Time for withdrawal
 

Time to just pull out of Iraq.

The terrorists won't ever win. Their philosophy is morally bankrupt.

America bailed on Communism in Cuba, North Korea, VietNam, and bailed in
Somalia, Haiti, plus dozens of other places and they all failed eventually.

Evil only exists because immoral American politicians support it. Without
support, evil collapses upon itself.

The Republicans are lying swindlers, big spenders and on a religious war.
Let's stop supporting that evil too.

Amen!

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Amen to that with you Bob!

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

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The Republicans are lying swindlers, big spenders and on a religious
war.
Let's stop supporting that evil too.


Sad to say that it's not just republicans. All of the assholes who
voted Bush in are also supporting this evil mess. Some moron's still
won't accept they were lied to. Look at poor Scotty. He's perfectly
happy with this clown as president. Amazing.

RB
35s5
NY

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A vietnam vet said it best.

" I have no regrets concerning our involvement in Iraq.
I would rather, MUCH rather, get the terrorists in thier own
neighborhoods
than coming through my kitchen door.

I don't think the media is doing a good job of telling us what is
really
happening in Iraq. They show us a crowd of a 100 people that are ****ed

about something, but they never show us the 900 people that are tickled
to
death that we have set them free. I don't think that we should be there
any
longer than needed, but "longer than needed" is a rather subjective
term.
How long should it take to "impose" freedom on a suppressed population?
Do
we really "impose" freedom, or do we stay long enough to help the
freedom to
take root? Should we help freedom to take root, or should we flee at
the
first sign of opposition? Should we protect ourselves and spread
freedom
around the globe, or should we allow tyrannical dictators to rule with
fear
and oppression?


Should we sit silently when we are outragiously attacked, or should we
stand
up for our own rights and way of life? If you think that your way of
life is
not worth standing up for, then maybe you should move to another
country.
Personally, I am going to defend my way of life, even if that means
that I
will be sending my own kids and my neighbor's kids into the line of
fire. I
have stood in that line, so I know what I am talking about. My leaders
are
doing the right thing, despite what the naysayers have to say."

Amen

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

A vietnam vet said it best.

" I have no regrets concerning our involvement in Iraq.
I would rather, MUCH rather, get the terrorists in thier own
neighborhoods
than coming through my kitchen door.

Then why stop at Iraq?





I don't think the media is doing a good job of telling us what is
really
happening in Iraq. They show us a crowd of a 100 people that are ****ed

about something, but they never show us the 900 people that are tickled
to
death that we have set them free.

What does this have to do with terrorism?

If 90% are free, job done - let's leave.



I don't think that we should be there
any
longer than needed, but "longer than needed" is a rather subjective
term.

So is terrorist.

How long should it take to "impose" freedom on a suppressed population?

Force them to be free!


Do
we really "impose" freedom, or do we stay long enough to help the
freedom to
take root?

At least 2 generations then.


Should we help freedom to take root, or should we flee at
the
first sign of opposition?

Bay of Pigs? Or should we get lots of our guys killed and then flee?


Should we protect ourselves and spread
freedom
around the globe, or should we allow tyrannical dictators to rule with
fear
and oppression?

Our elected leaders rule with fear and oppression.

Korea has a tyrant that has threatened to nuke the US. Why don't we attack?

We've been in Korea for almost 55 years. How long will we be in Iraq?




Should we sit silently when we are outragiously attacked, or should we
stand
up for our own rights and way of life?


Enforce the Constitution!



If you think that your way of
life is
not worth standing up for, then maybe you should move to another
country.
Personally, I am going to defend my way of life,

Even if it means dumping Bush?


even if that means
that I
will be sending my own kids and my neighbor's kids into the line of
fire.

Do the kids have a choice? Or are they forced to go?

I
have stood in that line, so I know what I am talking about. My leaders
are
doing the right thing,

Bush Bush or Cheney has not stood in that line, so by inference they don't
know what they're talking about.
Those protesting Generals stood in that line for decades, they must know
what they're talking about!


despite what the naysayers have to say."

despite: in spite of, with malice towards.

An appeal to pity, emotion, authority and full of illogical platitudes. All
the justification we need to spend big, invade and kill!

Lloyd




Amen

Joe

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 20 Apr 2006 10:27:42 -0700, "Joe" said:

I don't think the media is doing a good job of telling us what is
really
happening in Iraq.

Aw, c'mon. The Times's front page is a better comedy routine than Jay
Lenno.

The NYT is a liberal rag. Here, read something refreshing from a good,
religious long-time Republican:

http://www.nationalreview.com/buckle...0602241451.asp

Amen!

Time for withdrawal
 

I don't think the media is doing a good job of telling us what is
really
happening in Iraq. They show us a crowd of a 100 people that are ****ed



I'll tell you what's going on in Iraq because I have two friends that
live there. We are not there because of any terrorists. We are not
there to set anyone free.
Joe, we are there so certain people can make a LOT of money, more money
than you can even comprehend. They are milking you, Joe and lying to
all the way. A lot of people know this and yet they've also come to
accept it. Is "your"government doing ANYTHING to protect you from
gouging fuel costs? Of course not.
Joe, you're exactly the kind of cattle Bush and his people hope for and
love. You make it all possible.



RB
35s5
NY

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 20 Apr 2006 10:27:42 -0700, "Joe" said:

I don't think the media is doing a good job of telling us what is
really
happening in Iraq.

Aw, c'mon. The Times's front page is a better comedy routine than Jay
Lenno.

The NYT is a liberal rag. Here, read something refreshing from a good,
religious long-time Republican:

http://www.nationalreview.com/buckle...0602241451.asp

Ah, yes--William F., a great American conservative. And he hit the nail on
the head.

Max

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:38:55 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
scribbled thusly:

Time to just pull out of Iraq.


Heck yeah, now you've totally screwed it,

It wouldn't be the first time, nor will it be the last.

Iran looks good, 6 day war before Shrub leaves office then 20 years of
turmoil.

I was thinking more like Australia--too many liberals down there.
Something's got to be done. g

AND, we could take over the vinyards and wineries and make lots of money.

Max

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In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:38:55 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
scribbled thusly:

Time to just pull out of Iraq.


Heck yeah, now you've totally screwed it,

It wouldn't be the first time, nor will it be the last.

Iran looks good, 6 day war before Shrub leaves office then 20 years of
turmoil.

I was thinking more like Australia--too many liberals down there.
Something's got to be done. g

Too late, we sold out to the Japanese & Chinese. They've got more money
than you guys. We know you won't pick a fight with your paymasters.

AND, we could take over the vinyards and wineries and make lots of money.

Not if you run them like you do in the USA, you wouldn't.

PDW

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

AND, we could take over the vinyards and wineries and make lots of money.

Not if you run them like you do in the USA, you wouldn't.

You're going to have to explain that. The USA certainly appears quite
successful in the wine business of late. I haven't seen figures, but I'm
guessing we are among the top five wine producers in the world. And some of
it is very damn good.

Max

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:57:34 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:

AND, we could take over the vinyards and wineries and make lots of money.

Max

Just don't try growing grapes.
Growers are in deep atm as exports have peaked and wineries are
slowing production.

Hmmm. Haven't heard any of that. I know imported wines are taking a big
bite out of the US market, but then the really good US wines are all
overpriced, if excellent. But I'd assumed the US was still one of the
larger producers. Do you have figures?

Max

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In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:57:34 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:

AND, we could take over the vinyards and wineries and make lots of money.

Max

Just don't try growing grapes.
Growers are in deep atm as exports have peaked and wineries are
slowing production.

Hmmm. Haven't heard any of that. I know imported wines are taking a big
bite out of the US market, but then the really good US wines are all
overpriced, if excellent. But I'd assumed the US was still one of the
larger producers. Do you have figures?

Australia:


0Article222005?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno =1301.0&issue=2005&num
=&view=

USA:

http://www.wineinstitute.org/communi.../exports03.htm

You guys are almost an order of magnitude larger, on these figures.
Interesting. Given our lower production costs & quality advantages at
those price points, there should be plenty of room for Aussie exports
to grow.

PDW

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In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

AND, we could take over the vinyards and wineries and make lots of money.

Not if you run them like you do in the USA, you wouldn't.

You're going to have to explain that. The USA certainly appears quite
successful in the wine business of late. I haven't seen figures, but I'm
guessing we are among the top five wine producers in the world. And some of
it is very damn good.

Ah well, I was wrong on that one. Memories of drinking Cal wines at the
same price point as Aussie exports when I lived in Tucson. I shouldn't
have generalised from a very small sample base.

PDW

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Capt. Rob wrote:
I don't think the media is doing a good job of telling us what is
really
happening in Iraq. They show us a crowd of a 100 people that are ****ed



I'll tell you what's going on in Iraq because I have two friends that
live there. We are not there because of any terrorists. We are not
there to set anyone free.
Joe, we are there so certain people can make a LOT of money, more money
than you can even comprehend. They are milking you, Joe and lying to
all the way. A lot of people know this and yet they've also come to
accept it. Is "your"government doing ANYTHING to protect you from
gouging fuel costs? Of course not.
Joe, you're exactly the kind of cattle Bush and his people hope for and
love. You make it all possible.



Guess you did not buy a bunch of Halliburton stock when Capt. American
said to buy it before the war.

Toooooo Bad...

Joe






RB
35s5
NY

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"Maxprop" wrote in message

You're going to have to explain that. The USA certainly appears quite
successful in the wine business of late. I haven't seen figures, but I'm
guessing we are among the top five wine producers in the world. And some
of it is very damn good.

Oh Yeah... your "Thunderbird" is famous! Nevermind your well known
"Strawberry Angel".... Bwahahahahahahahaaa

Oops... I believe I spilled a drop of my Canadian Ice Wine!

CM

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message

You guys are almost an order of magnitude larger, on these figures.
Interesting. Given our lower production costs & quality advantages at
those price points, there should be plenty of room for Aussie exports
to grow.

Don't hold your breath ... Max is part of the "New World French"... Snobs of
America. desperately trying to mimic France but slowly discovering that the
finer things they have to offer are over rated and produced by rednecks or
queers! :-)

CM-

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Aren't the french about 10 steps down the ladder from rednecks and
queers?

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Aren't the french about 10 steps down the ladder from rednecks and
queers?

That depends Joe... are you talking about French Rednecks & Queers?

CM

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com..
..
Aren't the french about 10 steps down the ladder from
rednecks and
queers?


Not in Canada. Canadians adore and emulate the french.

SV

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:48:45 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:


"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
m...
In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

AND, we could take over the vinyards and wineries and make lots of
money.

Not if you run them like you do in the USA, you wouldn't.

You're going to have to explain that. The USA certainly appears quite
successful in the wine business of late. I haven't seen figures, but I'm
guessing we are among the top five wine producers in the world. And some
of
it is very damn good.

Max

And most of it is very very average!
Is Zinfandel (shudder) still the biggest seller ?

I don't track such numbers, but I'm guessing that cabernet and chardonnay
are still the top sellers. Personally I prefer drier wines, such as
sauvignon blancs and pinot grigio. As for being average, I doubt if
California cabs are any more "average" than the same wines from Oz. I've
had superb cabs from both Oz and CA, and I've had some real **** from both
as well. That's hardly a scientific study, but your hyperbole is probably
quite inaccurate as well.

Max

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I take it you don't get "The Trailer Park Boys" down your way

CM

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com..
.
Aren't the french about 10 steps down the ladder from
rednecks and
queers?


Not in Canada. Canadians adore and emulate the french.

SV

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:6952g.4193$fL.491@edtnps90...

"Maxprop" wrote in message

You're going to have to explain that. The USA certainly appears quite
successful in the wine business of late. I haven't seen figures, but I'm
guessing we are among the top five wine producers in the world. And some
of it is very damn good.

Oh Yeah... your "Thunderbird" is famous! Nevermind your well known
"Strawberry Angel".... Bwahahahahahahahaaa

You'll have to explain those to me, too. Never heard of either.

Oops... I believe I spilled a drop of my Canadian Ice Wine!

Supersweet wine, Mooron? How gay of you.

Kidding aside, does Cana-duh actually make wine? Or were you referring to
Molson Ice?

Max

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

OzOne wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:57:34 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:

AND, we could take over the vinyards and wineries and make lots of
money.

Max

Just don't try growing grapes.
Growers are in deep atm as exports have peaked and wineries are
slowing production.

Hmmm. Haven't heard any of that. I know imported wines are taking a big
bite out of the US market, but then the really good US wines are all
overpriced, if excellent. But I'd assumed the US was still one of the
larger producers. Do you have figures?

Australia:


0Article222005?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno =1301.0&issue=2005&num
=&view=

USA:

http://www.wineinstitute.org/communi.../exports03.htm

You guys are almost an order of magnitude larger, on these figures.
Interesting. Given our lower production costs & quality advantages at
those price points, there should be plenty of room for Aussie exports
to grow.

I'll have to take your word for it, as the Aussie site didn't come up.

Chest-thumping for national pride in winemaking is insipid, despite Oz's
(the ASA version) tendency to knock anything US. Both countries make some
of the world's best wines--a person would be positively stupid to avoid one
or the other country's wines simply due to prejudice. Ozzy needs to gain
some perspective.

That said, I agree that Australia will only increase its exports of wine.
The wineries there are where US wineries were 25 years ago in that some of
the best ones are still so small and limited in production as to be
overwhelmed by market demand. Wine makers tend to resist growth and
expansion, fearing a loss of quality or exclusivity, but many have been able
to increase their output manifold without degrading their products.
Australia will do so as well, and of course some wineries will remain tiny
with demand for their wines outstripping their ability to produce.
California and Washington are full of such small wineries, and will be
virtually forever.

Max

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message

You guys are almost an order of magnitude larger, on these figures.
Interesting. Given our lower production costs & quality advantages at
those price points, there should be plenty of room for Aussie exports
to grow.

Don't hold your breath ... Max is part of the "New World French"... Snobs
of America. desperately trying to mimic France but slowly discovering that
the finer things they have to offer are over rated and produced by
rednecks or queers! :-)

That made me laugh out loud, coming from a Cannuck, where wine is Mad Dog
20/20 and women are either 300lb. whores or hockey players. Or both.

Max

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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Aren't the french about 10 steps down the ladder from rednecks and
queers?

On a good day.

Max

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Aren't the french about 10 steps down the ladder from rednecks and
queers?

That depends Joe... are you talking about French Rednecks & Queers?

Really? You got both up there in Quebec?

Max

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"Maxprop" wrote in message

Really? You got both up there in Quebec?

Most Certainly...

CM

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"Maxprop" wrote in message

Kidding aside, does Cana-duh actually make wine? Or were you referring to
Molson Ice?

How quaint.... a question regarding wine from an inhabitant of a nation
that has yet to perfect making beer.

Yes Max... we can offer you a wide variety of Canadian wine... ranging from
some fine affordable porch climber..... to ice wine which you can't really
afford.

CM-

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message

Lisa Vernon is a Cannuck?

Close!... she's a Saint!!

She has to be.... to put up with Scotty! :-)

CM

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"Maxprop" wrote in message

That made me laugh out loud, coming from a Cannuck, where wine is Mad Dog
20/20 and women are either 300lb. whores or hockey players. Or both.

But I'm not just any Cannuck..... I'm Belgian and have lineage and good
breeding as well as refined tastes. Which unlike the USA... does not mean
inbred, uneducated and willing to measure a wine's age by the week and a
beer's quality by the volume sold.

CM

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com..
.
Aren't the french about 10 steps down the ladder from
rednecks and
queers?


Not in Canada. Canadians adore and emulate the french.

Half of them ARE French.

Max

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message

Kidding aside, does Cana-duh actually make wine? Or were you referring
to Molson Ice?

How quaint.... a question regarding wine from an inhabitant of a nation
that has yet to perfect making beer.

LOL. We both know that nothing, absolutely nothing made with malt in
Canaduh comes even remotely close to the beer we make here. Our
microbrewers have raised the bar so far above your horse urine as to be in a
different world altogther.

Yes Max... we can offer you a wide variety of Canadian wine... ranging
from
some fine affordable porch climber..... to ice wine which you can't
really afford.

Bwwaaaahahahahahahahahaha! Canadian wine--an oxymoron if I ever heard one.
You have neither the climate nor the soil for making anything better than
Boone's Farm apple wine.

Max

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message

That made me laugh out loud, coming from a Cannuck, where wine is Mad Dog
20/20 and women are either 300lb. whores or hockey players. Or both.

But I'm not just any Cannuck..... I'm Belgian

We have lots of Belgians here. They are all palominos, and pull a wagon
better than just about anything. Your relatives?

and have lineage and good breeding as well as refined tastes.

So you can whinny and you like quality oats.

Which unlike the USA... does not mean inbred, uneducated and willing to
measure a wine's age by the week and a beer's quality by the volume sold.

A case of Caymus Special Selection cab--can't recall the year, but it was
from the Seventies--sold at auction a while back for over $20K. That's
probably more than the entire production of Canadian "wine" for the decade.

Max

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...


Aren't the french about 10 steps down the ladder from rednecks and
queers?

Really? You got both up there in Quebec?

Most Certainly...

You must be so proud.

Max

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message

That made me laugh out loud, coming from a Cannuck, where wine is Mad Dog
20/20 and women are either 300lb. whores or hockey players. Or both.

But I'm not just any Cannuck..... I'm Belgian and have lineage and good
breeding as well as refined tastes. Which unlike the USA... does not mean
inbred, uneducated and willing to measure a wine's age by the week and a
beer's quality by the volume sold.

CM

Coors bought Molson -ahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!

Coors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aaahaaahahahahahahahahahahaaaahahahahahahaaaa!!!!

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Bob Crantz wrote:
"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:fdf2g.5317$Fd6.2536@edtnps82...
"Maxprop" wrote in message

That made me laugh out loud, coming from a Cannuck, where wine is Mad Dog
20/20 and women are either 300lb. whores or hockey players. Or both.
But I'm not just any Cannuck..... I'm Belgian and have lineage and good
breeding as well as refined tastes. Which unlike the USA... does not mean
inbred, uneducated and willing to measure a wine's age by the week and a
beer's quality by the volume sold.

CM

Coors bought Molson -ahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!

Coors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aaahaaahahahahahahahahahahaaaahahahahahahaaaa!!!!


...and a large percentage of Canadians drink wine out of cardboard
boxes...and sniff the little tear-off thingy over the spigot
guard...(at least, that's what they do in Ontario...maybe N.S. is
rarified....)

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OzOne wrote in message
...
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:48:45 GMT, "Maxprop"


And most of it is very very average!
Is Zinfandel (shudder) still the biggest seller ?


You don't like White Zinfandel?

SV

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"Scotty" wrote in message

BTW, after Aug., there will be a Cannuck Mrs. Vernon.

Excellent... you're half way to be able to immigrate to Canada!!!

CM

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

Coors bought Molson -ahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!

Coors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aaahaaahahahahahahahahahahaaaahahahahahahaaaa!!!!

It's a desperate act from a desperate company attempting to find out the
secret of beer making.

CM