a secure future.

You may be OK with unlawful immigration, I'm not.

No, I'm against stupid claims and idiots who propagate them. If
you're going to make factual claims, its best if they are true.

If you know the truth then set us free!

A study conducted by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington,
D.C., and released in August, said that illegal immigrants cost the
federal government $10 billion more than they pay in taxes.

The federal government pays about $2.2 billion in medical treatment for
uninsured immigrants, according to the report. It pays $1.9 billion in
food assistance programs, such as food stamps and school lunches, for
low-income families. And it pays $1.4 billion in aid to schools that
educate illegal immigrant children.

But hey whats a buncha Billions of Dollars ...right Jeff...It's just
numbers. Oh and Jeff, thats the federal govt, you should see the bill
that the states get stuck with..

Joe

Joe wrote:

Sorry Joe - your propensity for posting total nonsense - such as the
bit about "More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal
alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal" - means that everything you post must be
considered probable nonsense.
Let me help you understand the non-sence.

Of the women on Medi-Cal (a medical wefare system for the poor) that
give birth in CA 66% are from illegal immigrants. Extra note(Not all
births in CA. are by mothers on MediCal)


You're just digging the hole deeper. Its very clear what your "fact"
is trying to say; now you're trying to twist it around to make some
sense. In fact, the quote was originally a misquote of the stat that
62% of births in LA are to Hispanic mothers


Show us the mis-quote. Seems you have all the facts Jeffery.

What's the matter Joe, short term memory problems? I repeated your
quote exactly once already. Here is is again: "More than 66% of all
births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose
births were paid for by taxpayers;"

Now this claim is quite different from your new explanation the 66% of
Medi-cal births are to illegals. If you're actually claiming these
two statements are the same, then you've wasted the education we
lavished on you. Perhaps you should leave and make some room for
someone who would appreciate all we have to offer.

If you go looking for the facts behind this issue, you'll find that
even anti-illegal immigrant groups only claim that 36% of Medi-cal
births are to illegal mothers - this is quite different from even your
backpedal. This by itself is quite startling, but you had to turn
into something so outlandish that only an idiot would believe it.

....

You may be OK with unlawful immigration, I'm not.
No, I'm against stupid claims and idiots who propagate them. If
you're going to make factual claims, its best if they are true.

If you know the truth then set us free!

A study conducted by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington,

blah blah blah

Sorry Joe, you've lost all credibility, now everything you claim has
as much believability as Boobie's claims to being a sailor.

Jeff wrote:


blah blah blah

Sorry Joe, I've lost all credibility, now everything I claim has
as much believability as Boobie's claims to being a sailor.


No doubt...good luck with your Mexican funded Social Security income.

Joe

Joe wrote:
Jeff wrote:


blah blah blah

Sorry Joe, I've lost all credibility, now everything I claim has
as much believability as Boobie's claims to being a sailor.

Wow! How clever you are!



No doubt...good luck with your Mexican funded Social Security income.

Without immigrants we will turn into a second class power. Ironic,
isn't it?

You really don't get it, Joe. The point is that people who are in
favor of much tighter enforcement are embarrassed by the stupid made
up nonsense you try to pass off as facts. You'd make more sense if
you claimed they were trying to sap and impurify all of our precious
bodily fluids. All you're doing is convincing people that those
against illegal immigrants are idiots.

Jeff wrote:
Joe wrote:
Jeff wrote:


blah blah blah

Sorry Joe, I've lost all credibility, now everything I claim has
as much believability as Boobie's claims to being a sailor.

Wow! How clever you are!



No doubt...good luck with your Mexican funded Social Security income.

Without immigrants we will turn into a second class power. Ironic,
isn't it?


No not at all. I'm all for legal immigration...Gee I thought I said
that.

But hey...It's all hype right Jeff? Just pie in the sky numbers amigo.

Joe

Joe wrote:
No doubt...good luck with your Mexican funded Social Security income.


Jeff wrote:
Without immigrants we will turn into a second class power. Ironic,
isn't it?

Well, I never heard any stories about how the welcome mat
was put out for my family when they showed up here.


Jeff wrote:
You really don't get it, Joe. The point is that people who are in favor
of much tighter enforcement are embarrassed by the stupid made up
nonsense you try to pass off as facts. You'd make more sense if you
claimed they were trying to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily
fluids. All you're doing is convincing people that those against
illegal immigrants are idiots.

I wonder if Joe can play the banjo?

http://www.austinlizards.com/songs/t...nt_mothers.mp3

http://www.austinlizards.com/teenage...t_mothers.html

Without addressing the reason(s) for the tremendous numbers
of poor people willing to come here illegally, there's
almost no point in trying to slow down the flow.

If the Feds went to a dozen randomly selected large
corporations, checked for the presence of illegal
immigrants, and arrested the CEO and Board, the problem
would go away. Of course, so would a magnificent source of
campaign contributions... hmm, does anybody think there
might be a pattern? Better turn it over to the Department of
Connecting The Dots.

Meanwhile, I recommend learning a little Spanish. It'll
expand your potential cruising grounds too.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:


I wonder if Joe can play the banjo?

Yes...but that song is offensive...almost racist Doug.

The issue is not a dislike of Mexican's. I get along great with and
respect many and most of the Mexican's that work here in the yard, and
I have worked with over the years. I've worked in Mexico for 2 years
straight. I like the culture and find the people humble, hard working,
and mostly good people.

http://www.austinlizards.com/songs/t...nt_mothers.mp3

http://www.austinlizards.com/teenage...t_mothers.html

Without addressing the reason(s) for the tremendous numbers
of poor people willing to come here illegally, there's
almost no point in trying to slow down the flow.

Why not? Maybe by doing nothing here we are encouraging and supporting
more corruption south of the border. If we put a stop to illegal
immigration perhaps the leaders south of the border would do more to
provide it's own citizens with profitable work. Seems Mexicos leaders
are to busy printing maps and guides to sneek the problem across the
border for the gringos to deal with. Very cost effective.

If the Feds went to a dozen randomly selected large
corporations, checked for the presence of illegal
immigrants, and arrested the CEO and Board, the problem
would go away.

Exactly, if we enforced current laws, there would not be a problem. If
I dropped a dime to INS it would be easy to get every contractor doing
bottom jobs shut down here. Well except they have way bigger fish to
deal with and could care less.

Maybe we should think about ****canning the director of the INS and
keep firing them until we can find one who will enforce the laws we put
them in charge of enforcing. You are right, we need a few Enron type
trials of CEO's ect using illegal labor.


Of course, so would a magnificent source of
campaign contributions... hmm, does anybody think there
might be a pattern? Better turn it over to the Department of
Connecting The Dots.

Yeah...I thought John McCain could not be bought, but it seems the
farmers in AZ must shove a huge heeping pile of money on his desk every
year.


Meanwhile, I recommend learning a little Spanish. It'll
expand your potential cruising grounds too.

You planing on cruising Texas and California or NY Amigo?.

Need real world tips on entering port in Mexico?
My company always had a big box of goodies for the Port Captian and
customs to share on the galley table ready to be seized. American
smokes, Playboy magazines, Couple cases whiskey......cash...ect. Then
the PeMex guys, Mayor, Dispatcher, ect.ect.ect. Lot's of cash came in
handy..

Joe


Fresh Breezes- Doug King