"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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, it could logically be reasoned that more than half the
republicans (or at least conservatives) still like him.


100% since 20% of such polls are commonly comprised of votes that are
party based. That means that Bush gets quite a few positive votes from
people who don't like him as president.

WHAT?? Are you contending that polls, like Zogby or NY Times, are based on
voting?

Max

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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I heard the poll numbers were in the low 30s... 32, 33. Worst in 25 years.
Bad news for the US, since it's even worse overseas.

I saw an article about a year ago in the SF Chronicle, written by a liberal
no less, that presented a sound case as to why overseas opinion had
virtually no impact on anything. Our trade relations continue with those
countries that hate us, the same as they do when those countries don't hate
us so vehemently. Same with investment activity and banking. And those
same countries are buying our military materiel and fighter jets, just like
before. Opinion is inconsequential, according to the writer. I found the
piece refreshing, coming from a liberal columnist in the Chron.

So when Oz and Donal rip on the US, ignore 'em. g

Such opinion here at home, however, probably has a profound effect. I'm
going on record today predicting that the GOP is going to lose majorities in
both houses of Congress this fall. It would serve W right, the idiot.

Max

In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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I heard the poll numbers were in the low 30s... 32, 33. Worst in 25 years.
Bad news for the US, since it's even worse overseas.

I saw an article about a year ago in the SF Chronicle, written by a liberal
no less, that presented a sound case as to why overseas opinion had
virtually no impact on anything. Our trade relations continue with those
countries that hate us, the same as they do when those countries don't hate
us so vehemently. Same with investment activity and banking. And those
same countries are buying our military materiel and fighter jets, just like
before. Opinion is inconsequential, according to the writer. I found the
piece refreshing, coming from a liberal columnist in the Chron.


I agree with you. The bleeding heart brigade here have claimed at
various times that some action/inaction by our Govt would cause people
elsewhere to dislike us etc.

Never made a jot of difference to our trade.

So when Oz and Donal rip on the US, ignore 'em. g

Yeah. Oz is occasionally right but I can't recall the last time Donal
managed it.

PDW

Certainly overseas opinions affect those of us who have to travel or deal
with people from other countries. I'm very tired of apologizing for Bush.
They are certainly affecting our business relationship with certain South
American countries, and certainly affecting our security via other Arab
countries.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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I heard the poll numbers were in the low 30s... 32, 33. Worst in 25 years.
Bad news for the US, since it's even worse overseas.

I saw an article about a year ago in the SF Chronicle, written by a
liberal no less, that presented a sound case as to why overseas opinion
had virtually no impact on anything. Our trade relations continue with
those countries that hate us, the same as they do when those countries
don't hate us so vehemently. Same with investment activity and banking.
And those same countries are buying our military materiel and fighter
jets, just like before. Opinion is inconsequential, according to the
writer. I found the piece refreshing, coming from a liberal columnist in
the Chron.

So when Oz and Donal rip on the US, ignore 'em. g

Such opinion here at home, however, probably has a profound effect. I'm
going on record today predicting that the GOP is going to lose majorities
in both houses of Congress this fall. It would serve W right, the idiot.

Max

Wow that the most pathetic thing I've heard in a long time Jon.

Did they apologize when Saddam was chopping of hands, gassing whole
villages and failing to follow UN resolutions?
Are the countries you speak of UN members?

BTW Jon I deal with Canooks, French, Germans, Chinese, Russians,
Mexican ect... and all of them are professional engineers and the
subject of Bush has only come up once, that was with a guy in Chicago
who still wears sky blue polyester suits.

Joe

Who are you talking about? Who apologized about Saddam? The point of the war
with Iraq was to eliminate his WMD. There were no such things there. We were
misled and we're still being misled about the war. Bushco is doing the
misleading.

I'm sorry that you hand out with people who wear blue polyester suits.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Wow that the most pathetic thing I've heard in a long time Jon.

Did they apologize when Saddam was chopping of hands, gassing whole
villages and failing to follow UN resolutions?
Are the countries you speak of UN members?

BTW Jon I deal with Canooks, French, Germans, Chinese, Russians,
Mexican ect... and all of them are professional engineers and the
subject of Bush has only come up once, that was with a guy in Chicago
who still wears sky blue polyester suits.

Joe

Did they apologize when Saddam was chopping of hands, gassing whole
villages and failing to follow UN resolutions?


That's NOT what YOU were given as the reason for war, now was it, Joe.
The reason for the war was imaginary WMDs that quite a few folks here
swore would be found...Scotty Potty among them. In all seriousness I
have some sympathy for Scotty and others like him. They backed a
president, believed what he said and got slammed. A few folks are crazy
enough to believe Bush' stories still. Bush knew there were assholes
like Scotty Potty. Folks like him are what Bush has counted on all
along.
Poor Scotty probably still thinks Bush told the truth.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Certainly overseas opinions affect those of us who have to travel or deal
with people from other countries. I'm very tired of apologizing for Bush.

That's your first mistake. When you apologize you enable their hatred of us
and you. Contrary to what you might believe, they won't hold you in any
higher regard just because you don't like Bush. You're still one of those
ugly Americans.

They are certainly affecting our business relationship with certain South
American countries, and certainly affecting our security via other Arab
countries.

If I get your drift, those countries are enemies, not just countries that
dislike Americans.

A recent trip to Canada was an eye-opener for me. I expected, especially in
Quebec and Montreal, to be treated poorly by the Canadians. To the contrary
they were all exceptionally nice and friendly, without exception. I made
two new friends, with whom I communicate weekly. It seems that commonality
between individuals trumps political enmity every time.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote .....
A recent trip to Canada was an eye-opener for me. I expected, especially in
Quebec and Montreal, to be treated poorly by the Canadians. To the contrary
they were all exceptionally nice and friendly, without exception. I made
two new friends, with whom I communicate weekly. It seems that commonality
between individuals trumps political enmity every time.

True.

My stepson was asked to share his table in crowded resturant in Bern last
month. His German guest began the conversation with "We don't like Bush over
here." "Neither do we." "Trouble with Americans is you're all monolingual." With
that Dano showed the man their menus - his in Italian and English, the man's in
German and (guess what) English and asked "Why should we bother learning another
language?" By the time lunch was over they were friends..

Not at all. They're mostly relieved that they're not dealing with a fanatic.

Venezuela is not our enemy.

If a large percentage of the population of a country doesn't like US
politics, we are less safe in that country.

Canadians try very hard to like us.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Certainly overseas opinions affect those of us who have to travel or deal
with people from other countries. I'm very tired of apologizing for Bush.

That's your first mistake. When you apologize you enable their hatred of
us and you. Contrary to what you might believe, they won't hold you in
any higher regard just because you don't like Bush. You're still one of
those ugly Americans.

They are certainly affecting our business relationship with certain South
American countries, and certainly affecting our security via other Arab
countries.

If I get your drift, those countries are enemies, not just countries that
dislike Americans.

A recent trip to Canada was an eye-opener for me. I expected, especially
in Quebec and Montreal, to be treated poorly by the Canadians. To the
contrary they were all exceptionally nice and friendly, without exception.
I made two new friends, with whom I communicate weekly. It seems that
commonality between individuals trumps political enmity every time.

Max