Sorry, guys, I gotta disagree.

First and foremost, I sympathize with his family. A terrible loss for
them. I also don't fault the crew for their MOB procedures. I'm sure
they did everything possible.

However, I don't see that the interview truly explains why he wasn't
harnessed. Like Oz1 sez, downhill in high seas and 25+ knots flying the
chute in cold water. Everyone should have been harnessed before
starting their watch, not thinking "Ah, it's ok. We can go below and
get harnessed and come back on deck if/when it deteriorates." These are
experienced, professional racers. They were too casual and it cost his
family everything.

"The sea will claim its own" is not applicable here. This was his
fault, not the ocean's. "He died doing what he loved." Would have been
more fun for him and his family if he'd continued to live, doing what
he loved and taking care of those he loved.

Frank

''Simon Fisher on what happened:

We had all got up for a sail change, had everyone on deck.
There was 12 knots of wind. During that change, the wind
went from 12-14 knots to 25 knots quite quickly.''


IMHO, He wasn't wearing a harness because he chose not to.
His decision, right or wrong, his choice (as it should be).



Thanks for the link, Ozzy.

Scotty






"Frank" wrote in message
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Sorry, guys, I gotta disagree.

First and foremost, I sympathize with his family. A
terrible loss for
them. I also don't fault the crew for their MOB
procedures. I'm sure
they did everything possible.

However, I don't see that the interview truly explains why
he wasn't
harnessed. Like Oz1 sez, downhill in high seas and 25+
knots flying the
chute in cold water. Everyone should have been harnessed
before
starting their watch, not thinking "Ah, it's ok. We can go
below and
get harnessed and come back on deck if/when it
deteriorates." These are
experienced, professional racers. They were too casual and
it cost his
family everything.

"The sea will claim its own" is not applicable here. This
was his
fault, not the ocean's. "He died doing what he loved."
Would have been
more fun for him and his family if he'd continued to live,
doing what
he loved and taking care of those he loved.

Frank

Scotty on an corporate sponsered open ocean racer, in the top race
after the American cups race IMO.. it would be wise for all to be
required to wear a harness. These guys are Professional sailors and
should prepare in a professional way.

That being said, I seldom wear a harness and never a life jacket on
RedCloud, and never a lifejacket on my Dink. But I'm a strong swimmer
and feel a jacket or harness can entangle you and cause more harm then
it could prevent. I do have jackets on the boats. Now if I were out in
the middle of the pacific or atlantic on the bow fighting a big sail in
building weather I'd be tied to something and have a PFD.

It's a personal gamble for us to decide not to wear some safety gear,
but professionals engaged in a profession should set an example for
others to follow.

Joe

That being said, I seldom wear a harness and never a life jacket on
RedCloud, and never a lifejacket on my Dink.


Joe, the retard is now posting as Suzy...and signing "Joe."
Make that "Joe the totally fruited out retard!"


RB
35s5
NY

Whats the problem Mys Terry?
Does this bother you ?

Joe has never used a sock puppet ...he has no need. NEVER!


Capt. Suzy
35s5
NY

Joe!

Stop posting as me, It's ****ing off bubbles!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa

Capt. Suzy
35s5
NY

--
"Swab Rob" wrote

Joe, is now posting as Suzy...


You just figured that out today, asswipe?

BRILLIANT!


SV

Joe, is now posting as Suzy...



You just figured that out today, asswipe?




I think it's important to remember that your dead mother was an
asswipe, like her mother before her and you're a fag who's wife is
forced to do anal online with dogs.
It's also important to remember that you're a total failure in life who
sails a sad boat that the few friends you have told you not to buy. Oh,
and Joe is posting as Suzy and signing off as Joe. He's soooo retarded
(like your dead dad)!!!!

Seriously, Scotty. You're a loser.


RB
35s5
NY

Frank wrote:
Sorry, guys, I gotta disagree.

First and foremost, I sympathize with his family. A terrible loss for
them. I also don't fault the crew for their MOB procedures. I'm sure
they did everything possible.

However, I don't see that the interview truly explains why he wasn't
harnessed. Like Oz1 sez, downhill in high seas and 25+ knots flying the
chute in cold water.

Actually they weren't. The weather was relatively calm when
the incident started. The wind kicked up and while the crew
was dealing with it, they rotated thru putting on their
harnesses and Hans was the last one.


... Everyone should have been harnessed before
starting their watch, not thinking "Ah, it's ok. We can go below and
get harnessed and come back on deck if/when it deteriorates." These are
experienced, professional racers. They were too casual and it cost his
family everything.


I agree but the flip side of the coin is to be harnessed in
24/7/365 which also doesn't work.

No matter what safety procedures are followed, no matter how
rigorously, there will always be accidents. What about the
young sailor whose harness broke in the Sydney-Hobart?


"The sea will claim its own" is not applicable here. This was his
fault, not the ocean's. "He died doing what he loved." Would have been
more fun for him and his family if he'd continued to live, doing what
he loved and taking care of those he loved.


I agree again, but I don't have your faith in a perfectable
world... certainly not at sea. Could they have been more
careful? Yes, certainly. Racing sailboats around the world
is not an inherently safe endeavor, though. What happened
was a given risk... minimizable but not totally avoidable.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King