I have B&W speakers in every room that has a sound system. There are
none
finer at any price, but the old Bose 901s I used to own were certainly
within the 95th percentile compared with my B&Ws.


Wow...I read everything you wrote up to this point and was about to
respond until I came to the hilarious comments about Bose and B&W.
Maxi there are plenty of finer speakers than your B&Ws. In fact, even
if you have 801's in every room, there are plenty that are better from
Martin Logan, Revel and of course Snell. I just sold my B&W CDM 1
center channel (a 900 dollar speaker) and it was good, but hardly the
best. My Revel speakers did everything better. Likewise my rear channel
B&W LM-1s, also sold off. Good gear from B&W (mated to Rotel amp and
preamp), but tippy highs require a more laid back preamp section. Yet
B&W uses Rotel for their listening tests!
As for Bose, even their top of the line 901s were a joke for false
imaging and Bose has always employed cheap drivers combined with unique
cabinets to fool less educated listeners...folks like you. Go listen to
a pair of Revel Ultima Gem's and then tell me what you think of your
B&Ws.
I get the feeling, as with BMW, that you're a fellow who buys into
advertising hook, line and sinker.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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I have B&W speakers in every room that has a sound system. There are
none
finer at any price, but the old Bose 901s I used to own were certainly
within the 95th percentile compared with my B&Ws.


Wow...I read everything you wrote up to this point and was about to
respond until I came to the hilarious comments about Bose and B&W.
Maxi there are plenty of finer speakers than your B&Ws. In fact, even
if you have 801's in every room, there are plenty that are better from
Martin Logan, Revel and of course Snell. I just sold my B&W CDM 1
center channel (a 900 dollar speaker) and it was good, but hardly the
best. My Revel speakers did everything better. Likewise my rear channel
B&W LM-1s, also sold off. Good gear from B&W (mated to Rotel amp and
preamp), but tippy highs require a more laid back preamp section. Yet
B&W uses Rotel for their listening tests!
As for Bose, even their top of the line 901s were a joke for false
imaging and Bose has always employed cheap drivers combined with unique
cabinets to fool less educated listeners...folks like you. Go listen to
a pair of Revel Ultima Gem's and then tell me what you think of your
B&Ws.
I get the feeling, as with BMW, that you're a fellow who buys into
advertising hook, line and sinker.

Bubbles, you're obviously little more than a regurgitation of other people's
opinions. You read something in Audiophile and it becomes gospel. Then you
listen to someone's highly colored speakers and decide, "oh yeah, those
really are the best." And then you go blow cash, believing you've reached
Nirvana.

Answer this: why do more recording studios have B&Ws as their monitors than
any other speaker made? Hint: they reproduce sound accurately, without
color, and without gimmicks. Those with no concept of what makes a great
loudspeaker generally don't care much for B&Ws. They like that thumping
bass, that screaming treble, that blaring midrange. Of course the original
performance didn't have all those components, but what the hell . . .

Max

Answer this: why do more recording studios have B&Ws as their monitors
than
any other speaker made?


Bwahhahahahahaha! That was B&W's bit for years. Of course they GAVE out
tons of their old mini monitors and STILL more Yamaha monitors were in
studios. B&W is renowned as a bright speaker. They're good, but not
wonderful for sustained listening. Studio monitors make bad home
speakers and you don't even know why! Like I said, you totally buy into
ads while I audition speakers carefully...here is what I've owned....

B&W CDM Series (Bright, but otherwise good)
Carver Silver Ribbons (Amazing)
Heybrook H Series (Forgiving)
Revel Gem (No compromise for 4K)
Revel Q series (Good all around speaker)
Snell JII, JIII and JIV (Very forgiving on all material)
Canton Quinto 540 (Too bright, stunning bass speed)
Royd Coniston R (The least colored speaker ever)

And several more, and while the B&W's were good, they were far from the
best. B&W 801's are still a landmark speaker, but you don't own those,
now do you? Get back to me when you're done reading old issues of
Stereo Review. The comment about B&W studio monitors being some sort of
reason why they are good home speakers pretty much says it all. Maybe
you should use Rolland speakers at home as well???

And now...because you've made such a dope of yourself....I present you
with...BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!

RB
35s5
NY

They like that thumping
bass, that screaming treble, that blaring midrange.


You even got that wrong. Poor speakers (Such as Bose) have sucked out
midrange, sloppy booming bass and bright highs. Why not give us all a
treat and tell us WHICH B&W's you own?


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
They like that thumping
bass, that screaming treble, that blaring midrange.


You even got that wrong. Poor speakers (Such as Bose) have sucked out
midrange, sloppy booming bass and bright highs. Why not give us all a
treat and tell us WHICH B&W's you own?

802Ds.

Was that a treat? If so, you are easily amused.

Max

802Ds.

Was that a treat? If so, you are easily amused.


Max, if you own the 11, 500 dollar pair of 802Ds (and have them in
every room in the house!) and also own the 7-10K in electronics
required to make them sound good, I owe you an apology. They are VERY
fine speakers and I heard a pair with Krell amps and CJ front end
recently.
Still, I find it hard to believe that you own these so perhaps you'll
post a pic of your setup...or I'll do it for you if you send. I'm very
interested in such exotics, which I'm unable to own until Thom's older.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
802Ds.

Was that a treat? If so, you are easily amused.


Max, if you own the 11, 500 dollar pair of 802Ds (and have them in
every room in the house!) and also own the 7-10K in electronics
required to make them sound good, I owe you an apology. They are VERY
fine speakers and I heard a pair with Krell amps and CJ front end
recently.
Still, I find it hard to believe that you own these so perhaps you'll
post a pic of your setup...or I'll do it for you if you send. I'm very
interested in such exotics, which I'm unable to own until Thom's older.

The 802s, acquired last year, are in the family room, on either side of the
fireplace. My electronics are older and need upgrading, but aren't bad.
Since I've acknowledged that and see no reason to begin another pointless
debate, we'll leave it at that, rather than elaborate on my electronics.

The other B&Ws aren't quite so "exotic". I have 701s in the living room and
a pair of DM601 S3s in the bedroom, which are fine for the type of listening
we do there. I also have a B&W sub in with the 802s, but can't recall the
model offhand. It is a 12" unit, chosen for musicality, not movie rumble.

What do you think of McIntosh gear?

Max

What do you think of McIntosh gear?



It's very well made, but I find the upper midrange and highes lacking
in detail and refinement compared to other gear in it's pricerange. I
often think that the dull upper ends are mistook for smoothness in
recordings by older folks who really want more forgiving gear, even if
their speakers are very revealing. It all comes down to what you want
to listen to. Older recordings may be more listenable with McIntosh as
the 802's can sound forward and bright with some electronics.
Those are GREAT speakers, Maxi!!!! I'm happy to hear you have them.
They are worth the money, especially when properly set up. You don't
have to be an audiophile to appreciate them either...just a lover of
music.

(this is my "he sounds like a reasonable fella" post of the day)

RB
35s5
NY

I also have a B&W sub in with the 802s, but can't recall the
model offhand. It is a 12" unit, chosen for musicality, not movie
rumble.


BTW, there are quite a few subs that can do both and prices are much
lower these days. SVS is one company that is well regarded. My Paradigm
sub was rated down to 17 hz, but was more musical than the twin Snell
subs which were supposed to be quicker and more detailed. All of my
good gear has been sold off. The Revel's are in storage. I have Onkyo
speakers hanging now, out of the toddlers reach. Sweet sound is a few
year off I'm afraid. While the home theatre in a box is "okay" I sure
do miss the good stuff. The good side is that Thomas, in killing our
16X9 HD set, led us to the projector which is far and away more fun
than any conventional TV.

RB
35s5
NY