Time to just pull out of Iraq.

The terrorists won't ever win. Their philosophy is morally bankrupt.

America bailed on Communism in Cuba, North Korea, VietNam, and bailed in
Somalia, Haiti, plus dozens of other places and they all failed eventually.

Evil only exists because immoral American politicians support it. Without
support, evil collapses upon itself.

The Republicans are lying swindlers, big spenders and on a religious war.
Let's stop supporting that evil too.

Amen!

Amen to that with you Bob!

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The Republicans are lying swindlers, big spenders and on a religious
war.
Let's stop supporting that evil too.


Sad to say that it's not just republicans. All of the assholes who
voted Bush in are also supporting this evil mess. Some moron's still
won't accept they were lied to. Look at poor Scotty. He's perfectly
happy with this clown as president. Amazing.

RB
35s5
NY

A vietnam vet said it best.

" I have no regrets concerning our involvement in Iraq.
I would rather, MUCH rather, get the terrorists in thier own
neighborhoods
than coming through my kitchen door.

I don't think the media is doing a good job of telling us what is
really
happening in Iraq. They show us a crowd of a 100 people that are ****ed

about something, but they never show us the 900 people that are tickled
to
death that we have set them free. I don't think that we should be there
any
longer than needed, but "longer than needed" is a rather subjective
term.
How long should it take to "impose" freedom on a suppressed population?
Do
we really "impose" freedom, or do we stay long enough to help the
freedom to
take root? Should we help freedom to take root, or should we flee at
the
first sign of opposition? Should we protect ourselves and spread
freedom
around the globe, or should we allow tyrannical dictators to rule with
fear
and oppression?


Should we sit silently when we are outragiously attacked, or should we
stand
up for our own rights and way of life? If you think that your way of
life is
not worth standing up for, then maybe you should move to another
country.
Personally, I am going to defend my way of life, even if that means
that I
will be sending my own kids and my neighbor's kids into the line of
fire. I
have stood in that line, so I know what I am talking about. My leaders
are
doing the right thing, despite what the naysayers have to say."

Amen

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

A vietnam vet said it best.

" I have no regrets concerning our involvement in Iraq.
I would rather, MUCH rather, get the terrorists in thier own
neighborhoods
than coming through my kitchen door.

Then why stop at Iraq?





I don't think the media is doing a good job of telling us what is
really
happening in Iraq. They show us a crowd of a 100 people that are ****ed

about something, but they never show us the 900 people that are tickled
to
death that we have set them free.

What does this have to do with terrorism?

If 90% are free, job done - let's leave.



I don't think that we should be there
any
longer than needed, but "longer than needed" is a rather subjective
term.

So is terrorist.

How long should it take to "impose" freedom on a suppressed population?

Force them to be free!


Do
we really "impose" freedom, or do we stay long enough to help the
freedom to
take root?

At least 2 generations then.


Should we help freedom to take root, or should we flee at
the
first sign of opposition?

Bay of Pigs? Or should we get lots of our guys killed and then flee?


Should we protect ourselves and spread
freedom
around the globe, or should we allow tyrannical dictators to rule with
fear
and oppression?

Our elected leaders rule with fear and oppression.

Korea has a tyrant that has threatened to nuke the US. Why don't we attack?

We've been in Korea for almost 55 years. How long will we be in Iraq?




Should we sit silently when we are outragiously attacked, or should we
stand
up for our own rights and way of life?


Enforce the Constitution!



If you think that your way of
life is
not worth standing up for, then maybe you should move to another
country.
Personally, I am going to defend my way of life,

Even if it means dumping Bush?


even if that means
that I
will be sending my own kids and my neighbor's kids into the line of
fire.

Do the kids have a choice? Or are they forced to go?

I
have stood in that line, so I know what I am talking about. My leaders
are
doing the right thing,

Bush Bush or Cheney has not stood in that line, so by inference they don't
know what they're talking about.
Those protesting Generals stood in that line for decades, they must know
what they're talking about!


despite what the naysayers have to say."

despite: in spite of, with malice towards.

An appeal to pity, emotion, authority and full of illogical platitudes. All
the justification we need to spend big, invade and kill!

Lloyd




Amen

Joe

"Joe" wrote...

A vietnam vet said it best.

He's a victim of Bush's propaganda.

" I have no regrets concerning our involvement in Iraq.
I would rather, MUCH rather, get the terrorists in thier own
neighborhoods than coming through my kitchen door.

Saddam had zip to do with 9/11. In fact he was the strongest bulwark against
the jahidists who did in the middle east. Toppling him is the equivalent of
having suddenly attacked Stalin whilst trying to get ready for the Normandy
invasion in WW2. Fact is we did the real anti-US terrorists a big favor by
invading Iraq.

I don't think the media is doing a good job of telling us what is really
happening in Iraq. They show us a crowd of a 100 people that are ****ed
about something, but they never show us the 900 people that are tickled to
death that we have set them free.....

Sure, free to join Iran and other radical Shiite radicals in their drive to
impose a Taliban-like government on the world.


How long should it take to "impose" freedom on a suppressed population?

Please understand that these people dispise what we call "freedom". They don't
want it and they don't want anybody else to have it. They believe Allah made
the law (Sharia) and the government should enforce it.

Should we help freedom to take root, ....

We would have to utterly destroy Islam to do that because Islam is the very
opposite of freedom. Muslims don't believe in free choice, they believe that
everybody must be governed by Islamic law.


Should we sit silently when we are outragiously attacked,

No! But we should punish the ones who attacked us, not Saddam! Guess what - bin
Ladin and company are still free and planning their next attacks! Why? Because
Blundering Bush diverted our military and intel resources to attack his personal
enemy and to find non-existant WMDs to justify his blunder. Worse yet, he
didn't provide enough troops to secure Saddam's weapons dumps so, in effect, he
handed them over to the real enemy - the enemy that perp'd 9/11 - and that enemy
is using those weapons to kill our kids right now.

Jeeze, what if some American had supplied Ho Chi Min with tons and tons of
weapons and explosives that Ho subsequently used to kill 1000s of Americans -
would you call that man a traitor?? I would. And yet that is exactly what Bush
has done regarding the terrorists who perpetrated 9/11 and more. He toppled the
3rd biggest army in the world and left all its material to be picked up by these
terrorists and used to kill our sons and daughters. Hanoi Jane did nothing that
bad yet many Americans, including me, deem her a traitor.

should we stand up for our own rights and way of life?

How did toppling Saddam do that? How did handing Saddam's military equipment to
al Qaida do that? How is turning Iraq into another Iran doing that??

Personally, I am going to defend my way of life, even if that means
that I will be sending my own kids and my neighbor's kids into the line of
fire.

Then you should be doing your best to remove Bush from office then try him for
treason - and to bring our military and intel resources to bear on the jahidists
who perp'd 9/11 and are our real enemies!!

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
Time to just pull out of Iraq.

The terrorists won't ever win. Their philosophy is morally bankrupt.

America bailed on Communism in Cuba, North Korea, VietNam, and bailed in
Somalia, Haiti, plus dozens of other places and they all failed eventually.

Really?? Last I looked, the commies were doing just fine in Cuba, North Korea
and Vietnam. The people weren't but the commies were fat. Moreover, the Taliban
was had a strangle hold on Afghanistan til we came along and the ayatollahs are
still running Iran. Worse, Iran and N. Korea are building atomics.

Evil only exists because immoral American politicians support it. Without
support, evil collapses upon itself.

Depends on what you call evil. IMHO killing women for being literate is evil
but Muslim regimes flourish.

The Republicans are lying swindlers, big spenders and on a religious war.
Let's stop supporting that evil too.

Amen indeed! But the SOBs have already opened Pandora's box when they toppled
Saddam and began turning Iraq into a clone of Iran - possibly the greatest
blunder in 500 years. What would you suggest we do about that??

"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
Time to just pull out of Iraq.

The terrorists won't ever win. Their philosophy is morally bankrupt.

America bailed on Communism in Cuba, North Korea, VietNam, and bailed in
Somalia, Haiti, plus dozens of other places and they all failed
eventually.

Really?? Last I looked, the commies were doing just fine in Cuba, North
Korea
and Vietnam. The people weren't but the commies were fat. Moreover, the
Taliban
was had a strangle hold on Afghanistan til we came along and the
ayatollahs are
still running Iran. Worse, Iran and N. Korea are building atomics.

Communism is in its death throws. Today, it only exists within the
Democratic Party.




Evil only exists because immoral American politicians support it. Without
support, evil collapses upon itself.

Depends on what you call evil. IMHO killing women for being literate is
evil
but Muslim regimes flourish.

Good and evil are absolute. There's no "depends on".




The Republicans are lying swindlers, big spenders and on a religious war.
Let's stop supporting that evil too.

Amen indeed! But the SOBs have already opened Pandora's box when they
toppled
Saddam and began turning Iraq into a clone of Iran - possibly the greatest
blunder in 500 years. What would you suggest we do about that??

Punish the Republicans. Vote third party or keep writing in Barry Goldwater.

Idiot Bush has finally gotten a clue about the borders and illegals. Token
action, too late.

Write your representatives and tell them to make America a Goldwater Utopia.

Amen!

Bob Crantz wrote:


Really?? Last I looked, the commies were doing just fine in Cuba, North
Korea
and Vietnam. The people weren't but the commies were fat. Moreover, the
Taliban
was had a strangle hold on Afghanistan til we came along and the
ayatollahs are
still running Iran. Worse, Iran and N. Korea are building atomics.

Communism is in its death throws. Today, it only exists within the
Democratic Party.

You seem to have forgotten about Canada, the Great Pink North!

Cheers
Marty

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Bob Crantz wrote:


Really?? Last I looked, the commies were doing just fine in Cuba,
North
Korea
and Vietnam. The people weren't but the commies were fat. Moreover,
the
Taliban
was had a strangle hold on Afghanistan til we came along and the
ayatollahs are
still running Iran. Worse, Iran and N. Korea are building atomics.

Communism is in its death throws. Today, it only exists within the
Democratic Party.

You seem to have forgotten about Canada, the Great Pink North!

They have their "depends on".