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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 May 2006 22:15:46 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
m...
In article , Frank
Boettcher wrote:

On Tue, 09 May 2006 04:17:36 +0100, Peter Wiley
wrote:

In article et,
Maxprop wrote:


You might try Vermont--I hear they love Subarus up there, especially
those
horrid things with the flat-four engines.

Umm, Max - every Subaru I've ever seen has had either a flat 4 or a
flat 6. Do they sell something else in the USA?

Vested interest - I have a Liberty AWD sedan (Legacy to you guys) and
I
like it. It starts, runs, is comfortable and reasonably quiet. Mileage
is OK and at 230K, I expect to get at least another 100K out of it
yet.
Never seen a Tribeca here but from the pix, looks a bit better than a
WRX. That's damning with faint praise :-)

PDW


Kilometers?

Well, of course. Doesn't everyone use the metric system?

The USA began the switch to the metric system some decades back, but gave
up
the idea due to cost. Too bad. Now we have both systems--British and
metric, and I have to have two sets of wrenches and sockets, not to
mention
speedometers that read in both systems.

Max


We do not use "British" and Metric. We use S.A.E. and metric. The British
came
up with a system that is worse than their teeth or their cusine, known as
"Whitworth". It's sort of the metric system expressed in fractions. It
means a
THIRD set of wrenches and sockets for those who own a British vehicle.

Tools are SAE, but our system of numbers is referred to as British. SAE
tools are numbered in the British fashion.

Max

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I'm sure the "many hybrid owners" are more orgasmic about their cars
than
about the second coming of Christ. After all they already bought them
and
are stuck with an cost-inefficient technology that will be superceded
shortly.


Plenty of folks give bad reviews to their new cars, Maxi. Just cruise
the Ford or GM forums.
As for Consumer Reports, every auto enthusiast considers them a joke,
even worse than MotorTrend. They're fine if you need help buying a
washing machine. And CR thinks Bose is world class sound. Nuff said.

RB
35s5
NY

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I don't have anything against Subarus, either, but don't tell Bubbles.




Holy backpedal, Batman!!!!
Sadly, I, and many others do have something against the sad little 3
series BMWs which can't hold a candle to cars from Subaru from resale
to handling. Fact. Sadly, people will buy crap if it has the right ad
campaign...and a reputation for capabilties that don't always trickle
down....enter the 3 series. Cars for the college graduate, almost as
popular as the Civic with the kids.
Enthusiasts seek better performance with cars like the Evo, STI, WRX,
FXT...and those willing to pay more...5 series, A6, S4 and so on.
3 series = I can't afford a real BMW.

RB
35s5
NY

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Gee, that must put the STI in the economic basement of ownership.
Sorry to
hear that.


STI costs 35K all said and done. It does EVERYTHING better than your 3
series, from handling in ALL conditions, to safety, to
speed...EVERYTHING. Oh, and it's resale IS BETTER.


Japanese pocket rocket
surfaces.


You might want to do a bit more research, Maxi. Or better still, drive
a few new cars. A car like the STI has supercar performance. 0-60 in
4.7 seconds and the handling combined with AWD than leaves most other
sports cars in the dust. Oh, and your beloved Consumer Reports seems to
think the Subaru is also more reliable, rated along side of Toyota for
2005!

An RX or an ES
would have been helpful.

Yep, we can all understand that is a comparison with the Triebca, you
thought I mean ES!!! Coming up next for Maxi....Pictures!


I know that the RX330 and my Toyota Highlander, along with the Honda Pilot
leave your Tribeca in the dust in every survey and test so far
published.

Bad news, Maxi....The tribeca outhandles the Highlander. In fact so
does the Pilot. It's one of the worst handling crossovers out there. It
also trails the Tribeca in every safety related area from stopping
distance to crash tests. Only the MDX comes close, but lacks the
superior Subaru AWD system. Did you even know that the highlander loses
ABS when traction control kicks in? So does the Pilot and MDX, but the
new MDX will cure this. You really studdied hard for that Highlander!
It was the first car we, and everyone we know, looked at....and passed
on. Along with the BMW X5 (the only SUV that Car & Driver felt handled
a bit better than the Tribeca at the expense of ride quality), the
Highlander is the most dated ride around.

RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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I'm sure the "many hybrid owners" are more orgasmic about their cars
than
about the second coming of Christ. After all they already bought them
and
are stuck with an cost-inefficient technology that will be superceded
shortly.


Plenty of folks give bad reviews to their new cars, Maxi. Just cruise
the Ford or GM forums.
As for Consumer Reports, every auto enthusiast considers them a joke,

I'm an auto enthusiast, and I don't, which clearly refutes that statement.

even worse than MotorTrend. They're fine if you need help buying a
washing machine. And CR thinks Bose is world class sound. Nuff said.

The Consumer Union does three things that no one else does: 1) they *buy*
the cars they test--they are not specially-prepared cars, provided by the
manufacturers, owners, or dealerships like ALL the other automotive press
uses. They just go buy an example of the car off someone's lot, and they
don't tell them what it's for. 2) they test the car over a period of months,
not just a one or two-day trial at some track and over a piece of roadway.
3) they take no advertising from manufacturers, thereby not committing
themselves to fluffing a road test in order to keep an advertiser happy.

Every other American road test group, whether automotive printed media or
on-line source, uses borrowed cars. And if they pan the car too severely,
they can kiss getting future vehicles for testing goodbye, not to mention
lost advertising revenues. The British magazines are somewhat less beholden
to the manufacturers, but they, too, use borrowed cars.

It's not surprising that lots of enthusiasts dislike Consumer Reports. If
you've paid $50K for a new Corvette, and CR has just published a road test
calling it a piece of plastic junk with more rattles than a wealthy baby,
you probably are going to take issue with them. It's like Practical Sailor
magazine--I hear far more hate-speak toward them than praise, but then they
call 'em the way they see 'em, too. Any time someone knocks your particular
boat, car, anchor, or whatever, you're going to be ****ed. And you're
probably going to do whatever you can to discredit that source.

Consumer Reports does one other thing: they do the most inclusive and
extensive owner surveys in the industry. Only Road & Track magazine does a
good job in this area, but not as extensive as CR.

Go ahead, Bubbles--shoot the messenger. But if the foo ****s . . .

As for Bose, they made some very fine speaker systems years ago. I have no
idea what they produce now, but I'm guessing you're prejudice against them
is long-standing and based on seriously out-dated information from CR. I've
never seen CR refer to Bose as "world-class sound," so I have to conclude
that this is something you heard from other prejudiced types. I'm under the
impression that you've probably never had an original thought in your life.

I have B&W speakers in every room that has a sound system. There are none
finer at any price, but the old Bose 901s I used to own were certainly
within the 95th percentile compared with my B&Ws.

Max

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Well; thank you Max,

The process in called Cellular Ethanol;

Close. It's "cellulosic ethanol."

An it is the process of using
the waste (What is now called Waste) biomass. The same size field can
out produce Corn 10 to 1 and the emission is reduced by 85% compared to
Ethanol from Corn is only about 25%. The Fermentation uses Gas rather
than Yeast and is getting cheaper every day but is still higher cost yet
than Crude but, as you say, it is competitive right now.

Max; Ethanol is the Chem of the week right now but there are 4 Alcohol
of high interest Methanol, Ethanol, Propanol and butanol. All capable of
replacing Fossil Fuels. Butanol is closer to gasoline than Ethanol

What's frightening is that Big Oil is investing heavily in ethanol, both in
obtaining government-granted rights to grow switchgrass on gov't land, plus
ethanol production facilities. Apparently they aren't going to lose their
market share quietly. I suppose it can be argued that no one "does it
better," but the way they've mishandled the Katrina-period pricing, I'm
worried that we'll never see reasonable prices at the pump again.

Max

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 May 2006 02:46:51 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:

Tools are SAE, but our system of numbers is referred to as British. SAE
tools are numbered in the British fashion.

Yes, our tools are numbered in the "british fashion" of fractions, but the
Brits
are expressing metric sizes using fractions, while we are using the inch.

The Brits abandoned their various systems in favor of the metric system
decades ago.

If you
needed to work on a 1954 BSA Golden Flash, you would need a set of
WHITWORTH
wrenches and sockets. Neither a metric or American SAE set would fit
properly.

Thankfully I don't own a BSA from that vintage. However I did have an early
60s conglomerate (built from a variety of parts from various years) BSA Gold
Star flattracker, but that was all metric.

Max

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I have B&W speakers in every room that has a sound system. There are
none
finer at any price, but the old Bose 901s I used to own were certainly
within the 95th percentile compared with my B&Ws.


Wow...I read everything you wrote up to this point and was about to
respond until I came to the hilarious comments about Bose and B&W.
Maxi there are plenty of finer speakers than your B&Ws. In fact, even
if you have 801's in every room, there are plenty that are better from
Martin Logan, Revel and of course Snell. I just sold my B&W CDM 1
center channel (a 900 dollar speaker) and it was good, but hardly the
best. My Revel speakers did everything better. Likewise my rear channel
B&W LM-1s, also sold off. Good gear from B&W (mated to Rotel amp and
preamp), but tippy highs require a more laid back preamp section. Yet
B&W uses Rotel for their listening tests!
As for Bose, even their top of the line 901s were a joke for false
imaging and Bose has always employed cheap drivers combined with unique
cabinets to fool less educated listeners...folks like you. Go listen to
a pair of Revel Ultima Gem's and then tell me what you think of your
B&Ws.
I get the feeling, as with BMW, that you're a fellow who buys into
advertising hook, line and sinker.


RB
35s5
NY

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Thankfully I don't own a BSA from that vintage. However I did have an
early
60s conglomerate (built from a variety of parts from various years) BSA Gold
Star flattracker, but that was all metric.


uh oh! Oops!


RB
35s5
NY

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 May 2006 12:39:09 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


"Mys Terry" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 11 May 2006 02:46:51 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:

Tools are SAE, but our system of numbers is referred to as British. SAE
tools are numbered in the British fashion.

Yes, our tools are numbered in the "british fashion" of fractions, but
the
Brits
are expressing metric sizes using fractions, while we are using the
inch.

The Brits abandoned their various systems in favor of the metric system
decades ago.

If you
needed to work on a 1954 BSA Golden Flash, you would need a set of
WHITWORTH
wrenches and sockets. Neither a metric or American SAE set would fit
properly.

Thankfully I don't own a BSA from that vintage. However I did have an
early
60s conglomerate (built from a variety of parts from various years) BSA
Gold
Star flattracker, but that was all metric.

Max



Based on your own statements, you VERY obviously did not own a BSA.

Based on your comment, I'd say you are up to you old trick of speaking
without a clue again.

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
I have B&W speakers in every room that has a sound system. There are
none
finer at any price, but the old Bose 901s I used to own were certainly
within the 95th percentile compared with my B&Ws.


Wow...I read everything you wrote up to this point and was about to
respond until I came to the hilarious comments about Bose and B&W.
Maxi there are plenty of finer speakers than your B&Ws. In fact, even
if you have 801's in every room, there are plenty that are better from
Martin Logan, Revel and of course Snell. I just sold my B&W CDM 1
center channel (a 900 dollar speaker) and it was good, but hardly the
best. My Revel speakers did everything better. Likewise my rear channel
B&W LM-1s, also sold off. Good gear from B&W (mated to Rotel amp and
preamp), but tippy highs require a more laid back preamp section. Yet
B&W uses Rotel for their listening tests!
As for Bose, even their top of the line 901s were a joke for false
imaging and Bose has always employed cheap drivers combined with unique
cabinets to fool less educated listeners...folks like you. Go listen to
a pair of Revel Ultima Gem's and then tell me what you think of your
B&Ws.
I get the feeling, as with BMW, that you're a fellow who buys into
advertising hook, line and sinker.

Bubbles, you're obviously little more than a regurgitation of other people's
opinions. You read something in Audiophile and it becomes gospel. Then you
listen to someone's highly colored speakers and decide, "oh yeah, those
really are the best." And then you go blow cash, believing you've reached
Nirvana.

Answer this: why do more recording studios have B&Ws as their monitors than
any other speaker made? Hint: they reproduce sound accurately, without
color, and without gimmicks. Those with no concept of what makes a great
loudspeaker generally don't care much for B&Ws. They like that thumping
bass, that screaming treble, that blaring midrange. Of course the original
performance didn't have all those components, but what the hell . . .

Max

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Answer this: why do more recording studios have B&Ws as their monitors
than
any other speaker made?


Bwahhahahahahaha! That was B&W's bit for years. Of course they GAVE out
tons of their old mini monitors and STILL more Yamaha monitors were in
studios. B&W is renowned as a bright speaker. They're good, but not
wonderful for sustained listening. Studio monitors make bad home
speakers and you don't even know why! Like I said, you totally buy into
ads while I audition speakers carefully...here is what I've owned....

B&W CDM Series (Bright, but otherwise good)
Carver Silver Ribbons (Amazing)
Heybrook H Series (Forgiving)
Revel Gem (No compromise for 4K)
Revel Q series (Good all around speaker)
Snell JII, JIII and JIV (Very forgiving on all material)
Canton Quinto 540 (Too bright, stunning bass speed)
Royd Coniston R (The least colored speaker ever)

And several more, and while the B&W's were good, they were far from the
best. B&W 801's are still a landmark speaker, but you don't own those,
now do you? Get back to me when you're done reading old issues of
Stereo Review. The comment about B&W studio monitors being some sort of
reason why they are good home speakers pretty much says it all. Maybe
you should use Rolland speakers at home as well???

And now...because you've made such a dope of yourself....I present you
with...BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!

RB
35s5
NY

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They like that thumping
bass, that screaming treble, that blaring midrange.


You even got that wrong. Poor speakers (Such as Bose) have sucked out
midrange, sloppy booming bass and bright highs. Why not give us all a
treat and tell us WHICH B&W's you own?


RB
35s5
NY

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
.net...

putting perfume on a pig doesn't make it something else.

Don't knock it, till you've tried it.

Scotty

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 May 2006 16:25:21 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


"Mys Terry" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 11 May 2006 12:39:09 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


"Mys Terry" wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 11 May 2006 02:46:51 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:

Tools are SAE, but our system of numbers is referred to as British.
SAE
tools are numbered in the British fashion.

Yes, our tools are numbered in the "british fashion" of fractions, but
the
Brits
are expressing metric sizes using fractions, while we are using the
inch.

The Brits abandoned their various systems in favor of the metric system
decades ago.

If you
needed to work on a 1954 BSA Golden Flash, you would need a set of
WHITWORTH
wrenches and sockets. Neither a metric or American SAE set would fit
properly.

Thankfully I don't own a BSA from that vintage. However I did have an
early
60s conglomerate (built from a variety of parts from various years) BSA
Gold
Star flattracker, but that was all metric.

Max



Based on your own statements, you VERY obviously did not own a BSA.

Based on your comment, I'd say you are up to you old trick of speaking
without a clue again.

Max


BSA never built an engine using anything other than Whitworth
fasteners, and a very few "mongrel fasteners of their own
specification which do not conform to ANY known standard between the
1930's through the end of the 60's.

That means you are either lying about owning a BSA, or you never did
any of your own work on it and so didn't realize that the fasteners
were Whitworth, not metric.

If they were, as you claim, Whitworth, that didn't alter the fact that my
metric and SAE tools fit them acceptably well. Hell yes, I did my own work.
A poor flattracker could barely afford lunch, let alone a technician to work
on his ride.

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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They like that thumping
bass, that screaming treble, that blaring midrange.


You even got that wrong. Poor speakers (Such as Bose) have sucked out
midrange, sloppy booming bass and bright highs. Why not give us all a
treat and tell us WHICH B&W's you own?

802Ds.

Was that a treat? If so, you are easily amused.

Max

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802Ds.

Was that a treat? If so, you are easily amused.


Max, if you own the 11, 500 dollar pair of 802Ds (and have them in
every room in the house!) and also own the 7-10K in electronics
required to make them sound good, I owe you an apology. They are VERY
fine speakers and I heard a pair with Krell amps and CJ front end
recently.
Still, I find it hard to believe that you own these so perhaps you'll
post a pic of your setup...or I'll do it for you if you send. I'm very
interested in such exotics, which I'm unable to own until Thom's older.


RB
35s5
NY

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A poor flattracker could barely afford lunch, let alone a technician to work
on his ride.


You were not a flat tracker, either.



I sure hope Maxi can prove he owns 802's because he's taking a mighty
drubbing these last few days...almost Sloco style in fact!!!!

WahBAM!

RB
35s5
NY

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
k.net...

If they were, as you claim, Whitworth, that didn't alter
the fact that my
metric and SAE tools fit them acceptably well. Hell yes,
I did my own work.
A poor flattracker could barely afford lunch, let alone a
technician to work
on his ride.


I, along with many of my friends have owned / ridden /
wrenched on many a Triumph / BSA / Norton and none of us
ever had ''Whitworth tools''.

BB is an idiot!

Scotty

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yeah, those Whitworth Phillips head screws used to get
rounded pretty quick.


Yep, nothing but P-heads holding those Triumph / BSA / Norton's!!!! A
miracle of engineering!

How much MORE BUSTED can Scotty and Maxi get??? Let's find out!


RB
35s5
NY

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
...


I, along with many of my friends have owned / ridden /
wrenched on many a Triumph / BSA / Norton and none of us
ever had ''Whitworth tools''.

We were all a bunch of ignorant hacks who didn't care if
we
rounded

yeah, those Whitworth Phillips head screws used to get
rounded pretty quick.

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, along with many of my friends have owned / ridden /
wrenched on many a Triumph / BSA / Norton and none of us
ever had ''Whitworth tools''.


This is NOT surprising!!!


RB
35s5
NY

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I bet Scotty used a metric screwdriver to tighten Whitworth hose
clamps.
Oh the humanity!

BB

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
802Ds.

Was that a treat? If so, you are easily amused.


Max, if you own the 11, 500 dollar pair of 802Ds (and have them in
every room in the house!) and also own the 7-10K in electronics
required to make them sound good, I owe you an apology. They are VERY
fine speakers and I heard a pair with Krell amps and CJ front end
recently.
Still, I find it hard to believe that you own these so perhaps you'll
post a pic of your setup...or I'll do it for you if you send. I'm very
interested in such exotics, which I'm unable to own until Thom's older.

The 802s, acquired last year, are in the family room, on either side of the
fireplace. My electronics are older and need upgrading, but aren't bad.
Since I've acknowledged that and see no reason to begin another pointless
debate, we'll leave it at that, rather than elaborate on my electronics.

The other B&Ws aren't quite so "exotic". I have 701s in the living room and
a pair of DM601 S3s in the bedroom, which are fine for the type of listening
we do there. I also have a B&W sub in with the 802s, but can't recall the
model offhand. It is a 12" unit, chosen for musicality, not movie rumble.

What do you think of McIntosh gear?

Max

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 12 May 2006 03:04:50 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


"Mys Terry" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 11 May 2006 16:25:21 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


"Mys Terry" wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 11 May 2006 12:39:09 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


"Mys Terry" wrote in message
news:me5662dkr17hmmct11v11g80kftjec7mud@4ax. com...
On Thu, 11 May 2006 02:46:51 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:

Tools are SAE, but our system of numbers is referred to as British.
SAE
tools are numbered in the British fashion.

Yes, our tools are numbered in the "british fashion" of fractions,
but
the
Brits
are expressing metric sizes using fractions, while we are using the
inch.

The Brits abandoned their various systems in favor of the metric
system
decades ago.

If you
needed to work on a 1954 BSA Golden Flash, you would need a set of
WHITWORTH
wrenches and sockets. Neither a metric or American SAE set would fit
properly.

Thankfully I don't own a BSA from that vintage. However I did have an
early
60s conglomerate (built from a variety of parts from various years)
BSA
Gold
Star flattracker, but that was all metric.

Max



Based on your own statements, you VERY obviously did not own a BSA.

Based on your comment, I'd say you are up to you old trick of speaking
without a clue again.

Max


BSA never built an engine using anything other than Whitworth
fasteners, and a very few "mongrel fasteners of their own
specification which do not conform to ANY known standard between the
1930's through the end of the 60's.

That means you are either lying about owning a BSA, or you never did
any of your own work on it and so didn't realize that the fasteners
were Whitworth, not metric.

If they were, as you claim, Whitworth, that didn't alter the fact that my
metric and SAE tools fit them acceptably well.

That sure sounds like an admission that you were full of ****.

Hell yes, I did my own work.

Hard to believe in light of your admission that you didn't even know what
Whitworth is. Then you claimed that YOUR BSA was metric. Now you say your
tools
didn't fit perfectly.

The carbs on those bikes were one of two models by the same manufacturer.
One
model began with a "C" and the other began with an "M". ANY person who had
every
worked on a BSA from the 50's through the early 70's would know this like
their
own name. Name the models, and tell us which was the earlier incarnation.


A poor flattracker could barely afford lunch, let alone a technician to
work
on his ride.


You were not a flat tracker, either.

You really don't deserve an answer, you're such a pompous ass, but for the
record, I not only owned a BSA Gold Star, I owned a Spitfire and a Triumph
Bonneville as well. During my racing years, I owned a Triumph Bonne engine
in a Rickman Matisse frame, replaced it with a Norton 750 Commando engine,
and eventually raced a borrowed H-D XR750, with which I earned a national
amateur title and placed well for three subsequent years. And during that
time I never heard ANYONE mention Whitworth tools--not the other racers, the
mechanics (even those who worked for the BSA dealership) or the other
annoying know-it-alls, like you.

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
A poor flattracker could barely afford lunch, let alone a technician to
work
on his ride.


You were not a flat tracker, either.



I sure hope Maxi can prove he owns 802's because he's taking a mighty
drubbing these last few days...almost Sloco style in fact!!!!

Any desire I might have to prove anything to you would be predicated on the
premise that I actually give a damn what you think. I don't.


Max

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
k.net...

If they were, as you claim, Whitworth, that didn't alter
the fact that my
metric and SAE tools fit them acceptably well. Hell yes,
I did my own work.
A poor flattracker could barely afford lunch, let alone a
technician to work
on his ride.


I, along with many of my friends have owned / ridden /
wrenched on many a Triumph / BSA / Norton and none of us
ever had ''Whitworth tools''.

BB is an idiot!

He's the type of know-it-all whom we all avoided like the plague. Funny how
that still applies.

Max

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
...
On 12 May 2006 06:12:30 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

yeah, those Whitworth Phillips head screws used to get
rounded pretty quick.


Yep, nothing but P-heads holding those Triumph / BSA / Norton's!!!! A
miracle of engineering!

How much MORE BUSTED can Scotty and Maxi get??? Let's find out!


RB
35s5
NY

Scotty doesn't even realize that the phillips head screws on BSA's
were, in fact, Whitworth screws.
After he would strip the head, he
probably had a little trouble trying to force those SAE or Metric
threaded replacements into the Whitworth threaded holes.

Still waiting for Max to answer the carb question!

The bike came set up with a Delorto race carb, you ignorant ass. It was a
flattracker, not some idiot's street toy.

The difference is that all your "knowledge" comes from magazines, BB. Mine
comes from experience, and a studious avoidance of know-it-all jerks like
yourself.

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
, along with many of my friends have owned / ridden /
wrenched on many a Triumph / BSA / Norton and none of us
ever had ''Whitworth tools''.


This is NOT surprising!!!

On this issue you are truly out of your league, Bubbles. Go back to touting
your plastic Bendy Toy, because you have not the slightest clue about Brit
bikes. Nor does BB.

Max

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What do you think of McIntosh gear?



It's very well made, but I find the upper midrange and highes lacking
in detail and refinement compared to other gear in it's pricerange. I
often think that the dull upper ends are mistook for smoothness in
recordings by older folks who really want more forgiving gear, even if
their speakers are very revealing. It all comes down to what you want
to listen to. Older recordings may be more listenable with McIntosh as
the 802's can sound forward and bright with some electronics.
Those are GREAT speakers, Maxi!!!! I'm happy to hear you have them.
They are worth the money, especially when properly set up. You don't
have to be an audiophile to appreciate them either...just a lover of
music.

(this is my "he sounds like a reasonable fella" post of the day)

RB
35s5
NY

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I also have a B&W sub in with the 802s, but can't recall the
model offhand. It is a 12" unit, chosen for musicality, not movie
rumble.


BTW, there are quite a few subs that can do both and prices are much
lower these days. SVS is one company that is well regarded. My Paradigm
sub was rated down to 17 hz, but was more musical than the twin Snell
subs which were supposed to be quicker and more detailed. All of my
good gear has been sold off. The Revel's are in storage. I have Onkyo
speakers hanging now, out of the toddlers reach. Sweet sound is a few
year off I'm afraid. While the home theatre in a box is "okay" I sure
do miss the good stuff. The good side is that Thomas, in killing our
16X9 HD set, led us to the projector which is far and away more fun
than any conventional TV.

RB
35s5
NY

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...


I, along with many of my friends have owned / ridden /
wrenched on many a Triumph / BSA / Norton and none of us
ever had ''Whitworth tools''.

BB is an idiot!

He's the type of know-it-all whom we all avoided like the
plague. Funny how
that still applies.


He must have done a Google for BSA and found out about
Whitworth tools, er, I mean spanners.

SV

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 May 2006 03:22:32 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


"Scotty" wrote in message
.. .

"Maxprop" wrote in message
k.net...

If they were, as you claim, Whitworth, that didn't alter
the fact that my
metric and SAE tools fit them acceptably well. Hell yes,
I did my own work.
A poor flattracker could barely afford lunch, let alone a
technician to work
on his ride.


I, along with many of my friends have owned / ridden /
wrenched on many a Triumph / BSA / Norton and none of us
ever had ''Whitworth tools''.

BB is an idiot!

He's the type of know-it-all whom we all avoided like the plague. Funny
how
that still applies.

Max


Sounds like a good plan for remaining an ignorant know-nothing.

The difference was we knew what was required, and we gained that knowledge
from experience. You know "everything" (nothing of particular use or
importance) and you got it all from reading some magazine or book.

When you are wrestling a motorcycle through a muddy, severely rutted turn on
a track, hoping the guy below you doesn't chicken out and blow into your
line to escape, you really don't give much of a **** about Whit-whatever
tools and whether BSA ever made a 440. Losers like you sat in the stands.

Max

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 May 2006 10:24:53 -0400, "Scotty"
wrote:


"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...


I, along with many of my friends have owned / ridden /
wrenched on many a Triumph / BSA / Norton and none of us
ever had ''Whitworth tools''.

BB is an idiot!

He's the type of know-it-all whom we all avoided like the
plague. Funny how
that still applies.


He must have done a Google for BSA and found out about
Whitworth tools, er, I mean spanners.

SV



You are bleeding bad on this one, potty.

Potty? Sure sounds like Bubbles.

Max

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 May 2006 03:30:05 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


"Mys Terry" wrote in message
. ..
On 12 May 2006 06:12:30 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

yeah, those Whitworth Phillips head screws used to get
rounded pretty quick.


Yep, nothing but P-heads holding those Triumph / BSA / Norton's!!!! A
miracle of engineering!

How much MORE BUSTED can Scotty and Maxi get??? Let's find out!


RB
35s5
NY

Scotty doesn't even realize that the phillips head screws on BSA's
were, in fact, Whitworth screws.
After he would strip the head, he
probably had a little trouble trying to force those SAE or Metric
threaded replacements into the Whitworth threaded holes.

Still waiting for Max to answer the carb question!

The bike came set up with a Delorto race carb, you ignorant ass. It was a
flattracker, not some idiot's street toy.


Then it was bought used. You have claimed to have owned a bunch of Britsih
bikes. You should know what carb was on the bike.

It was built by a gifted technician in Toronto and raced by a friend for
four seasons prior to my acquisition of it. I've never seen a box-stock
Gold Star in my life. How in hell would I know anything about stock carbs?

The difference is that all your "knowledge" comes from magazines, BB.
Mine
comes from experience, and a studious avoidance of know-it-all jerks like
yourself.

Max


In my youth I owned a motorcycle shop in Santa Cruz California.

Now this really sounds like Bubbles talking, er . . rather fabricating.

We specialized
in restoring classics from around the world. My partner in the venture
became a
famous rock star in the mid 70's. I am sure some of my knowlege was
gleaned from
magazines, but certainly not the bulk of it.

Race bikes generally have almost no resemblance to stock machines. The
know-it-alls from the spectator stands used to prowl the pits and ask
totally stupid questions like, "Is that a so-and-so carb on that Gold Star?"

My Spitfire and 441 Victor, and the Triumph all had stock carbs, but I have
absolutely no recollection of what carbs they had. I probably knew at the
time, but have long since forgotten, not that it matters in the slightest,
nor did it then. I rode bikes and raced them--I didn't waste time trying to
impress others with useless esoteric info.

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
What do you think of McIntosh gear?



It's very well made, but I find the upper midrange and highes lacking
in detail and refinement compared to other gear in it's pricerange. I
often think that the dull upper ends are mistook for smoothness in
recordings by older folks who really want more forgiving gear, even if
their speakers are very revealing. It all comes down to what you want
to listen to. Older recordings may be more listenable with McIntosh as
the 802's can sound forward and bright with some electronics.

They never sound overly "bright," and I think you were referring to
"presence" with your term "forward." Yes, they have presence, but
restrained. That's why I bought them. Something else--my lesser expensive
B&W 701s sound almost as good as the 802s, hard as that may be to believe,
considering the price difference. The 601s are quite a bit farther behind,
but still fine speakers. As I mentioned before, lots of people don't like
B&Ws, because they don't have that overt brightness and slap-you-in-the-face
midrange presence that some speakers have. They have balanced, uncolored
sound, and to some ears that's boring and uninteresting. To me it's
perfection. I listened to many speakers before buying the three sets I
have, and always went back to the B&Ws. I even did some blind tests and
still picked the Bowers and Wilkins loudspeakers every time.

Those are GREAT speakers, Maxi!!!! I'm happy to hear you have them.
They are worth the money, especially when properly set up. You don't
have to be an audiophile to appreciate them either...just a lover of
music.

I couldn't tell *any* difference in sound quality between them and the
Prestige. Maybe it's just my aging ears, but they were sonically
indistinguishable. Further my wife was not about to have a pair of those in
the house. The Prestige costs about the same as a decent car, so it was an
easy decision.


(this is my "he sounds like a reasonable fella" post of the day)

Which is why you got a reasonable-sounding answer. See how that works?

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
I also have a B&W sub in with the 802s, but can't recall the
model offhand. It is a 12" unit, chosen for musicality, not movie
rumble.


BTW, there are quite a few subs that can do both and prices are much
lower these days. SVS is one company that is well regarded. My Paradigm
sub was rated down to 17 hz, but was more musical than the twin Snell
subs which were supposed to be quicker and more detailed. All of my
good gear has been sold off. The Revel's are in storage. I have Onkyo
speakers hanging now, out of the toddlers reach. Sweet sound is a few
year off I'm afraid. While the home theatre in a box is "okay" I sure
do miss the good stuff. The good side is that Thomas, in killing our
16X9 HD set, led us to the projector which is far and away more fun
than any conventional TV.

Have you tried *instructing* him to stay away from those things?

Max

Sailing and Cars
 

Nutsy,

Its better than "Blame Little Thom" for losing you Metric Screw Driver
for that SS French Hookers Vessel of yours.

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

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In article et,
Maxprop wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

The clutch on my Liberty was replaced at 160K, the CV joints at
180K. That's it, and while I bought it used, it has the full logbook
dealer service records.

That's pretty good for a Jeep Liberty, which overall has had a rather dismal
reliability rating.

Subaru Liberty. Sold in the USA as a Legacy IIRC. Wouldn't have a Jeep
except as a gift. Useless excuse for a 4WD compared to a Toyota,
Nissan, Mitsubishi or almost anything except maybe a Lada.

PDW

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In article , Mys Terry
wrote:

On Wed, 10 May 2006 22:15:46 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
...
In article , Frank
Boettcher wrote:

On Tue, 09 May 2006 04:17:36 +0100, Peter Wiley
wrote:

In article et,
Maxprop wrote:


You might try Vermont--I hear they love Subarus up there, especially
those
horrid things with the flat-four engines.

Umm, Max - every Subaru I've ever seen has had either a flat 4 or a
flat 6. Do they sell something else in the USA?

Vested interest - I have a Liberty AWD sedan (Legacy to you guys) and I
like it. It starts, runs, is comfortable and reasonably quiet. Mileage
is OK and at 230K, I expect to get at least another 100K out of it yet.
Never seen a Tribeca here but from the pix, looks a bit better than a
WRX. That's damning with faint praise :-)

PDW


Kilometers?

Well, of course. Doesn't everyone use the metric system?

The USA began the switch to the metric system some decades back, but gave up
the idea due to cost. Too bad. Now we have both systems--British and
metric, and I have to have two sets of wrenches and sockets, not to mention
speedometers that read in both systems.

Max


We do not use "British" and Metric. We use S.A.E. and metric. The British came
up with a system that is worse than their teeth or their cusine, known as
"Whitworth".

Actually an engineer named Whitworth came up with Whitworth, known as
British Standard Whitworth later on. SAE - society of American
Engineers - was a Johnny come lately and they *still* managed to create
1/2-13, which has to take the prize for one of the most stupid thread
pitches of all time.

It's sort of the metric system expressed in fractions.

Wrong, but that's expected.

PDW