John,

Your Expert from the IVY LEAGUE should get out and buy some; "White
Lightning!"

The Bootleggers have been making ALKY for years on hidden Still, without
Fossil Fuel. They have been transporting & fermenting the Grain in
secret, they have been transporting the "booze" in gallon Jugs in Hop-up
Cars and selling it at around $5.00 a gallon and making a fortune if
they don't get caught.

Now you post an article by a Ivy League that say this isn't possible?
BS!!!!

Let the Profit Boys get a chance to produce it legally. Let the Chemist
start reforming that Ethanol Mol., like they did with the Straight Run
Gasoline and our Street Cars will have the Energy off the Drag Cars on
Fuel

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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As for speed, it's rather pointless to buy a car that can
double most posted
speed limits, despite your need to compensate for the
manliness nature
failed to provide.

Have you seen the V W commercials where people in their cars
are shouting stuff through bull horns? Saw it last night,
thought of Bob.

SBV

Have you seen the V W commercials where people in their cars
are shouting stuff through bull horns? Saw it last night,
thought of Bob.


Saw a Jeep ad with a shot of the Grand Canyon and I though of Scotty's
wife with her legs open. Of course the Grand Canyon has fewer
"wrinkles."


RB
35s5
NY

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article , Frank
Boettcher wrote:

On Tue, 09 May 2006 04:17:36 +0100, Peter Wiley
wrote:

In article et,
Maxprop wrote:


You might try Vermont--I hear they love Subarus up there, especially
those
horrid things with the flat-four engines.

Umm, Max - every Subaru I've ever seen has had either a flat 4 or a
flat 6. Do they sell something else in the USA?

Vested interest - I have a Liberty AWD sedan (Legacy to you guys) and I
like it. It starts, runs, is comfortable and reasonably quiet. Mileage
is OK and at 230K, I expect to get at least another 100K out of it yet.
Never seen a Tribeca here but from the pix, looks a bit better than a
WRX. That's damning with faint praise :-)

PDW


Kilometers?

Well, of course. Doesn't everyone use the metric system?

The USA began the switch to the metric system some decades back, but gave up
the idea due to cost. Too bad. Now we have both systems--British and
metric, and I have to have two sets of wrenches and sockets, not to mention
speedometers that read in both systems.

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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I'll trust the other automotive magazines I've read over your
experience.
And since I haven't read Edmund's reports on hybrids . . .


More evidence that you can't even research properly. Edmunds has owner
forums and you can read what people are truly getting from a car in a
variety of locations. Magazine tests are too limited on their own to
judge something like MPG.

Are you saying that Consumer Reports is too limited to include owner
surveys? AAMOF, CS has consumer feedback on every car sold in America,
unless it's too new to be valid. Not to mention that magazine tests are
performed by highly experienced individuals whose only job is to perform
such tests and write them up. That would be in contrast to a single
self-proclaimed expert of everything whose unknowledgable opinions are
completely worthless in the overall scheme of things.


Wrong by your standards is probably right by everyone else's

According to Edmunds and the many Hybrid owners posting there, you're
wrong...about all of it.

I'm sure the "many hybrid owners" are more orgasmic about their cars than
about the second coming of Christ. After all they already bought them and
are stuck with an cost-inefficient technology that will be superceded
shortly.

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Japanese toys vs. fine Teutonic engineering.

Right. A cheap Japanese 600cc motorcycle will outperform that STI in
all
respects, so your point is ludicrous.


BMW makes some fine cars, but the cheap 3 series is little more than a
teenager's toy, except for the M3. The STI is simply better than
everything, far faster, far better handling in ALL conditions. It's
essentially an off the rack rally car. Oh, and the STI is very much
able to hold it's own with an M3 in every respect but build. The M3 is
awesome. You don't own one.

And it's damned unlikely I ever will. Why would I want the quintessential
poor-man's pocket rocket when I can own a real car, like a BMW?


LOL. Put my Bimmer next to that Tribeca (as unthinkable as that
would be
for a BMW owner) and see how many folks compliment each car
respectively.


This is NY. BMW is about as common as the Ford Focus. No one looks them
and they've become little more than ghetto mobiles. Then again only
really poor folks drive low end 3 series anyway...about as pathetic as
the Audi A4 in fact.

Gee, that must put the STI in the economic basement of ownership. Sorry to
hear that.



I'm content to have a quick auto with superb handling,
outstanding quality, cutting-edge engineering,


Do let us know when you get such a car.

I already have it. You, OTOH, have a hot little sedan that won't hold its
value after the next, more attractive and quicker Japanese pocket rocket
surfaces.


and resale value that your

Better check Edmunds. Both the Outback and STI have better resale than
your 3 series. Only the M3 has a good resale value. BMW doesn't even
make the top 10. You also need need to run TCO (Total cost of
ownership) where Subaru FAR outstrips the BMW and is only bested by
Toyota and Honda.
Yep, you sure know your cars!

Yep, I do. And I don't believe a word of your previous paragraph.
J.D.Powers, the acknowledged authority on owner surveys, puts the BMW way
above any Subaru in value retention.

A Lexus ES330 is just a Camry

Dude, are you on some kind of medication? Anyone who knows anything
would understand that it's not the ES330 I was talking about.

You might have been more specific. You simply said "a 330." An RX or an ES
would have been helpful.

You do
know that Lexus also makes a crossover, right?

"Crossover" is a media hype term. The RX330 is a car-based SUV, just like
my Highlander. In fact it's the same vehicle with different sheet metal and
some expensive interior goodies.

You do know that it has
a totally different suspension, right? And that it's one of the best
rated in it's class, right? Hmmmm? Guess not. Read some more car &
drivers and MT and get back to us!

I know that the RX330 and my Toyota Highlander, along with the Honda Pilot
leave your Tribeca in the dust in every survey and test so far published.

Sorry, Bubbles, but putting perfume on a pig doesn't make it something else.
G

Max

"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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As for speed, it's rather pointless to buy a car that can
double most posted
speed limits, despite your need to compensate for the
manliness nature
failed to provide.

Have you seen the V W commercials where people in their cars
are shouting stuff through bull horns? Saw it last night,
thought of Bob.

Of course he'd have the best, most advanced bull horn made.

Max

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

The clutch on my Liberty was replaced at 160K, the CV joints at
180K. That's it, and while I bought it used, it has the full logbook
dealer service records.

That's pretty good for a Jeep Liberty, which overall has had a rather dismal
reliability rating. But each car is an individual, and some folks get
lucky. I'd say you were fortunate. A neighbor finally sold his after only
15K miles and 2 years, during much of which the vehicle was in the shop
awaiting parts.

As I said, my personal experience with them is good. In fact I was
considering buying another one for my daughter.

Road & Track's long-term tests of Subarus has pointed to a number of service
issues on most of the models. And Consumer Reports also noted some issues
as well. But overall they are stout, relatively reliable vehicles. That
the company has doggedly retained it boxer engines is a bit surprising,
considering the problems that are inherent with boxers, but I suspect their
loyal clientele might revolt if they began putting inline 4s and V6s in
them.

Max

"John Cairns" wrote in message
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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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We have the ability to start using E85 right NOW, if we can get it into
Service Station's Pumps. If we start selling it, the profit boys sure as
hell will start making it.

Max, do you understand what I'm saying? I want Ethanol,if it will make
us fuel independent!! Is that clear enough for your BIAS (?) MIND?

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

Problem is, and you can look this up, is that it takes MORE than 1 gallon
of fossil fuels to produce 1 gallon of ethanol. The "profit boys" are
currently being subsidized heavily by the federal government to produce
ethanol. There is no "magic bullet", regardless of what the folks at BP
say.

Really old info, John (2003). The ethanol for automotive fuel use will be
produced from a variety of prairie grass, not corn. The cost of producing
one gallon of ethanol is substantially less than if corn were used. In
fact, it is widely regarded that if gasoline at the pumps exceeds $2.70,
then E85 can become a reality with no cost penalty. Since we've already
passed that figure, it's a slam dunk.

Max

Well; thank you Max,

The process in called Cellular Ethanol; An it is the process of using
the waste (What is now called Waste) biomass. The same size field can
out produce Corn 10 to 1 and the emission is reduced by 85% compared to
Ethanol from Corn is only about 25%. The Fermentation uses Gas rather
than Yeast and is getting cheaper every day but is still higher cost yet
than Crude but, as you say, it is competitive right now.

Max; Ethanol is the Chem of the week right now but there are 4 Alcohol
of high interest Methanol, Ethanol, Propanol and butanol. All capable of
replacing Fossil Fuels. Butanol is closer to gasoline than Ethanol

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