"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Thom Stewart" wrote
Pipelines are problem but not as much a problem as Crude
by Tankers, all
the way from the Middle East. The raw material for
Ethanol can be
transported by open bed Trucks (Even Horse and wagon) to
the
fermentation stations. They can be harvested with out
high pressure
wells and transported without fear of explosion and a
spill of a load of
Corn doesn't damage the environment like a tank truck
rollover, or a
ship running aground or a pipe line braking. Trade off
seems to favor
Ethanol. Don't you think?

Transport is only part of the picture. Growing and
transporting enough corn to
make a gallon of ethanol, then actually making it,
consumes mucho energy
itself - some claim it takes more energy to produce than
we can get back out of
it. I don't know if that's true but I do know that a
tractor plowing a field,
or even just disking and planting "no-till" corn uses more
fuel than most folk
can imagine. The exact figures escape me but maybe one of
y'all know. Also,
farming is about as dangerous as mining.


They use pull horses around here. Only pollution from them
is recycled into fertilizer.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Scotty wrote:
.

They use pull horses around here. Only pollution from them
is recycled into fertilizer.

The tree huggers won't leave them in peace either, they claim that
"bio-gasses", (animal farts for the normal folks) are a major source of
green house gasses. Some even say that the dinosaurs killed themselves
of in a bath of intense UV radiation caused by an ozone layer depleted
by uncontrolled reptilian flatulence! Probably smelled about as bad as
the interior of Boobie's wife's Benny after he's spent a night onboard
with the hatches battened down with the AC running while safely tied to
the dock!

Cheers
Marty

Martin Baxter wrote:
Scotty wrote:
.

They use pull horses around here. Only pollution from them
is recycled into fertilizer.

The tree huggers won't leave them in peace either, they claim that
"bio-gasses", (animal farts for the normal folks) are a major source of
green house gasses. Some even say that the dinosaurs killed themselves
of in a bath of intense UV radiation caused by an ozone layer depleted
by uncontrolled reptilian flatulence! Probably smelled about as bad as
the interior of Boobie's wife's Benny after he's spent a night onboard
with the hatches battened down with the AC running while safely tied to
the dock!

Cheers
Marty
Ya know, I can't help but wonder that if the "treehuggers" (not
those who are genuinely concerned and looking for reasonable
answers) don't martyr themselves for the cause, do themselves in,
and release the world from their misery.

Scotty wrote:
"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Thom Stewart" wrote
Pipelines are problem but not as much a problem as Crude
by Tankers, all
the way from the Middle East. The raw material for
Ethanol can be
transported by open bed Trucks (Even Horse and wagon) to
the
fermentation stations. They can be harvested with out
high pressure
wells and transported without fear of explosion and a
spill of a load of
Corn doesn't damage the environment like a tank truck
rollover, or a
ship running aground or a pipe line braking. Trade off
seems to favor
Ethanol. Don't you think?
Transport is only part of the picture. Growing and
transporting enough corn to
make a gallon of ethanol, then actually making it,
consumes mucho energy
itself - some claim it takes more energy to produce than
we can get back out of
it. I don't know if that's true but I do know that a
tractor plowing a field,
or even just disking and planting "no-till" corn uses more
fuel than most folk
can imagine. The exact figures escape me but maybe one of
y'all know. Also,
farming is about as dangerous as mining.


They use pull horses around here. Only pollution from them
is recycled into fertilizer.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


They did a study of the Amish farmers in the southern Michigan and
northern Indiana area and found that for small farms, those under
300 acres, that Belgian horses were more efficient than tractors.
One of the factors was that a horses weight on the soil does not rip
it up like the heavy tread of a tractor.

A guy down the road from me uses 12, side by side ( single
row) for plowing. Looks cool!


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

"katy" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
planting "no-till" corn uses more
fuel than most folk
can imagine. The exact figures escape me but maybe one
of
y'all know. Also,
farming is about as dangerous as mining.


They use pull horses around here. Only pollution from
them
is recycled into fertilizer.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


They did a study of the Amish farmers in the southern
Michigan and
northern Indiana area and found that for small farms,
those under
300 acres, that Belgian horses were more efficient than
tractors.
One of the factors was that a horses weight on the soil
does not rip
it up like the heavy tread of a tractor.

"Scotty" wrote.
A guy down the road from me uses 12 (horses), side by side ( single
row) for plowing. Looks cool!

12 horses to plow a single row gives one an idea of how much fuel a tractor uses
to plow an acre for corn, and why ethanol may take more energy to produce than
it can yield back.

"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Scotty" wrote.
A guy down the road from me uses 12 (horses), side by
side ( single
row) for plowing. Looks cool!

12 horses to plow a single row gives one an idea of how
much fuel a tractor uses
to plow an acre for corn, and why ethanol may take more
energy to produce than
it can yield back.


No, stupid, the horses were in one row.

Scotty wrote:
"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Scotty" wrote.
A guy down the road from me uses 12 (horses), side by
side ( single
row) for plowing. Looks cool!
12 horses to plow a single row gives one an idea of how
much fuel a tractor uses
to plow an acre for corn, and why ethanol may take more
energy to produce than
it can yield back.


No, stupid, the horses were in one row.




I was rteing to figure that out...you are referring to a 12 hp
tracotr, correct?

"katy" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Scotty" wrote.
A guy down the road from me uses 12 (horses), side by
side ( single
row) for plowing. Looks cool!
12 horses to plow a single row gives one an idea of how
much fuel a tractor uses
to plow an acre for corn, and why ethanol may take more
energy to produce than
it can yield back.


No, stupid, the horses were in one row.




I was rteing to figure that out...you are referring to a
12 hp
tracotr, correct?

No Darlin, they still use pull horses around here.

You start talking like a Southern Belle , yet. When I used
to spend time down south I'd start talkin with a bit of a
Southern drawl.

Scotty

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Scotty" wrote.
A guy down the road from me uses 12 (horses), side by
side ( single
row) for plowing. Looks cool!

12 horses to plow a single row gives one an idea of how
much fuel a tractor uses
to plow an acre for corn, and why ethanol may take more
energy to produce than
it can yield back.


No, stupid, the horses were in one row.

So, asshole, how many 18" deep furrows i he plowing??