"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
You have far more stops in NYC than most folks do. But on the average,
the
Prius and the Honda Civic hybrid do only a little better in city vs.
highway
driving.


Wrong again. We drove the car in PA. Locally, away from Route 80 we had
nearly 10 MPG more, which is consistant with other reports on Edmunds.

I'll trust the other automotive magazines I've read over your experience.
And since I haven't read Edmund's reports on hybrids . . .


Say, Bubbles--are you going to run that Bendy Toy on biodiesel? If
not, you
should be ashamed.


Judging by her light air ability demonstrated Sunday, that engine will
barely be used at all.

Since she'll seldom leave the dock, I concur.



I raced D and E production in SCCA track events for over 20 years.
Does
that qualify me to know "something about driving?"

Wow, and yet you still get so much wrong. Just goes to prove: Old
knowledge is often bad knowledge.

Wrong by your standards is probably right by everyone else's.


Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Do I detect just a note of jealousy, Bubbles? Huh?


Maxi....Puhlease! It's a 3 series. I'm driving a Suburu STI and
Forester XT wagon...both of which would leave that 3 series in the dust
in any conditons.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Japanese toys vs. fine Teutonic engineering.
Right. A cheap Japanese 600cc motorcycle will outperform that STI in all
respects, so your point is ludicrous.

I like the 5 series though. The puny 3 series is
little more than an econobox.

First--the new Chris Bangle-designed 5 is as ugly as your Tribeca. Well,
okay, perhaps not quite that ugly. Second, you see almost no 5, 6, or 7
series cars on the race track, but you see 3s by the dozens. By the way, an
M3 left a WRX STI so far in its dust at Laguna Seca a few weeks ago as to
make the officials wonder if the STI was in the wrong class.

Even my Tribeca is cooler with its 250HP,
traction control and 18" wheels and it even has manual mode.

LOL. Put my Bimmer next to that Tribeca (as unthinkable as that would be
for a BMW owner) and see how many folks compliment each car respectively.
Of course the derisive comments about the ugly truck won't count as
"compliments."

Off the
line she's a tank (0-60 in 8.5), but at speed she's faster than the
Lexus 330 and I've had her up to 130 MPH.
I suppose you wanted a car as slow as your boat. Job well done!

A Lexus ES330 is just a Camry in disguise, and that's no performance
machine. Even your Tribeca would outhandle that softly-sprung, rolly
luxo-box.

As for speed, it's rather pointless to buy a car that can double most posted
speed limits, despite your need to compensate for the manliness nature
failed to provide. I'm content to have a quick auto with superb handling,
outstanding quality, cutting-edge engineering, and resale value that your
Subarus could only dream about.

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
You might try Vermont--I hear they love Subarus up there, especially
those
horrid things with the flat-four engines.


Yeah, those flat fours that last 300K miles! My friend's old Forester
was sold with 220K and wasn't burning a drop of oil and still on the
original tranny. That's a common story for Subaru.
All of the Subaru's are popular here in NY. Tons of them in PA, plenty
in CT, but we only saw Impreza's in SC.
Subaru continues to post gains in all markets while Ford, GM and
Chrysler can't get panel switches to work!

Right. If Subarus are so great, why does J.D.Powers always place Toyota and
Honda at the top of the reliability heap, with Subaru buried somewhere down
the list? Same with Consumer Reports.

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Rarely seen in Mississippi. Don't know why. Maybe it's a snow
thing.


6 Cycle
Outback

That thing must be a technological marvel.

And you claim to know something about cars.

Max

I'll trust the other automotive magazines I've read over your
experience.
And since I haven't read Edmund's reports on hybrids . . .


More evidence that you can't even research properly. Edmunds has owner
forums and you can read what people are truly getting from a car in a
variety of locations. Magazine tests are too limited on their own to
judge something like MPG.

Wrong by your standards is probably right by everyone else's

According to Edmunds and the many Hybrid owners posting there, you're
wrong...about all of it.



RB
35s5
NY

Max;

My Myopic friend, just how wrong can you be. I'm for Ethanol. I've
defended Ethanol as safer in transport, emissions and Auto engines for
Flex-fuels. E85 is the quickest way to energy independency. As I've
said; if we can reduce Gasoline usage by 85% the 15% necessary for
Gasoline can easily be supplied by our own reserves.

We have the ability to start using E85 right NOW, if we can get it into
Service Station's Pumps. If we start selling it, the profit boys sure as
hell will start making it.

Max, do you understand what I'm saying? I want Ethanol,if it will make
us fuel independent!! Is that clear enough for your BIAS (?) MIND?

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Japanese toys vs. fine Teutonic engineering.

Right. A cheap Japanese 600cc motorcycle will outperform that STI in
all
respects, so your point is ludicrous.


BMW makes some fine cars, but the cheap 3 series is little more than a
teenager's toy, except for the M3. The STI is simply better than
everything, far faster, far better handling in ALL conditions. It's
essentially an off the rack rally car. Oh, and the STI is very much
able to hold it's own with an M3 in every respect but build. The M3 is
awesome. You don't own one.

LOL. Put my Bimmer next to that Tribeca (as unthinkable as that
would be
for a BMW owner) and see how many folks compliment each car
respectively.

This is NY. BMW is about as common as the Ford Focus. No one looks them
and they've become little more than ghetto mobiles. Then again only
really poor folks drive low end 3 series anyway...about as pathetic as
the Audi A4 in fact.


I'm content to have a quick auto with superb handling,
outstanding quality, cutting-edge engineering,


Do let us know when you get such a car.

and resale value that your

Better check Edmunds. Both the Outback and STI have better resale than
your 3 series. Only the M3 has a good resale value. BMW doesn't even
make the top 10. You also need need to run TCO (Total cost of
ownership) where Subaru FAR outstrips the BMW and is only bested by
Toyota and Honda.
Yep, you sure know your cars!

A Lexus ES330 is just a Camry

Dude, are you on some kind of medication? Anyone who knows anything
would understand that it's not the ES330 I was talking about. You do
know that Lexus also makes a crossover, right? You do know that it has
a totally different suspension, right? And that it's one of the best
rated in it's class, right? Hmmmm? Guess not. Read some more car &
drivers and MT and get back to us!

Good lord, Maxi....my shovel has your face imprinted on it!.


RB
35s5
NY

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
We have the ability to start using E85 right NOW, if we can get it into
Service Station's Pumps. If we start selling it, the profit boys sure as
hell will start making it.

Max, do you understand what I'm saying? I want Ethanol,if it will make
us fuel independent!! Is that clear enough for your BIAS (?) MIND?

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

Problem is, and you can look this up, is that it takes MORE than 1 gallon of
fossil fuels to produce 1 gallon of ethanol. The "profit boys" are currently
being subsidized heavily by the federal government to produce ethanol. There
is no "magic bullet", regardless of what the folks at BP say.

http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases...idies.hrs.html

John Cairns

In article , Maxprop
wrote:

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
You might try Vermont--I hear they love Subarus up there, especially
those
horrid things with the flat-four engines.


Yeah, those flat fours that last 300K miles! My friend's old Forester
was sold with 220K and wasn't burning a drop of oil and still on the
original tranny. That's a common story for Subaru.
All of the Subaru's are popular here in NY. Tons of them in PA, plenty
in CT, but we only saw Impreza's in SC.
Subaru continues to post gains in all markets while Ford, GM and
Chrysler can't get panel switches to work!

Right. If Subarus are so great, why does J.D.Powers always place Toyota and
Honda at the top of the reliability heap, with Subaru buried somewhere down
the list? Same with Consumer Reports.

Dunno. My personal experience with Subarus has been excellent, tho.
Never had any probs with any of the 4 I've owned, and they do hold
resale value well here in Oz. I have nothing bad to say about Toyotas &
Hondas either but can't speak from personal experience.

Note that I have no interest in the rev-head toys Bob likes. I like the
conservative, slightly overweight, very solid and well engineered
sedans. It's nice to have a car whose image is the opposite of the
driver's :-)

PDW

In article , OzOne wrote:

On Wed, 10 May 2006 04:05:02 +0100, Peter Wiley
scribbled thusly:

Dunno. My personal experience with Subarus has been excellent, tho.
Never had any probs with any of the 4 I've owned, and they do hold
resale value well here in Oz. I have nothing bad to say about Toyotas &
Hondas either but can't speak from personal experience.

Note that I have no interest in the rev-head toys Bob likes. I like the
conservative, slightly overweight, very solid and well engineered
sedans. It's nice to have a car whose image is the opposite of the
driver's :-)

PDW

Subarus are known to have a small but expensive problem with cylinder
head gaskets leaking coolant, rapid wear in the valvetrain, and
gearboxes/clutches that may not be as hardy as they might be.

The turbo ones, I can well believe it. I'd never buy a used turbo
Subie. The clutch on my Liberty was replaced at 160K, the CV joints at
180K. That's it, and while I bought it used, it has the full logbook
dealer service records.

Still, they are a great car and worth the risk afa I'm concerned.

As I said, my personal experience with them is good. In fact I was
considering buying another one for my daughter.

PDW